Ok Im convinced: The IL-2 is WAY too over spec.

[Lexandro]

Hardly. The games Ive played online the BF109 is pretty damn tough and well armoured. The IL's are much much tougher but they are inline with what I would expect them to be, since they were called "the flying tank".

The problem seems to be that people expect them to be easy to kill and crap to fly because they are Russian, but in RL they were actually damn good aircraft and tough as nails to boot. Also people are not attacking them in the correct manner. You should never ever try and sit on an IL's 6, it will get you with its turret (as it should do). BnZ attacks, raking passes at speed, and belly attacks are all effective attacks against them. Hell I can take them out in 2 passes at most on Arcade, where the planes are super tough.

Last night I made a BnZ attack at an IL10 on my first pass I snapped its wing clean off with my Spit. Why? Because while the wings are tough, if you get some cannon shells in the right place it WILL disintegrate the same as any other plane.

[mattmanB182]

Originally Posted by Lexandro

Hardly. The games Ive played online the BF109 is pretty damn tough and well armoured. The IL's are much much tougher but they are inline with what I would expect them to be, since they were called "the flying tank".

The problem seems to be that people expect them to be easy to kill and crap to fly because they are Russian, but in RL they were actually damn good aircraft and tough as nails to boot. Also people are not attacking them in the correct manner. You should never ever try and sit on an IL's 6, it will get you with its turret (as it should do). BnZ attacks, raking passes at speed, and belly attacks are all effective attacks against them. Hell I can take them out in 2 passes at most on Arcade, where the planes are super tough.

Last night I made a BnZ attack at an IL10 on my first pass I snapped its wing clean off with my Spit. Why? Because while the wings are tough, if you get some cannon shells in the right place it WILL disintegrate the same as any other plane.

Perhaps you misred my opening post? Im talking about the IL-2 NOT the IL-10. I am talking about the INVINCIBLE rear gunner on a plane that had NO protection for the rear gunner. You dont believe me...Look it up. And lay off the Kool Aid.

Here is a link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilyushi...e_sacrifice.3F check out the section on the rear gunner.

[Lexandro]

Originally Posted by mattmanB182

Perhaps you misred my opening post? Im talking about the IL-2 NOT the IL-10. I am talking about the INVINCIBLE rear gunner on a plane that had NO protection for the rear gunner. You dont believe me...Look it up. And lay off the Kool Aid.

So? All the IL's are the same to me, damn easy to kill when you use your noodle. I have played plenty of games against players who use the various IL's available. I had a real good game Friday vs 2 IL2/ 1 IL10, with me in the Spit, a friendly in a 109 and the 3rd player in a Hurricane. We won the round with ease, because we didnt get target fixation, attacked each target from multiple angles, and used our brains.

Frankly your manner suggests one of someone who got spanked by a good pilot in a IL2 and you cant take it. Plus wtf are you doing trying to kill the rear gunner? Its 10x harder to kill the pilot/gunner than it is to attack and destroy the aircrafts wings or even its engines.

And I dont need nor want any kind of "cool aid". And to be honest those kinds of moronic internet meme's dont even make me bat an eyelid since Im from the UK and I really dont care.

[gbtstr]

You're from the UK? I'd never have guessed.

[Lexandro]

Originally Posted by gbtstr

You're from the UK? I'd never have guessed.

Was it the Spitfire picture, or was it my well reasoned and contructed argument that gave it away ? lol

[mattmanB182]

Originally Posted by Lexandro

Was it the Spitfire picture, or was it my well reasoned and contructed argument that gave it away ? lol

So just because your from the UK, your opinions are superior to everyone elses? Shows a lot about your character.

[Lexandro]

Originally Posted by mattmanB182

So just because your from the UK, your opinions are superior to everyone elses? Shows a lot about your character.

You sir need to take some stress management classes and get a sense of humour. It was a JOKE, thats why I laughed at the end.

PS; Personal attacks wont get you very far, as you have simply confused me with someone who gives a ****.

[mattmanB182]

It actually says, in the link I posted earlier, that the thickest part of the armor could only withstand DEFLECTING blows from a larger round, not DIRECT impact.

Wouldnt my 109's 20mm be considered large?

Perhaps you are a darn good pilot who knows the perfect angle to take planes out....most are average. It is very tough for the average pilot to take these things out.

And FYI, one of my team mates attacked from the side in his Spit while I came from the rear. IL-2 Did not go down in that sequence.

Just because YOU can take them down with regularity doesnt mean they are not over spec. It is a known fact that they were vulnerable to attack from fighters.