The P-51D Conundrum

[SleepTrgt]

pfft, try flying the FW 190 F8

[Soviet Ace]

Originally Posted by SleepTrgt

pfft, try flying the FW 190 F8

That's because the F8 wasn't even a fighter anymore. The A5 is really the beginning of when the 190s became more fighter bombers, than just fighters. I would say the A3 was the last best 190 dogfighter? But that's me.

[SleepTrgt]

Originally Posted by Soviet Ace

That's because the F8 wasn't even a fighter anymore. The A5 is really the beginning of when the 190s became more fighter bombers, than just fighters. I would say the A3 was the last best 190 dogfighter? But that's me.

i know but yet you have to win 20 matches in Dogfight or Team battle, wich truly is a pain, hell even dive bombers have a nice rear gunner.

[manintrees]

If the P-51D was desined for high altitude then I wonder why it's used in a tree top mission.
There is no doubt that it is twitchy in this game but I have still managed to take out a handful of FW-190's and complete the strafing mission.

[MorgothNL]

Originally Posted by manintrees

If the P-51D was desined for high altitude then I wonder why it's used in a tree top mission.
There is no doubt that it is twitchy in this game but I have still managed to take out a handful of FW-190's and complete the strafing mission.

still... it should not fly like it is flying in this game, altitude plays a role, a big one, but the P-51 is just unflyable at ANY altitude in this game.

yes it did shine at high altitude, it was a high alt performer, but is was not a low altitude sucker.

some people keep on defending the performance of the P-51 in this game, by saying 'it was a high alt performer'. but really, it was still 10 times better at low altitude, than the one in the game.

what im saying is: the P-51 was GOOD at low/medium altitudes, it was at least an equal to the 109 in dogfights.
the P-51 DOMINATED the 109 at high altitudes, because it would not lose performance, were the 109 did.

so still at tree top level, you should at least be able to give a 109 a hard time, with the P-51 in this game, you simply CANT.

[Antinko1]

Hmm, well all I know is that the P-51D in IL-2 Forgotten Battles is a pleasure to fly; whereas, this game's version is twitchy to the point of being ridiculous.

I've played a lot with my sensitivity settings too - the thing is just on a hair trigger.

[MorgothNL]

Originally Posted by Antinko1

Hmm, well all I know is that the P-51D in IL-2 Forgotten Battles is a pleasure to fly; whereas, this game's version is twitchy to the point of being ridiculous.

I've played a lot with my sensitivity settings too - the thing is just on a hair trigger.

thats the strange thing . I loved the P-51 in IL-2 FB, I just found its guns a bit underpowered.
I asked about that in the other forum, and the devs said, the flight models are the same ones in Il-2 FB as they are in this game.

but no way that the P-51 is handling the same. I loved it in FB, I hate in in BOP

[rocketassistedllama]

Howdilli...the mustang's my favourite plane [did'nt give a damn about it, 'till this game]-I love the way it handles, and its bite!
I have no trouble shooting down enemy planes using the 360 controller on realistic, although the Mustang has, admittedly; killed me more times than the enemy;0)
It's a big, heavy, hotrod of an escort fighter-with similar flight/handling characteristics to that other great escort fighter; the p-47 [so I'm told.] That sounds about right to me; the size hence weight of these planes were dictated by the amount of fuel they had to carry....add a big 2000hp plus Merlin, and a 4th fuel tank behind the pilot, up high....] I can believe the plane really handled like this.
The secret to turning seems to be; #1;do an immelmann-to twist 180 degrees, and #2;I sort of 'jerk' the plane round, looks like my plane's bunny-hopping....I'm guessing the energy bleeds off it quickly...hence the 'hopping around.' Turning smoothly, just seems to make it stall. Speaking of which; you can tell when you're about to stall-'cause the plane [any plane] feels like it's balanced on the tip of a needle...
Handles much like the Fw.190 d9....

[trk29]

It's good that they are working on this plane, but I have been flying this bird more often now, mostly in training and setting the AI to Veteran I know it's not the same as flying against a human but since I have turned down the sensitivity 3 notches I have only stalled and crashed once out of about ten flights, so I think I am getting the hang of it.

I'll try it more tomorrow on MP.

[fuzzychickens]

Originally Posted by MorgothNL

still... it should not fly like it is flying in this game, altitude plays a role, a big one, but the P-51 is just unflyable at ANY altitude in this game.

yes it did shine at high altitude, it was a high alt performer, but is was not a low altitude sucker.

some people keep on defending the performance of the P-51 in this game, by saying 'it was a high alt performer'. but really, it was still 10 times better at low altitude, than the one in the game.

what im saying is: the P-51 was GOOD at low/medium altitudes, it was at least an equal to the 109 in dogfights.
the P-51 DOMINATED the 109 at high altitudes, because it would not lose performance, were the 109 did.

so still at tree top level, you should at least be able to give a 109 a hard time, with the P-51 in this game, you simply CANT.

It was not the equal of the 109 at low/med altitude given equal pilot skill. Please, that is just myth. It kicks the 109's butt at high alt period and was inferior at low to med with 109 because the 109 could easily outclimb and outturn it at lower levels.

109k4 has about 2000hp with empty weight of around 5300 lbs.

p-51D has about 1700hp with empty weight around 7000 lbs.

So not counting fuel, 109k-4 already has generous hp to weight advantage. Most stats show max climb of K-4 being over 40% better than P-51D max climb.

The math says at altitudes where superchargers are not an issue, the K-4 mops up big time on the P-51D. They are not even close.

Add in the fact that the P-51 uses a laminar flow wing designed to give efficiency at the cost of lift, you also get a plane prone to violent stalls. So you won't be smart fight low and slow against a 109 with decent pilot in a P-51.

P-51 excels at high speed and high altitude. Other than the slight error that the developers say will be fixed regarding weight data, the plane was modeled true base off the pc version.

I played IL2 on PC online many many times and met many many pilots capable of kicking my butt with their p-51s against my 109, they learned how to use the damn plane right. A lot of people playing the console version want the plane to be a mythical version of reality - and want to use the plane in a way it didn't historically excel and still get results.