KBDS Normal/Hard/Impossible No-loss thread

[travelingoz]

If you could get snow storm and trap....... it may be possible to create a "choke point". But as you say, how do you deal with the ranged troops when all your army has such low HP........ Perhaps a 'fair' mod would be allowing your vamp to start with 2 necromancers. Problem being, you would still have to be lucky enough with runes to get Chaos LVL 2 AND Distortion LVL 1...........I have also got Magic Spring" from Clarissa, but your army doesn't have any 'meat shields" or summons so that's useless too........ sigh
Impy! Where are you??????????????

[travelingoz]

Originally Posted by zjazd18

Farthest i've gotten without cheat was beating black gate guardian using level 2 trap, trapper medal, and diversions level 1.Also with that setup it's possible to beat dwarf guardian of light as he has no ranged units.

Those eggs only give red spiders, and cave spiders, tried alternating them and simply nothing else comes out.

I've tried searching steam forums, and didn't see anything about impossible no-loss. Only impossible with loses, and abusing uncontrollable stack of spiders. If someone managed to do it, definitely didn't brag about it.

I restarted game many times, and best spell i saw was trap. Even if you get phantom it's too weak early on.

So what do you all think about giving the Vampire 2x necromancer and 1x black knight to start? Would that be "kosher" ????????

[zjazd18]

That would be awesome, but is it hard to mod something like that? As Matt proved, giving phoenix spell at start is pretty easy to do so i would go with that approach if i were to start over.

[MattCaspermeyer]

The starting army is 2 lines above the starting spell list in HERO.TXT. Note that you can change your starting Leadership and give yourself a Bone Dragon! You can give yourself more runes, gold, etc. - they are all there under the heading for the hero type you wish to change.

Note that the unit names for your army must match their ATOM - look in SPECIAL_PARAM.TXT and you'll see a bonus for "sp_lead_all" that is close to the top of the file. All the official ATOM names are listed there and you can put whatever you want in HERO.TXT - you can even expand it all the way out to 7 units (from 3) if you'd like, just make sure you terminate it properly (i.e. no | is needed at the end, just the unit name, "|", and number).

Once again, a misspelling here or improperly specified army list will crash the game when starting anew so just be careful and make backups of everything.

By the way, it'd be nice to use the Demoness as a template and devise a fair starting army for the other classes if they are underpowered or don't get any good units from their starting location. I have not played the other classes, so I don't know what you can get...

So who's equivalent to 2 Demonesses and 1 Demon for Orc / Vampire? Maybe you can even toss in 5 Cerberi for comparison between armies you should have by the time you get to the Catacombs with all 3 classes.

/C\/C\

[zjazd18]

There is no equivalent. You start with skeleton archers, zombies, and ghosts. Then from the beginning (no fighting) you pick 2 vampires and skeletons. That's all, there is shop but it has same troops - skeletons and zombies. So there is no compassion in term of quality of the troops. Orc is pretty weak as well but i don't remember what he had, as i had no desire to play that guy. Necromancers and Black Knight would definitely even things out, but still not sure if it would cut it.

[sethmage]

I played the game from the first week of early access as a vampire, Daert at the start had 2 necromancers (on the side note his attack does more damage than it should do) and I don’t remember how many ancient vampires (they have +100hp and can regenerate), but it was breeze on impossible without losses from the get go. If you could get even 1 necromancer at the start that would change the game enormously, he has 3 rise dead, that alone would keep enemy units busy for most of the battle.

Bagyr has access to Veteran orc, regular orcs, hyenas and goblins (and by access I mean to pick them up, no buying), since I’m writing this from work I can’t check exactly the name of them, however they have only 10HP! that I remember, any dwarf farts and he dies. He definitely needs shaman to keep him alive since there is no other way to keep him healthy.

[MattCaspermeyer]

Wow, there does seem to be quite an imbalance between starting Demoness and Orc / Vampire.

Okay, I'm down to the final boss fight! 509 no loss battles in and I'm level 74.

I've been basically playing my "no res" party since level 30 or so of just ArchDemons and Dragon Riders.

I've tried a couple of fights with the boss and so far it is hard to prevent damage (about 4K worth in one shot from the big boss) - I've tried just Dragon Riders a couple of times, just ArchDemons a couple of times, and both together.

I'm a glutton for punishment, though, and I'm going to see if I can try to do it with just that group of units. I used up all my Ancient Knowledge scrolls, but have 10M gold. So I guess I could fight the Golem in the Shelter (@500K a pop) and try to get to level 75, not that it would make that big of a difference.

I do have a scroll that gives you -20% Leadership so I'm going to use that one and then I forgot that I have at least 1 each of all the other scrolls (or can go buy them) so that I should be able to go in with +10 Attack, Defense, and Intellect, +15% Critical Hit, +30 Mana / Rage (I guess I need to learn Calm Rage) to max out my hero's stats.

So we'll see how it goes, if I can't win with no loss using that group, then I have plenty of money to go buy other troops...

/C\/C\

[MattCaspermeyer]

Hurray!

I basically just went with what I had and just went with a single stack of 43 ArchDemons and was able to finish off the big boss!

I didn't even use any Wanderer Scrolls.

If any one wants to know strategy, let me know.

510 total no loss victories!

I posted pictures of the victory, my final score (only 600, oh well), and my combat statistics for the game so you can see what I used. I tended to still sail around a lot, so that's probably why it took so long (I was being cheap to save that gold - since I ended up with 10M I guess I should have taken advantage of it more).

I didn't finish all the quests, but most of them had to do with stuff in the Shelter (and the descriptions aren't clear how to finish them such as Engineering Department or Military Department). The only other quest I couldn't finish was to bring 3 spells to the Shaman in Bear Butte, but I only got 1 of the scrolls as the other two never appeared in my game (or I didn't know where to find them).

/C\/C\

[zjazd18]

Grats Matt. Judging by how fast the boss fight ended i'm guessing u used similar strategy to mine. How come you spend 96 days, have you traveled a lot by boat or what? I ended at day 19 and was really careless about optimal travel route, although i'm used to abuse pause button like crazy from doing speed runs in previous games.

Anyways now you are free to go and figure out start of Vampire or Orc. Maybe it's possible to do it without alternating starting troops/spells.

[DGDobrev]

Well, I am also taking my sweet time traveling a lot by horse and such, mainly because I don't know the quests yet and sometimes I spend in-game hours running here and there... In any case, KBDS sure has tons of quests: Matt has 134 completed vs the 86 from KBAP, so we get like 50 more quests here. Awesome, I was looking for that number

Congrats Matt, I just hope I am able to beat the final boss as easily as you managed.