Interview with Finnish Top Ace Ilmari Juutilainen 94 victories

[Swagger7]

Originally Posted by Soviet Ace

Actually, in the Pacific. The Buffalo did fairly well against the earlier Japanese planes such as the A5M, and others. But the Zero just tore into them as usual, and so the Buffalo was no longer used as a main stream fighter, except. The Marines actually used them at Midway Island, and even though they were all shot down. They did have the success of downing ten or so Zeros before they were all shot down.



Well this, yes your right. Though the Buffalo was heavier than the LaGG-3 (which was the main Russian fighter during the Winter War), the Buffalo could almost out perform the LaGG-3 because of its low powered engine, and the frame being of, how could I put this? Less than reasonable structure (there was a reason they were called the laminated coffins.) they suffered greatly against the Buffalo. It wasn't until the Yak-1 was introduced into the conflict, that the Buffalo's suffered heavy losses and by that time, the war had already been successful on the ground for Russian troops.

And the only difference between a Finnish Buffalo and an American Buffalo, is I believe the engine? Also I think some of the armaments as well?

Actually I just meant a Buffalo in Finnish markings. They were pretty much the same airplane. And I'm pretty sure that the only engagement of Buffaloes vs the Japanese (at least in American hands) was the one at Midway you talked about. So I'm not sure where they could have shot down older Japanese planes, unless someone we exported them to used them against the Japanese?

[FOZ_1983]

The buffalo got about quite a bit the dirty little tart haha

finland used them to great sucess against the dirty ruski's americans used them at midway (not through choice i dont think) the RAF had them in asia and the dutch used the in the easit indies.

they were outclassed though by the zero. That plane was a beast!!! just very easy to go down if taking hits

[mattmanB182]

Wonder what would have happened if a Zero got into the crosshairs of a BF109k-4.?


Here is a Wiki on the Buffalo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brewster_Buffalo

[FOZ_1983]

Originally Posted by mattmanB182

Wonder what would have happened if a Zero got into the crosshairs of a BF109k-4.?


Here is a Wiki on the Buffalo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brewster_Buffalo

Whats the scenario?


head on at the same height? high or low? Does one have height over the over and on his 6?

Whatever the scenario...... i would have to take the zero. It lacks armour but has sufficient guns and can manouvre better than the 109K.

Like i said though..... all depends on the scenario

would be a good fight to see.

[Soviet Ace]

Originally Posted by Swagger7

Actually I just meant a Buffalo in Finnish markings. They were pretty much the same airplane. And I'm pretty sure that the only engagement of Buffaloes vs the Japanese (at least in American hands) was the one at Midway you talked about. So I'm not sure where they could have shot down older Japanese planes, unless someone we exported them to used them against the Japanese?

Like FOZ said, the RAF used them in Asia, as well as the Dutch. And that is where they went up against some A5Ms. Not for long, but they did use them briefly against them.

Originally Posted by FOZ_1983

The buffalo got about quite a bit the dirty little tart haha

finland used them to great sucess against the dirty ruski's americans used them at midway (not through choice i dont think) the RAF had them in asia and the dutch used the in the easit indies.

they were outclassed though by the zero. That plane was a beast!!! just very easy to go down if taking hits

Well all they had at Midway were Buffalos I believe, and like all Marines. They prefer to use the old technology; and somehow they get a better performance out of them.

Originally Posted by FOZ_1983

Whats the scenario?


head on at the same height? high or low? Does one have height over the over and on his 6?

Whatever the scenario...... i would have to take the zero. It lacks armour but has sufficient guns and can manouvre better than the 109K.

Like i said though..... all depends on the scenario

would be a good fight to see.

It also depends on the which Zero your talking about? If your talking about the A6M2 Zero, it would probably have a hard time working against the K4. And if you talking about the M3, you'd also have trouble if you were flying the M3. The M5, is probably the only one capable of doing some hurt on the K4. But probably the best Japanese plane to go against a K4 would be the Ki-61 Tony or the Ki-100 (which is a radial version of the Ki-61 Tony).

And it really does depend on altitude. At low to medium altitude, the Zero or Ki-61/100 would probably own the 109K4, but at higher altitudes the K4 might have a better shot. But actually, the Ki-100 might give the K4 a run for its money since it could match a 109F series in altitude. At least on paper it seems like it could.

[FOZ_1983]

ok lets make it simple for everyone......

two airfields 20 miles apart. At the exact same time from each airfield two fighters take off. One from each.

Airfield A - A6M2 zero fighter
Airfield B - BF109E

Both models are from 1940.

who would win?



you decide.




I think it would be close.

[mattmanB182]

Originally Posted by FOZ_1983

ok lets make it simple for everyone......

two airfields 20 miles apart. At the exact same time from each airfield two fighters take off. One from each.

Airfield A - A6M2 zero fighter
Airfield B - BF109E

Both models are from 1940.

who would win?



you decide.





I think it would be close.

Close? lol Well I guess we should give the Zero a fighting chance.

I think the Zero would score a big "Zero" on this one.

If the Wildcat held its own against the Zero, the 109 would demolish it.

Here is a match up for you: Erich against Sakai. They would probably meet head-on. With Erich knowing he has the edge on firepower and armor. The Zero turns into a fireball and plummets to earth.

Ok OK I MAAAAY be a little biased here.