ok... who switched my B-17's armour for papier maché?

[PantherAttack2]

Really?

I've pumped a ton of lead into a B-17 with my Hurricane's 12 machine guns and it wasn't close to falling out of the sky.

[Ancient Seraph]

Can you imagine how many complaints there would be when the B17 was invincible as well?

[P-51]

probably hit your engines! That's how i take them down, that and diving from above in the blind spot

[MorgothNL]

The B-17 can take a lot more punishment then most other bombers in the game (when hitting the same spots on different bombers). But yeah, it could take way more punishment. But I gues that is balancing. I think it is 'ok' like this, it is pretty hard to take down, has a lot of guns,and a huge payload.

Making it even harder to take down would ruin the game by making the B-17 even more overpowered than it allready is. Just this night, I was in a strike game 4 vs 4. They had 2 b-17 and a blenheim (and a fighter). We had 3 A-20G's. our 700 tickets were gone within 5 mins, and they still had 530.

If you would ask me if they should change the B-17, then yes, but for the sake of gameplay I would say it should be nerfed.

[mattd27]

The other day I took down a B-17 with a 109 easily. I was so surprised as I thought it was going to be impossible, but me and another pilot ganged up on him and he never scored the whole flight!

[mdbuehler]

I'd been hearing how tough there were too from a few other threads, and the first time I came across one in Strike I downed it three times that game without too much trouble. Second time out he had a fighter escort, then it got tricky All in all, it didn't seem any harder or easier to shoot down.

[House MD 221B]

The auto-gunners suck, as with all auto-gunning in the game, thats fine, manual guns and they start to be effective, so yes if a couple of people gang up on a B-17 as they SHOULD then yes fair play no problem it should go down unless its a very good gunner or a couple of very bad fighter pilots.

im not saying it should be invincible, but taking out 1 engine doesnt = game over.

yes it is very heavily over-powered compared to ANYTHING else in the game, but maybe if they hadn't screwed over other aircraft as well instead of making quality damage models then it wouldnt be an issue.

and even if they come one at a time, if im lucky i can down 2 before the damage is so severe my elevators become USELESS.

and i know who hit me where, and when, and in what quantities, its not just a good engine shot, its a weak plane.

on the whole its a great plane it looks great it handles like a dream, its just got the tensile strength of freshly used public bathroom toilet paper.

and the gunner positions dont have the mobile range they should have, its laziness and shamefully baring in mind the tenants that they have upheld previously.

Im curious as to what made them slack off on this.

[Xx RTEK xX]

Yeah the damage numbers on this game suck. They really need to go back and fix some things.

Especially that B-17. I put a couple rounds into one online, and it went down.

[Marchochias]

Originally Posted by PantherAttack2

Really?

I've pumped a ton of lead into a B-17 with my Hurricane's 12 machine guns and it wasn't close to falling out of the sky.

To be fair, those Hurricane guns take forever to kill anything. I tried flying perfectly straight and level in Simulator to let a friend of mine try to shoot me down with the machine guns....they took so long that he actually used a rocket instead

[Steyr_amr]

Sort of agree with this, have played games where a single B-17 ended the whole show in minutes. However also remember fighting against a team with 2 fortresses skillfully piloted in the Emil and getting 6 kills on them. I was rather impressed with this (by my own meagre standards), however they still won the game.

Also remember watching guncam footage of a Zerstorer pumping cannon fire into the engine nacelles and wingroots of a B-17 from 6oclock, massive puffs, flashes and even chunks of airfame coming off it and still it plodded along until the 110 had to duck under it to avoid a collision.

Seems as though if they up-gun and up-armour the B-17 they need to reduce it's bombload to maintain balance.

Has anyone been using 262's against them... might be a thought...