cheats allready

[Wolf_Rider]

the more you take from those who do and give it to those who don't do, the less there will to take because those who do won't do anymore.... then you'll be upset.

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

You can think that EULAs are cool, i will keep thinking they are customer-hostile, undermining basic consumer rights granted by law and most of all, not legally binding because they are not visible before you buy the product and there's no refund after you open the box 99% of the time.

not visible? ... what planet are you on?? the EULA has to be clicked on to Agree/ disagree before it will install and warranty information is located there too.

not legally binding? until tested, very binding sorry to say

[kimosabi]

Originally Posted by kimosabi

You dont own the game. You agree to pay a fee for using it under their terms.

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

As much as i dislike cheating, this is a perfect example of defeatist consumer attitude.

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

Hey, you're the one who got all agitated in the first place and even admitted as such. In case you don't remember here is your first post in this useless exchange:

You just seem to be the kind of person who can't stand having their opinion challenged one iota and please do note that i said "seem to be" as i realize there might be a host of different reasons for you getting off the wrong side of the bed.

You jumped on to attack a factual statement. Doesn't matter what opinion or "attitude" I might have, besides the fact that you implied that I personally is a person with a "defeatist consumer attitude". That's how it is. No wall of text on a game forum will change that. Now wake up and smell the coffee. Get over yourself.

Yes, I do get agitated over idiots. I think mankind deserves better than having them walk around on the planet. Or in this case, typing walls of text to relay the simplest of message.

[Voyager]

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

[...]
not visible? ... what planet are you on?? the EULA has to be clicked on to Agree/ disagree before it will install and warranty information is located there too.

not legally binding? until tested, very binding sorry to say

I will point out that 50 pages of hardcore legalese is completely incomprehensible to most people. I used to read EULAs, but when they were taking an hour a pop, and I came out will pretty much no idea what I would be agreeing to, I just quit. For a $50 game, that much time and effort deciphering the contract just is not worth it. I'll probably get burned by it a couple of times (Bioshock, I'm looking at you!) but if they screw me over to many times, I just quit buying, and then where does that leave everybody?

[Wolf_Rider]

"I just quit buying, and then where does that leave everybody?" running a sim with you watching tele... I should imagine


I only see two word doc pages for the Steam Install Agreement

[seaeye]

Originally Posted by kimosabi

Man without principles, hypocrite, forum troll, take your pick. I'm gonna have to go with "idiot" though. I will be happy to withdraw this ironic comment if you can agree that making twisted assumptions about people on an internet forum, based on factual one liners is pathetic.

Pretty sure you were the one to blow this out all proportions. I think Blackdog has a valid point of view that was written well. You on the other hand quickly resorted to name calling which is a sure sign of immaturity when confronted with things one doesn't understand.

Get a grip.

[Blackdog_kt]

Originally Posted by kimosabi

You jumped on to attack a factual statement. Doesn't matter what opinion or "attitude" I might have, besides the fact that you implied that I personally is a person with a "defeatist consumer attitude". That's how it is. No wall of text on a game forum will change that. Now wake up and smell the coffee. Get over yourself.

Yes, I do get agitated over idiots. I think mankind deserves better than having them walk around on the planet. Or in this case, typing walls of text to relay the simplest of message.

Ah, it was the defeatist thing that got you going? I missed that completely. Maybe because i clearly stated i was not implying that you are personally defeatist (the "not being aggressive against you" part), but that we as a consumer public are by and large willing to make more and more concessions and inconvenience ourselves, while the people who cause the problems make none.

I think i get it now, you saw a quote with your name on it and took my post as personally directed answer despite me stating the contrary.

@ Wolf Rider: As for the EULAs, they should be plastered on top of every game box in the shop shelves so people can see what they'll have to agree to to play a game, then they would hold some weight. But then many people would not probably buy either. See how this goes around in circles? What happens instead is you pick up a game, you pay for it, you put the disc in the tray to install (which means opening the packaging, something that makes it non-returnable and non-refundable in 99% of the cases) and THEN you are presented with the EULA once you run the launcher. Sorry, i pay for my games but i don't respect any such document.

How many of you guys run modded versions of IL2? That's against the EULA too but i don't see many of you considering it such heresy

Anyway, as usual i'm just arguing a personal viewpoint, feel free to agree or disagree at your own discretion.

[Wolf_Rider]

@ blackdog...

well that's just it... you don't seem to respect much at all except for what you think is your inalienable right to do whatever it is you want with software you think you own.

there's something about english teachers being pompous... they're all the same

[Mysticpuma]

I'm not sure if this is more Steam than CloD?

I play MW2 a lot and many times I join servers with Hacks and Mods running. This isn't through choice, it just happens and you can only disconnect.

I wonder how the Servers will be locked down in CloD?

Just asking, cheers, MP

Originally Posted by Il2Pongo

You pay a fee to be "granted" a license for the privilege of driving. Administered by a lawful authority that of course has the ability to revoke that privilege.

No one is a consumer of licenses.

Just a funny story:

There was a guy here in California who had his license mistakenly (DMV admitted as much) revoked but the guy made such a stink about it the DMV decided not to extend this privilege to him for an undetermined period of time (that'll teach him - lol). The guy took the DMV to court where the judge ruled that the state could not withhold the ability of a citizen to drive without just cause, thereby ruling that the privilege to drive is in fact a conditional right to drive which cannot be denied as long as one meets the requirements for qualification.

And, yes, rights can be forfeited ... that's what prisons and gallows are all about.

[nearmiss]

Zippit you are getting way off topic and the topic is bad enough.