Friday 2009-11-20 Screenshots Update discussion thread

[Oleg Maddox]

Originally Posted by Mysticpuma

Hopefully Oleg will read this post and skip past the COMPLETELY OFF TOPIC RoF discussion!!

Oleg, the engine you are using for the new Sim, looks like it is made for detail and will (I guess) initially be a challenge for some computers, as Il2 was (and to an extent still can be).

Would you please consider adding a pilot's body for the internal cockpit view for a few immersion reasons.

Firstly it would be great to look down and see a body in the cockpit as you fly rather than just a Ghost flying the interior view.

Secondly rather than clicking on the map button and bringing up the mini view, the player could look to the left or right hip and click the button and the pilots hand would then take a map out, this would allow the head to turn in the cockpit, without the view being blocked by the map overlay but the pilot could glance at the map. A (moving) pencil drawing of the aircraft could show the current position?

Thirdly it could be used to add a completely new immersion experience with body specific injury affecting flight.

Instead of the current aircraft damage affecting flight and the pilots view, when injured, steadily getting redder, why not have a five-point injury mark on the body (invisible to the player....but I'll explain). The body has a damage mark added to the legs, arms and chest and maybe a sixth for the head.

While flying a bullet from an enemy aircraft hits the pilots body (which we can now see if this is included) in the cockpit.

Suddenly it's hard to turn the aircraft left. The Rudder isn't damaged, but looking down you see blood on the leg which is causing the pilot to be hindered in his operation of the aircraft. Similar could be done for the arms, and the chest could mean a steady greying/blacking or redding out?

The pilot has an emergency button which brings out a small medical kit which takes 30-seconds to apply, in which time the pilot is trying to fly and apply a life-saving medical kit. It's immersive!

Lastly, if an injury point was added to the head, as long as the hit wasn't fatal, it would look good to have blood trickling down the screen and the pilots hand wiping it away, but the screen gets smeared, making visibility more difficult, which it would be if you were injured?

After the above, I hope you see why I request that a pilots body be added to the cockpit as it would add so much more scope to the simulation scenario?

Looking forward to seeing the Sim one-day, cheers, MP.

We will have minimal animations. No blood.

[Oleg Maddox]

Originally Posted by major_setback

Hi Oleg.

Thanks for all your hard work, and for taking the time to come here! I'm happy to see things start to fall into place now.

It's nice to see that the trees have shadows

I'd like to ask about the user tools that will be released after SoW:BoB:
Would it be possible for those people with modding experience to move parts of the IL2 aircraft into the SoW series? For example - would it be possilble to use the Gladiator cockpit from IL2, or even to import a whole aircraft like the Ju52?
I know that some elements wouldn't work properly (for example cockpits are not 3D), but I just wonder if the game engines are similar enough to allow for this, or is it impossible?

If to rework the model to the SOW standards - Possible. Completely is not possible direct import.

[Oleg Maddox]

Originally Posted by Insuber

Hi Oleg,

Glad to see you here. I had a question, which will be the size of the map of BoB ? Will it include Wales and Scotland, to play the Luftwaffe attacks from Norway ? And on German side, Northbound will it include Belgium, Holland and maybe the Norway bases ? And maybe Paris, Bordeaux ...

Thanks,
Insuber

PS: Did I say you that I like your work ?

Belgium - yes.

[Talisman]

Oleg,

With regards to the aircraft damage and cockpit pilot posts above. Please, no damage visual aids and please, please and please again, no dummy pilot in the cockpit!

I would like to see and use the cockpit without a dummy pilot getting in the way. This is a flight sim, not a cartoon game. I can't believe some of the stuff people are asking for. Good luck.

Happy landings,

Talisman

[Lucas_From_Hell]

Originally Posted by Talisman

I would like to see and use the cockpit without a dummy pilot getting in the way. This is a flight sim, not a cartoon game.

For some reason, all the times I got into a cockpit I could see myself, my legs and my arms and etc. I guess I'm living in a cartoon, then?

Maybe this could be done as in DCS, where this is optional - want pilot? Shift+P and you have a completely moving pilot. Don't want a pilot? Shift+P again, and you don't have a pilot.

It would be nice to see the pilot moving all around, instead of that ghost and empty cockpit. Imagine that cockpit, with those shadows, and with a animated pilot moving the controls around! That would be awesome. As MP said, it adds to immersion.

[zaelu]

Originally Posted by Talisman

Oleg,

With regards to the aircraft damage and cockpit pilot posts above. Please, no damage visual aids and please, please and please again, no dummy pilot in the cockpit!

I would like to see and use the cockpit without a dummy pilot getting in the way. This is a flight sim, not a cartoon game. I can't believe some of the stuff people are asking for. Good luck.

Happy landings,

Talisman

I am sure it will be toggle-able and with possibility to set a default state (on or off) so people that want to see the cockpit empty can do so... like DCS Black Shark has. Or you just wish to interdict something other people might like?

As for gore effects. Activable from hidden setting like current IL-2 would be good enough. In some places people know that war without blood is just a myth .

More options is always better than less, of course, if is not hindering the development and the release.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Talisman

Oleg,

With regards to the aircraft damage and cockpit pilot posts above. Please, no damage visual aids and please, please and please again, no dummy pilot in the cockpit!

I would like to see and use the cockpit without a dummy pilot getting in the way. This is a flight sim, not a cartoon game. I can't believe some of the stuff people are asking for. Good luck.

Happy landings,

Talisman

I have to agree here... I think it is kind of hokey myself....

[SlipBall]

Originally Posted by Talisman
Oleg,

With regards to the aircraft damage and cockpit pilot posts above. Please, no damage visual aids and please, please and please again, no dummy pilot in the cockpit!

I would like to see and use the cockpit without a dummy pilot getting in the way. This is a flight sim, not a cartoon game. I can't believe some of the stuff people are asking for. Good luck.

Happy landings,

Talisman

Originally Posted by Bearcat

I have to agree here... I think it is kind of hokey myself....

Yep hokey to me aswell

[Kurfürst]

Just one quickie :

It would be nice if some reflections, sun shining on the plexiglass would be present. The shadows on the instruments are nice, but the plexiglass somehow lacks life-likeness... its like in Il-2 completely transparent.

If possible, some distortion of objects where the glass curves would be nice... it would make the feeling of the aircrafts motion far more believable!

Third, the weathering/aging of the cockpit instruments and the cockpit in general is nice, but it would be great if not only the external view would show such an effect, but also the the cockpit instruments... all the screenshots I've seen show only greatly used cockpits, where the paint is chipped etc.. in reality, many of these planes were practically brand new, fresh from the factory, and lifespan at the frontline for aircraft was only a couple of dozen hours.. they simply did not have time to age so much. So greatly weathered cocpits looks a bit unrealistic, and it would be possibly better if the instruments would weather only gradually to brand new to used one... I take this is simply solved by gradually overlaying brand new/used textures?

[philip.ed]

Originally Posted by Kurfürst

Just one quickie :

It would be nice if some reflections, sun shining on the plexiglass would be present. The shadows on the instruments are nice, but the plexiglass somehow lacks life-likeness... its like in Il-2 completely transparent.

If possible, some distortion of objects where the glass curves would be nice... it would make the feeling of the aircrafts motion far more believable!

Third, the weathering/aging of the cockpit instruments and the cockpit in general is nice, but it would be great if not only the external view would show such an effect, but also the the cockpit instruments... all the screenshots I've seen show only greatly used cockpits, where the paint is chipped etc.. in reality, many of these planes were practically brand new, fresh from the factory, and lifespan at the frontline for aircraft was only a couple of dozen hours.. they simply did not have time to age so much. So greatly weathered cocpits looks a bit unrealistic, and it would be possibly better if the instruments would weather only gradually to brand new to used one... I take this is simply solved by gradually overlaying brand new/used textures?

To an extent I agree, but I think the modelling of the canopies already looks good from these pics IMHO. If you look at the internal shots, you can see the tinted reflection from the gunsight. Now that is a nice feature!