Friday 2009-11-13 Screenshots AND Discussion Thread

[mazex]

Originally Posted by =KAG=Bersrk

Mazex - there were much more hard-used aircrafts during BoB, wich will NOT be in relise...

For example Bf110C-2 and Bf110D-0/3.

But the C4 will be there (?) so there will be one flyable 110 at least. For me the "must haves" for a BoB game is really spits and hurricanes vs the three main german bombers (111,88,17) and the 109 and 110 trying to protect them. The rest is nice to haves...

Then I am really pleased that most of these are flyable, so I'm really just complaining cause I'm spoiled by the overwhelming number of flyables in IL2... With the cockpit detail of SoW we really only deserve the spit for the lousy $39 we will pay for it.

Side note - while googling a bit about the 110 as you mentioned the versions you would like instead of the C4 if found this interesting fact:

"The Luftwaffe had embarked on the battle with 237 serviceable Bf 110s. 223 were lost in the course of it".

Talk about loss ratio!

/Mazex

[sport02]

I suppose Do 17 will coming in a few time after release

[Lucas_From_Hell]

Mazex, we're all spoiled by IL-2

These planes look great! I can already see I'll have a good time flying with the G.50. And that Heinkel - amazing!! I'll be sure to take my time testing it's damage model under .303 fire. C'mon, it isn't my evil geniuous talking here, it's a scientific report on the resistance of the materials used in an aircraft! Science, not just a cheap excuse to blow things up (it's a bit comparable to the way the Mythbusters do it).

I have a silly question related to languages: will users be able to choose between the languages?

[Skoshi Tiger]

Originally Posted by mazex

But the C4 will be there (?) so there will be one flyable 110 at least. For me the "must haves" for a BoB game is really spits and hurricanes vs the three main german bombers (111,88,17) and the 109 and 110 trying to protect them. The rest is nice to haves...

But don't we need a Ju-87 for the early channel convoy phase of the BoB?

It must have been a fairly hard call by the developers.

Originally Posted by mazex

Then I am really pleased that most of these are flyable, so I'm really just complaining cause I'm spoiled by the overwhelming number of flyables in IL2... With the cockpit detail of SoW we really only deserve the spit for the lousy $39 we will pay for it.

Ungreatful bunch aren't we!

Originally Posted by mazex

Side note - while googling a bit about the 110 as you mentioned the versions you would like instead of the C4 if found this interesting fact:

"The Luftwaffe had embarked on the battle with 237 serviceable Bf 110s. 223 were lost in the course of it".

Talk about loss ratio!

/Mazex

It would have taken a brave man to get into the cockpit back in those days. I wonder how many replacement/renforcement 110 arived for the LW?

[=KAG=Bersrk]

Originally Posted by mazex

"The Luftwaffe had embarked on the battle with 237 serviceable Bf 110s. 223 were lost in the course of it".

Talk about loss ratio!

/Mazex

Hahaha ok lets talk about it.

When finally comparing the scores by Bf 109 and Bf 110 units as mentioned above with the estimated true losses by each side for the period July-October 1940 it turns out that in approximate figures the authentic victories versus actual air battle losses where:

Spitfire 550 victories to 329 losses – a ratio of 1,7:1
Hurricane 750 victories to 603 losses – a ratio of 1,2:1
Bf 109 780 victories to 534 losses – a ratio of 1,5:1
Bf 110 340 victories to 196 losses – a ratio of 1,7:1

In October the Bf 110 units even had a ratio of 3:1 while the Bf 109 units dropped to 1,4:1.

Bf110 C-1 - 195 aircrafts built,
Bf110 C-2 - 359 aircrafts built,
Bf110 C-4 - 155 aircrafts built,
Bf110 C-5 - 100 aircrafts built,
Bf110 C-6 - 12 aircrafts built,
Bf110 C-7 - 39 aircrafts built,

Bf110 D-0 - 83 aircrafts built,.
Bf110 D-0/D-1 - 21 aircrafts built,
Bf110 D-0/D-3 - 12 aircrafts built,
Bf110 D-0/D-4 - 6 aircrafts built,
Bf110 D-2 - 73 aircrafts built,
Bf110 D-3 - 254 aircrafts built,

P.S. Tell me please, what Geschwader of Luftwaffe was the first who got 500 air-to-air victories, and when it happened?

[mazex]

Originally Posted by =KAG=Bersrk

Hahaha ok lets talk about it.



Bf110 C-1 - 195 aircrafts built,
Bf110 C-2 - 359 aircrafts built,
Bf110 C-4 - 155 aircrafts built,
Bf110 C-5 - 100 aircrafts built,
Bf110 C-6 - 12 aircrafts built,
Bf110 C-7 - 39 aircrafts built,

Bf110 D-0 - 83 aircrafts built,.
Bf110 D-0/D-1 - 21 aircrafts built,
Bf110 D-0/D-3 - 12 aircrafts built,
Bf110 D-0/D-4 - 6 aircrafts built,
Bf110 D-2 - 73 aircrafts built,
Bf110 D-3 - 254 aircrafts built,

P.S. Tell me please, what Geschwader of Luftwaffe was the first who got 500 air-to-air victories, and when it happened?

Well, looking at your sig I guess it was ZG 76... But where where they when JG54 passed 9000 kills? Or when JG52 passed 10000

But it is an interesting fact that the 110 actually did not have that bad K/D ratio (when I talked ratio it was more from the number deployed/number destroyed). But if the cautious 110:s where in a defensive circle or high above and the the Heinkels continued their bombing approach defended on close range by the 109:s - who should the RAF pilots focus on? Then a 110 could dive down to get a kill but it did not really affect the battle in the same way as the 109:s... Just guessing.

[Romanator21]

With regards to Italian aircraft, although they were rare in the battle, when someone is in the store casually browsing through the game section, they see a nice Battle of Britain packaging, with a couple Italian planes on the back. That someone's eyes are going to go wide, because they never imagined Italy had any part in that battle at all, and the sheer curiosity will tip them off the fence into buying it.

I think that within a year we will get our Do-17s, Defiants, Bf-110 variants, etc. So have no fear:

[mazex]

Originally Posted by Romanator21

With regards to Italian aircraft, although they were rare in the battle, when someone is in the store casually browsing through the game section, they see a nice Battle of Britain packaging, with a couple Italian planes on the back. That someone's eyes are going to go wide, because they never imagined Italy had any part in that battle at all, and the sheer curiosity will tip them off the fence into buying it.

He he, maybe - but a person who gets a kick from seeing Italian planes present in a BoB simulator will buy it anyway, and he's probably already here on the forum

[HFC_Dolphin]

BTW, in Foo'bar's page, we can see additional 3 pictures, taken from KAG's forum

[Feuerfalke]

Originally Posted by HFC_Dolphin

BTW, in Foo'bar's page, we can see additional 3 pictures, taken from KAG's forum

Nice pictures - can't wait to see the new damage-model in action.