the best dogfighting this generation?

[Lexandro]

Anton, the steam survey is nowhere near an accurate representation of the average gaming system. Ive had steam for about 5 years and still have never done the survey as have many others on Steam. Also not everyone who games actually has Steam. I know of a several people who simply refuse to use it due to previous issues with the system.

In short its not accurate, and if thats what you are basing your projected sales on, I honestly suggest you invest in some market research by an approved agent for any future developement.

And as for your comment on my rig. I have 2 PC's, this one is in the living room and has an AMD X2 CPU 2gb Ram and an HD 3870, while my main rig has a Phenom2, 4gb ram and a single 4870. I was going to go crossfire but decided against it in favour of buying a 360. Its currently needing a new OS install as I just replaced a defective HDD (damn you Hitachi!), and im waiting on my Win7 pre-order coming. And I regularly chat with people who have much more powerfull systems than me, plus they have several systems which they use to fold with.

And in graphics, iirc the exact statement by Nvidia was "We now have a card that makes the PS3's RSX obsolete", and that was oh about a year ago now.

EDIT* Oh yeah and take a look at GTAIV for the PC. It FAR exceeds what you term "mainstream" in its system requirements and it has still sold well on the PC.

[TexRoadkill]

I bought this game because of the Realistic and Sim modes. I've tried the demos for all the 360 flight games and this is the first one I had to buy. I'm glad there aren't a lot of complicated controls to deal with. That always turned me off in PC flight sims. I think it's possible to have a 'sim experience' without having to duplicate every single input that a real pilot would have to provide. To me the sim experience is more about allowing you to deal with the realistic challenges of flight and air combat without having to memorize a bunch of different key combos to deal with engine managment and seat warmers.

I seem to have a a lot of trouble finding my adversaries in MP dogfights on sim though. But since they seem to have no problem finding me I'm going to assume that's my fault and not the game.

[mondo]

I think its probably worth pointing out that this is the FIRST console flight simulator.

HAWX, ace combat etc are not simulators by any stretch of the imagination.

They have about as much in common with simulators as Katamari has to real life.

[dazz1971]

i dont care either way THIS GAME ROCKS !!! and im having so much fun playing it each to there own i guess ive had ace combat6 hawx and they are nothing compared to this game ive been waiting so long for a game like this to come out now i have a great game i can finally get my teeth into and progress with unlike most games i own on xbox that once you complete them there is nothing to draw you back to and they all end up gathering dust on my shelf
ive been playing this game nonstop since i got it and that is something rare to me with console game

oh and i have a powerfull pc setup so could easy play latest games on it but to be honest i cant be arsed with all the installing and then downloading and updating withe the latest patch just to play a game some games ive got for pc ive had to sit there fannying around with patches etc for 2-3 hours just to have a quick go not fun imho!!

[Dubbedinenglish]

For me it is this and Warhawk are the best this gen. AC6 was not as good as its PS2 predecessors and HAWX nerfed the fun in flying with the hand holding assist modes.

IL-2 and Warhawk are two different approaches on flight, Warhawk being a very arcade, but extremely fun game and IL-2 being a sim.

I've put in over 300 hours in Warhawk and I can see the same for this game.

[PoetSaskia]

Originally Posted by Anton Yudintsev

BoP is using exactly the same flightmodel for Sim mode as the original Il-2 (1946), and still allows hundreds of planes in the air.

Hundreds, you say? Are there really missions with hundreds of planes in the air? I'm not very far into the game, but I'm looking forward to some massive air battles. I want to know more about that!

[AV 1611]

This is my favorite thread! It really provides an honest in-depth view for SIM fans who are looking to buy BOP. Great questions and answers gentlemen

[aceofdaves]

Originally Posted by Lexandro

Sure cockpits are nice and all but theres no zoom in on instruments so they are pratically useless.

I'd agree, I think sim would benefit from having heading displayed on the hud along with alt and speed. The cockpits are nice it's got to be impossible to optimise the cockpit view for both seeing the enemy, where you're going and be aware of your instruments without being able to move the pilots 'eyes'. Perhaps when the altered look-around controls come into effect with the dlc this will be partially addressed.

Originally Posted by Lexandro

I have several close friends with the game and they all agree with me that sim mode just isnt any fun for them, as its far to frustrating. They and I prefer arcade at this point, though we have tried realistic a few times. But the way things are in realistic and having no option to set some things on/off really puts a downer on the fun, which is the whole reason we play the game in the first place.

Its not about personal opinion in the end however. Its about knowing the market and selling titles. I personally think its selling well simply due to the fact that its a damn good game. Its nothing to do with "the challenge", its simply well made, looks fantastic, and most of all is fun.

I'd disagree here. It's all about personal opinion and the fact that both you and Axe99 both like the same game for completely different reasons is testament to how well the devs have understood and catered for the various corners of the market!

[King Jareth]

You can use the zoom and freelook at the same time to zoom in on the instuments.

[aceofdaves]

You can. To clarify, what I really meant is it'll be easier to have a 'quick glance' down when you don't have to depress the right stick.