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Old 08-12-2012, 12:29 AM
camber camber is offline
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Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles View Post
Hmmm, your example is a fight where you started at a disadvantage and didn't get shot down but couldn't kill the other guy.

That's a really bad example if you're trying to illustrate how bad it is for RAF pilots.
Hello Doggles,

You are absolutely right. I was just intrigued by Winger's example of a 109 pilot perceiving himself in a fair "balanced" fight continually stall turning onto the Spit but not getting hits due to Spit manouvreability, but with the Spit secretly cursing and feeling hard done by below because there is no way to break his defensive position without immediately being in a worse defensive position.

Besides the speed problems with all planes and RAF glass engine which are well documented, I am suspicious of the 109 current (seemly unchanged in latest beta patch) ability to use initial zoom from level to often get into an unassailable position from co-E and even slight disadvantage. But this is rather a secondary characteristic to things like level speeds, I'm not sure how historical data could tell us if this was possible or unlikely. And I might be flying badly. I'm not saying the situation can't be fun either.

If I am seen in the bounce on a good 109 pilot, I find that he just needs to turn away, a little dive if it looks like I might get into guns range, then rapid climb which I cannot follow even at "engine explode in 1 min" settings. Perhaps this is really what 109s could do in 1v1s at all alts, the wide range of anecdotal evidence suggests otherwise to me though.

Of course the really frustated bounces are when he DOESN'T see you and you come screaming in behind but don't quite make guns range before your speeds equal and he draws away flying straight and level for England

Cheers, camber
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