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Old 09-23-2012, 06:01 PM
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[QUOTE=Crumpp;463075]It does turn better. Look at the calculations I posted.

It just does not do it under all conditions or speeds. That is important, Glider.

If the two airplanes were to have a turning battle to the stall point, the Bf-109E-3 would loose.

Here is the acceleration rates of the two aircraft. The Bf-109E-3 out accelerates the Spitfire Mk I due to its being lighter with more excess thrust.



I am sorry but this is rubbish.
a) You are using the wrong power settings for a Spit
b) The 109 controls lock at higher speeds far more so than the spit
c) The German test establishments let alone the pilots in combat would have identified that the 109 turned better at high speed and would have given instructions to their pilots similar to those given to Typhoon, Tempest and USAAF fighters. These essentially went 'Dont enter a slow turning fight with an Me109, keep your energy up and you will have him' Substitute Spitfire for 109 and you would have the german instructions. These were never given.

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If the Bf-109E3 maintains his trim speed of 400 kph, he is tough customer for a Spitfire to deal with. At that speed, the Bf-109 can sustain better performance and accelerates better. The Spitfire needs to take the fight to the low speed realm where it has all the advantages.
At 12 lb thrust the Spit produces 1300 hp which puts the power to weight ratio firmly in favour of the Spitfire from which a lot of performance calcs are decided. Without this calculation the charts you posted are of little value.
400 Km is about 250 mph which is not fast.

The Me109E is a tough customer no question and in the overall view there is nothing between them
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