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Originally Posted by Glider

The problem that I have is that they didn't break up, there are hardly any examples of this happening.

There are plenty, actually. Undue sensitivity of the controls and ease of overloading the aircraft structure is stressed as a specific problem with Spitfire in the Spitfire Pilot's manual.

I have said a number of times that I would expect to find a small number as their could be a number of reasons yada yada yada

Now is "hardly any examples of breakups happening" or "maybe you can a small number of breakups"? You contradicted yourself in the follow up paragraph, congratulations..

Originally Posted by Glider

Find some examples of it happening and we can debate it but without any them there is no reason to include it in the Sim.

Of course there's a reason. I see the Spitfire manual specially noting the risk of breaking up of the airframe a perfect and throughly documented reason as to why include this control characteristic into the sim. Not much a 'debate' is required, its plain there.

I am sure our two import fanatics, Glider and NZTyphoon, neither of whom are actual players or buyers of the sim and are really just here to disagree and continue their old feuds from other boards and would like to bury the whole thing in another wall of nonsense.

I should add that the Me110 seems to have a much bigger problem than the Spit.

Wishful. You always seem have this stance, first denial, when denial no longer works, comes the 'oh maybe I admit I am sure the Germans had it worse'. What's the connection anyway to Jeffyboy's newest smokescreen about 110s...? I can count but one Bf 110 loosing a wing for whatever reason in this list of 6 months of losses. I am sure there were a couple others with similiar fate, but how does that connect the Spitfires?

Let me see if I got your "logic" right: one 110s lost a wing for some reason in July 1940, which is, Glider and Minorlinkstorian argues, a good reason why not to model Spitfire pilots ability to break the aircraft in two just by pulling the stick back too much, due to the well documented extreme sensitivity of the elevator, noted by NACA, RAE, the Air Ministry, and which was specifically noted in Spitfire Pilot's manual specifally notes for the type, and which was the cause of numerous Spitfire breaking up during the war.

Seriously, its way to transparent that its just two guys, arguing that their national idol should be modelled without any flaw in a WW2 flight sim. And I would say it's pretty lame to watch this happen in every thread.