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Old 02-03-2010, 09:50 AM
Chase Chase is offline
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Default Single stack (Red dragons), impossible mage

So early on I got a call of the colossus and got me a red dragon. Using this unit is enough for the first couple of islands if you play smart. Eventually I managed to kite my way to shattera and ultrax to pick up some eggs.

then I got armageddon and two of the astral resistance items.

Needless to say Ive cleared out most of the game now with just red dragons and even if my tactic is a bit cheesy I do enjoy it

I will start any fight by waiting or depending on the enemies I will cast stone skin. Then If I have more then 600 hp when its my turn to move I just throw out armageddon. Rinse an repeat for 2-3 rounds while using rage for the mana bursts.

I was quite fun killing the 100 dragons in Montaro with just a few red dragons and the hardest encounter so far has been the Driller. But mana spring (for the extra defense and mana regen + stoneskin) saved the day in the end.

I actually think you can be able to beat the game with just red dragons if you focus a lot of defensive items and spells and just outlast the enemies.

Any input from anyone?
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Old 02-03-2010, 10:11 AM
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I may also add that so far Ive had no unit losses. And barely a few reloads thanks to Turn back time
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Old 02-03-2010, 11:31 AM
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I doubt that one can beat the game with a single Red, Black, or Green Dragon stack. The late game bosses (Gremlion, K'Tahu and Baal) will give you very hard time.

K'Tahu's spit is about 3.5k Physical damage and even with a very powerful stone skin + magic spring on, it'll hurt, and you need your spell casts to damage the boss, not heal the dragon... Not to mention that you need to worry about his summons as well.

Baal has 80% Fire Protection (he's a demon afterall), which will make the Red and Black dragons look pitiful and when he summons demons, they will simply laugh at them (since demons have 50% or higher fire resistance).

However, the game is beatable with a single Bone Dragon stack, and has been proven already by Zechnophobe. The bone dragons inflict poison damage and few bosses and units have a decent resistance to it.

So, if you're willing to be a little bit flexible (meaning your strategy is not RD-based only), add a secondary stack to help the RD's from time to time
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Old 02-03-2010, 12:54 PM
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Good advice there .

I just enjoy the general snipe tactic with red dragons, but you have nice initiative on the bone dragons aswell. It should be noted that Im using all the reduce damage items that I can find and that Im also stacking defense as much as I can, while hoovering around 50 intellect.

But I am a bit baffeled by how easy it has been so far with only red dragons and whatever attack spell I feel like throwing out there (Armageddon just because I can right now). So if bone dragons can top that, then it shouldent be hard at all.

It is just so effective that I can clear out islands in just a few hours. Did Umkas last night in 30 mins. And its so easy to have full rage/mana prior to every fight.

This is definatly the most fun Ive had so far in AP .
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Old 02-04-2010, 02:59 AM
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then I got armageddon and two of the astral resistance items.
Seriously? I never encountered any such item, does it say specifically resistance to astral damage?
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Old 02-04-2010, 03:43 AM
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Seriously? I never encountered any such item, does it say specifically resistance to astral damage?
He's likely using gift bag mod.
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Old 02-04-2010, 04:41 AM
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Yeah, the Ghost Armor in the gift bag mod has 20% Astral Resist for instance.
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Old 02-04-2010, 05:33 AM
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Hm, I never use any kind of mods, so I was right in thinking there is no such thing as astral damage resistance.
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Old 02-04-2010, 12:17 PM
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People should realise that gift bag is NOT A MOD. Mod is something that modifies the game in one aspect or another, usually adding extra content to affect and bias the game towards certain hero or heroes, unit or units, or aspect(s) of the game. Gift Bag is official and simply balances the game a little by adding a number items to cover the areas that were not previously covered and affect units that were... humm... "unpopular":
- astral damage resistance items (promotes the armageddon tactic, which was previously unapplicable)
- additional poison resistance items (there was only the healer's jacket before this and it wasn't a certain spawn)
- various items that reduce leadership for units that are rarely used (for example, the alchemist's kit: -25% Leadership and +1 speed will make you use them!)
- various items that boost attack against undead, there is now an item that improves critical damage (taking it over 150%)

That's what I would call re-balancing. Nothing is changed, nothing is modded in a way to bias the game. Usually, player-made mods do just that. The official one doesn't.
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Old 02-04-2010, 02:00 PM
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I don't understand, has there been released a new patch for KB:AP, where is this "gift bag"?
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