P51D v 109K in BoP

[mattmanB182]

Originally Posted by frame313

I've seen claims the Hellcat kill ratio was as high as 19:1.

Does a kill ratio include all kills & losses or just air-to-air?

This is a good point, because the Corsair could easily be death to an inexperienced pilot.

Kind of like how more BF-109's were lost in accidents than in actual combat.

[WANTED]

I thought I remember reading somewhere from actual pilot accounts that the P-51 had a very nasty and sudden stall if airspeed was too low. Seems this is accurate in game if this is true. Basically the pilots said, you just don't even let the P-51 stall or your really risking your life.

btw, I just got this game after playing the demo. Yes I died multiple times on the P51 mission in demo from stalls. I use a Saitek Avi8tr stick.

[fuzzychickens]

Originally Posted by WANTED

I thought I remember reading somewhere from actual pilot accounts that the P-51 had a very nasty and sudden stall if airspeed was too low. Seems this is accurate in game if this is true. Basically the pilots said, you just don't even let the P-51 stall or your really risking your life.

btw, I just got this game after playing the demo. Yes I died multiple times on the P51 mission in demo from stalls. I use a Saitek Avi8tr stick.

True, but the positives aspects on the P-51 are missing in this game. It's top speed is wrong - this is a FACT. It weighs too much - an error that affects it's flight modeling. The p-51 should have great high speed control authority - something the 109 lacked.

But we can't exploit this in game. We can't exploit it with the fw190 either, which should have the same excellent control at high speed.

Both just seem to flop out of the sky as if it were a funny joke to play on players who happen to like those planes.

[Ancient Seraph]

Originally Posted by fuzzychickens

True, but the positives aspects on the P-51 are missing in this game. It's top speed is wrong - this is a FACT. It weighs too much - an error that affects it's flight modeling. The p-51 should have great high speed control authority - something the 109 lacked.

But we can't exploit this in game. We can't exploit it with the fw190 either, which should have the same excellent control at high speed.

Both just seem to flop out of the sky as if it were a funny joke to play on players who happen to like those planes.

As always, will be fixed in the update. Anton just confirmed it'll affect other planes as well, so maybe B&Z will become a possibility. At least more than it is now.

[Voyager]

So, does BoP have RPM control, or is it "auto". Apparently fo the Merlin engined P-51, it is both important and weird:

Abandon all hope, ye who enter here.

[WANTED]

Originally Posted by fuzzychickens

True, but the positives aspects on the P-51 are missing in this game. It's top speed is wrong - this is a FACT. It weighs too much - an error that affects it's flight modeling. The p-51 should have great high speed control authority - something the 109 lacked.

But we can't exploit this in game. We can't exploit it with the fw190 either, which should have the same excellent control at high speed.

Both just seem to flop out of the sky as if it were a funny joke to play on players who happen to like those planes.

Yes when I saw the data about the 109k having much higher top airspeed than the p-51 especially at high alt, I was a bit shocked myself. Still, it sure is nice to see a console serious sim, one that is much more realistic than those other arcady versions ( Blazing Angels, etc). Also it's nice to see one of the developers allowed to converse with you on these issues in the game. That is extremely rare, especially on console games. Well, I will play out the game and hope for the best on a DLC patch in the coming months. Prefereably a free DLC to fix issues