Daidalos Team's Room -QUESTIONS AND REQUESTS ONLY on IL2 Authorized Addons

[fuzzychickens]

Originally Posted by zaelu

This post made me laugh... reminded me of O.J.

So basically it doesn't matter if something is not correct or someone made a typo what matters is how one got the info about it... and if he got the info by some "illegal" or "not so approved" means suddenly that error does not exist or ones point is invalidated. Ha Ha... are you a lawyer also Bulgarian ?


Also about this... "TD knows better etc"... could prove to be like in that saying: the higher you climb... the higher the fall will be. Denying the knowledge of somebody about something based solely on your own a priori knowledge and without actually taking a look at what that one is knowing will byte you back later on.

I'm sorry I have to post this but, I see a lot of bad attitude in your posts and if this is TD point of view, I personally, will not expect anything from further patches... official patches... just so I will not be disappointed .



S!

On that note, let's toss out a huge chunk of human knowledge in medicine - considering a significant portion of the knowledge was gained through less than ethical means throughout human history.

I could go back to the days where the docs says, "let's bleed him, it fixes everything." every time you get sick.

Yea, tossing the baby out with the bathwater is a perfect analogy here - I don't care where the information comes from if it's a FACT.

[Romanator21]

You guys have totally misconstrued what Bulgarian said in that post but ok. Yell at him so more, so we get better patches

But seriously, he said that because the game is hacked it could have negative unforeseen and hidden consequences to the other FMs that this guy is poking around in. Our game may be different from his game, depending on the hack, so what being said about porked FM should be taken with a grain of salt, that's all.

"This is one of the hundred risks that the end user is taking when he chooses to use the broken code,and if this error is present in the P-51 FM,then it might be coming from there. I talk from myself experience in this paragraph."

I'm sure TD will look into it, but they are going to be cautious of using this guy's numbers from a hacked game.

"Anyway,Daidalos Team knows very well what's right and what's not in this game and be sure that we're doing whatever we can to make this game better,and that this report will be checked."

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it doesn't like TD is going to disregard everything, they are looking into it themselves. About right and wrong, maybe this is in regards to hacking only, but let the man enlighten us about what he means before we burn him at the stake.

So again, TD is not throwing anything out, but are going to be cautious about using numbers from a hacked game. Calm down folks.

[Kwiatek]

""Anyway,Daidalos Team knows very well what's right and what's not in this game ...."

I think that im heard something like these before... here in Il2 world. These is really dangerous statment .

What do you think about these knowing better:

These is simple comparsion Bf 109 B-2 ( new one) and I-16 type 5 ( stock one)



I didnt know that I-16 type 5 from 1937 was such good climber but people will learnning day by day.

S!

[FC99]

Originally Posted by Kwiatek

""Anyway,Daidalos Team knows very well what's right and what's not in this game ...."

I think that im heard something like these before... here in Il2 world. These is really dangerous statment .

What do you think about these knowing better:

These is simple comparsion Bf 109 B-2 ( new one) and I-16 type 5 ( stock one)


I didnt know that I-16 type 5 from 1937 was such good climber but people will learnning day by day.

S!

You are really pushing it this time.We have talked through PM and you should know better than this.

You have only demonstrated now that you don't have deeper understanding of how game works and that's exactly what Bulgarian was saying in not so nice way. So what did you accomplished except scoring an own goal?

Looking forward to see your NTRK with stock I-16Type5 climbing as good as your "Il2Compare" graph shows.

BTW never crossed your mind to actually test the plane before making the post? Are you sure that you really know how to extract accurate performance data?

FC

[Kwiatek]

Originally Posted by FC99

You are really pushing it this time.We have talked through PM and you should know better than this.

You have only demonstrated now that you don't have deeper understanding of how game works and that's exactly what Bulgarian was saying in not so nice way. So what did you accomplished except scoring an own goal?

Looking forward to see your NTRK with stock I-16Type5 climbing as good as your "Il2Compare" graph shows.

BTW never crossed your mind to actually test the plane before making the post? Are you sure that you really know how to extract accurate performance data?

FC

I dont want to start flame war here. These was adress for Bulgarian and his great ego.

But if you want i made climb test for I-16 type 5, Crimea Map, 100% fuel, start climbing from sea level at. 220km/h, radiator 6

1 km - 0:50
2 km - 1:36
3 km - 2:23

It is average climb rate ~ 21 m/s

RL climb time I-16 type 5 should be 3400 m in 4:00 minutes so it is average climb rate - 14 m/s. It make some difference.

[FC99]

Originally Posted by Kwiatek

I dont want to start flame war here. These was adress for Bulgarian and his great ego.

But if you want i made climb test for I-16 type 5, Crimea Map, 100% fuel, start climbing from sea level at. 220km/h, radiator 6

1 km - 0:50
2 km - 1:36
3 km - 2:23

It is average climb rate ~ 21 m/s

RL climb time I-16 type 5 should be 3400 m in 4:00 minutes so it is average climb rate - 14 m/s. It make some difference.

In my game I-16Type5 have max. climb rate of 16,5 m/s. IIRC JtD tested it at UBI with similar results, now I'm really curious to know how you made your test.

FC

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Bulgarian

Well,if he's taking unauthorised actions over the FM/DM files of this game,then he should know that it is not very appropriate to come over the official boards of the game developer with this type of information.
Also as such,he should know very well that the P-47 and P-51 are not the only planes who are experiencing flaws in their flight and damage models.
There are German,British,Japanese,Italian,etc planes who have such problems aswell,so this post of his does sound a bit one sided.
Also I'm very sure that Kwiatek knows,that the "hacked" version of the game is coming with unofficially reworked FM/DM's,who differ from the original ones.This is one of the hundred risks that the end user is taking when he chooses to use the broken code,and if this error is present in the P-51 FM,then it might be coming from there./I talk from myself/experience in this paragraph/

Anyway,Daidalos Team knows very well what's right and what's not in this game and be sure that we're doing whatever we can to make this game better,and that this report will be checked.

EDIT:About the "Czech error" thing,I think that it's not good idea to use something that most people will not understand and also which cannot be well translated exactly to the language you're talking.Please take in account that the bigger part of DT are Czech.

I kinda stayed away from this thread ... but I will just add.. Bulgarian I have the utmost respect for what you guys are doing and I look forward to whatever you guys come up with.. and I can't speak on German,Italian,Japanese or British AC much.. because I just don't fly them enough to speak with any kind of for lack of a better term authority.. but the Mustang I have been flying since day one... and I don't know code and I certainly can't do what you guys do.. and I don't know what the modders did exactly to the P-51.. I know what the said actions were but I don't know where to begin on the details.. all I know is that P-51s, at least the new NTs provided by the modders (from my understanding stock FMs haven't not been touched.. and from what I have seen flying them they haven't been) , fly much more stable than the stock ones.. and mind you.. I still cannot yank on the stick.. the elevator authority is still very pronounced, I'll still shed my wings if I try to pull out of a dive too hot and it is still very easy to go into a stall in a heartbeat... but the thing is more stable.. and that makes for more accuracy... You guys will do whatever Oleg wants.. and IMO that is a good thing.. and I will be on whatever you guys do like white on rice .. because IMO it is good stuff, but I really really really hope that one day there comes some kind of meeting of the minds on some of these issues.. FC99 is the same cat that brought us the QMB+.. He has the same integrity, the same work ethic and his love for this sim and his pride in his work has not diminished one bit from when he was doing mod work at that other place just because he is now doing "official" modding( which is all this really is... even when Oleg & 1C were doing it themselves they were modifying the original released code but we call them patches because they are official) ... and I am certain that regardless to whatever disagreements you & DT may have with anyone or any groups that come here from that other side who have NOT joined or been accepted into DT, or the work they may be doing, that your commitment to the sim is just as valid and just as true as FC's is .. I just look forward to all the good work that can come from all this, but I really hope that a lot of good is not tossed out with some of the bad.. because of "differences"..

You guys here are dong great work.... and IMO it will only get better.. but there are some issues... with the stock planes that go beyond mere opinion and I hope that they do get addressed adequately.. In the meantime I'll just keep on flying in what is still IMO regardless to mods, stock, patched , unpatched from IL2 1.0 all the way up to 19464.09m the best WWII Combat Flight Simulator on the retail market to date.. with not even a close second.. I look forward to SoW and all the sim goodness that it will bring.. in the mean time I will be hanging on to every tidbit from here... and the stock sim will always be my starting point .. regardless to what mods I happen to like or dislike.. For me it alwasy starts with the stock sim.. and then will go from there to wherever the goodness takes me.

[MicroWave]

Don't worry Bearcat, personal issues will not alter our commitment to fix proven bugs.
Things that can affect bug fixing are:
1. deadlines
2. orders from Moscow
3. interference with other parts of the code and complexity of the fix (see 1.)

[Romanator21]

I did some testing recently and I found a bug in the J-8: Even though it has a wooden prop, it is possible in game to feather it.

I heard it mentioned that Ki-61 should have fire extinguishers in the fuel tanks.

As far as requests, I have some ideas, but I understand that not everything is possible, so I am not demanding, just asking:

Some AI aircraft like B-25 variants all have similar cockpit and FM. Maybe the stock cockpit could be implemented. This applies to aircraft like other Mosquito variants, Bf-110, He-111Z (for glider towing missions?) P-36, Betty, Gladiator, and others. Also, I have heard that our current I-16 type 24 is actually a 28, and that the 24 had 4 shkas like the 18. Is it a possibility to include one last Polikarpov variant?

Some aircraft could be modified slightly externally, and with Fm. For instance, You are already working in a Bf-110 G-4 which is similar to the G-2. It would be nice to have earlier P-38 variants. There is also a P-38 which has a glass nose and Norden bombsight for high alt. bombing and path finding for B-17s.

It would be nice if cockpits and FM could be made for already included AI aircraft. Ar-169 floatplane comes to mind, as well as the IL-4, SB-2, Su-2, and others. Are you bound by the same restrictions as Oleg was regarding Grumman and their lawsuit about inclusion of their aircraft?

I noticed that the new I-16s can change the gun type in the loadout screen. Is it possible to consolidate the MiGs like this? Right now we have MiGx2 UBs, x2 Shvak, and with normal loadout of 1 ubs and 2 shkas (unless FM is affected of course). Would it also be possible to add loadouts to existing planes: Finnish Fiat G-50 had browning .50 cals rather than Bredas. The Finnish also added Brownings to many other planes that they bought, captured, borrowed.

For winter maps there is a change of skin on some planes from a summer camo to winter camo. Is it possible to do something similar for 109 and other aircraft which had tropical filters?

Some aircraft have fire extinguishers or are able to drop auxiliary gas tanks. The Pzl.11 historically could jettison its main gas tank in an emergency. Would it be possible to model this using fire extinguisher/drop tanks function?

My last request for now, until I think of more () Is it feasible to update existing 3d model, FM or DM of some of the original aircraft in the sim? The MiG is a new plane with the improved skins, but the interior is somewhat basic, as well as the Pzl.11 and some others. Most important is the FM and DM however. The G-50 seems unusually sturdy compared to its contemporaries, while the R-10 has wings that pop off with just a little light MG fire.

[LesniHU]

Originally Posted by Kwiatek

""Anyway,Daidalos Team knows very well what's right and what's not in this game ...."

I think that im heard something like these before... here in Il2 world. These is really dangerous statment .

What do you think about these knowing better:

These is simple comparsion Bf 109 B-2 ( new one) and I-16 type 5 ( stock one)

http://i34.tinypic.com/bfn8gk.jpg

I didnt know that I-16 type 5 from 1937 was such good climber but people will learnning day by day.

S!

Thank you for perfect illustration of Bulgarian's point.

You have used an unsupported function in game code without knowing what it does and what are its limitations to generate completely incorrect data for il2compare. Or maybe someone supplied you these data, then you are going to be blamed for posting them here without any verification. If someone needed an example of what can happen by careless handling of game code, well, here it is.



No one claims DT is perfect because we make mistakes too. But we spend a lot of time to make sure that output is bugfree, well-founded and as good as possible (and I have same attitude to forum posts and expect similar from other posters too. You post it, you are responsible.). Origin of bugreport has no effect on its verification/fixing effort, but I hope everyone understand we always have to make independent evaluation of everything simply because we are responsible for patch content. I hope this clears a bit of the confusion.