I've had it.

[Ancient Seraph]

Originally Posted by xX-SiLeNCE-Xx

I used to have the tipping problem... But I realised what I was doing wrong. I would try to go "force" the back wheels to stay on the ground by using my elevators. That was only making the problem worse, so when I stopped using elevators on landing, and let the plane come down on it's own, it wouldn't tip. Try this and see if it helps.

I think this actually is the problem. People try to force the tail down even when it still has lift. I'm guessing this'll make it bump up, crashing the nose into the ground.

[Tudorp15]

Dunno.. I do force the tail down to shift my center of gravity, but only when my speed is low enough not to create more lift when you change the pitch of the wings.. If you are going too fast when you put the tail down, the change in pitch of the wing will gather more air than when horizontal, and the plane will try to lift off the ground again, causing a stall, then you nose over in a low level stall. So, you MUST be going slow enough to NOT lift the wings when you change the pitch of the plane when you push the tail down...

Originally Posted by Ancient Seraph

I think this actually is the problem. People try to force the tail down even when it still has lift. I'm guessing this'll make it bump up, crashing the nose into the ground.

[FOZ_1983]

Which is why you should let the rear wheel come down on its own and when its ready

[Tudorp15]

Generally, yes, I agree... But, sometimes, as in battle you may be in a hurry to to get landed, and stopped (CTA?) and you want to get the tail down quicker, there is a way to do it safely. but you need to understand the laws of physics, gravity, lift, etc to drastically change protocal, and truly understand how to do something that you wouldn't normally do safely. But, yes, ordinarily, you would let the tail come down on it's own in a casual "civilian" style of landing, hehheh...

Originally Posted by FOZ_1983

Which is why you should let the rear wheel come down on its own and when its ready

[FOZ_1983]

couldnt agree more, but for me..... i use the joystick and without a brake... well landing isnt generally a good idea on CTA, it takes to long to come to a halt so im best dogfighting and defending anyone who is trying to land.

[Tudorp15]

That will work out just fine then.. Watch my back mate?


I might add, a tail dragger, which is used widely on vintage aircraft are much different to land than later Tricycle type of landing gear (with nose gear). Things are backwards from modern aircraft, and have to land one of those much the oposite than with a tail dragger.. There is a different license to fly a tail dragger vs a more modern plane.. Which is why I believe they eventually went to a nose gear set up, because nose plants were fairly common on landings with the tail draggers with an airframe that in allot of cases didn't weigh nearly as much as the engines that powered them, making them nose heavy to begin with when they were not in the air..... Especially in hasty landings ...

Originally Posted by FOZ_1983

couldnt agree more, but for me..... i use the joystick and without a brake... well landing isnt generally a good idea on CTA, it takes to long to come to a halt so im best dogfighting and defending anyone who is trying to land.

[FOZ_1983]

i've always got your 6......


only prob is, your usually on the other team when i have it but by all means if ever your on my team, i'll gladly do what i can to keep them off you while you land

[Wayfindre]

The lift vector of a horizontal stabilizer is down... counter to the lift vector of the wings. Sounds like maybe this specific aircraft design had a tendency to tail stall in ground effect?

I don't know anything about this airraft but what everyone is describing sounds like a tail stall to me.