Daidalos Team's Room -QUESTIONS AND REQUESTS ONLY on IL2 Authorized Addons

[Sita]

Originally Posted by uberGeezer

I may be able to fix this "problem". I have been learning how to make models in 3dsMax for a couple of years, and needed a theme for the stuff that I worked on. Because I have always loved the open cockpits and wheelspats of the 1930s, I chose the Japanese-China war because of the many different types of aircraft used. Shots below of WIPs - none are finished, but a few are close to completion. I will add the Ki.21 to my list, but it will be some time before I release anything.

OMG!!!
O_o!!!

[Insuber]

My request regards the Breda SAFAT 12.7 guns; I believe there is a large consensus that they are way too weak. In particular the belting is definitely wrong, as it doesn't include at all the incendiary rounds. The following thread explains the issue.

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=2845

Just a quote from a post of uf_josse:

"... Believe me or not, but i think not the right place to expose code of the game....

But, belting is AP /HET (with explosion radius of 4 cm, instead 15 for the US m.2 with similar power) and APT

No API, no APIT.... era pictures show clearly API and APIT in belt with a more probable belting with API/APIT/HET.... (what i have done).

So, clealy undermodeled..... ".

The belting correction (and the correction of the radius of damage as well) would re-equilibrate the early war scenarios and add more interest to the dogfights.

Thank you,
Insuber

[LesniHU]

Originally Posted by Insuber

My request regards the Breda SAFAT 12.7 guns; I believe there is a large consensus that they are way too weak. In particular the belting is definitely wrong, as it doesn't include at all the incendiary rounds. The following thread explains the issue.

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=2845

Just a quote from a post of uf_josse:

"... Believe me or not, but i think not the right place to expose code of the game....

But, belting is AP /HET (with explosion radius of 4 cm, instead 15 for the US m.2 with similar power) and APT

No API, no APIT.... era pictures show clearly API and APIT in belt with a more probable belting with API/APIT/HET.... (what i have done).

So, clealy undermodeled..... ".

The belting correction (and the correction of the radius of damage as well) would re-equilibrate the early war scenarios and add more interest to the dogfights.

Thank you,
Insuber

Unfortunately uf_josse didn't mention that NO belt in game uses API bullets, game handles fires through other means. Inserting API would make unpredictable effects including but not limited to throwing off relative gun performance and no such change will be done without prior research and correction of all belts in game.

Regarding SAFAT too weak, I think a table in post #5 in thread you linked explains it.

[Insuber]

Originally Posted by LesniHU

Unfortunately uf_josse didn't mention that NO belt in game uses API bullets, game handles fires through other means. Inserting API would make unpredictable effects including but not limited to throwing off relative gun performance and no such change will be done without prior research and correction of all belts in game.

Regarding SAFAT too weak, I think a table in post #5 in thread you linked explains it.

LesniHU,

Thanks for the answer. I understand that there are practical obstacles. And, far from me the idea to start a dispute about that ... But please take the time to read the whole thread mate.
The table explains that SAFATs are weaker, but the ingame guns are way too weak, and this is the opinion of a lot of people. Moreover, regarding the in-game damage radius of 5 cm vs 15 cm of the Brownings ...is it realistic that the Browning is 9 times more effective than the Breda? I don't think so.

Regards,
Insuber

PS: From the same website of the table :
"The Italian Breda-SAFAT was the main weapon of Italian fighters in the early years of the war, and most (CR.42, G.50, Re.2000, and C.200) carried only two. Unfortunately for them, it was not a very good gun. It fired a Vickers 12.7 x 81SR cartridge, the same as adopted by the Japanese Army for the Ho-103, but the Japanese gun was lighter and fired faster. The Breda-SAFAT was reliable and accurate, however, and its ammunition was considered very effective"