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Old 05-28-2012, 09:44 AM
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! Which is why it was so hard for them to admit that the swept wings of the Me262 and the associated benefits were NOT intentional.
Cool. You use them for what supports your claim.
Everything else you read there which you don't like simply doesn't count.
Man, you truly life in a black and white world.

The new greatest hero is Hayes, everything before wasn't really important.
A bit like Goddard, only what he did was important, no?
Both Americans of course, our heroes.

Funny enough you mention the 2262/P8o) being pre-Hayes and so outdated.
The you mention Hayes and the F86.

Hayes publications didn't start until 47.
F86 flew first time in 47 and went swept wing in August 45.

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That is why the Me262 and P80 are considered more of a 'evolutionary' than a revolutionary' design
Downplaying again? That statement is just plain silly.

Every plane is evolutionary...

Revolutionary designs are successful firsts - first powered flight, first jet plane, first jet with wing sweep at high speed, first ultra sonic, etc.

Of course those revolutionary designs did not appear out of nowhere, they were based on planes and flight apparatuses made before them, nothing but logical.

I'm not surprised that you see no altering and bending of history since WW II looking at how biased you are and how one sided you look at things.


Keep on ignoring:

- high speed wind tunnel tests from 39 AVA Goettingen
- 262 with steep swept wing at 40 degrees tested in wind tunnel 41
- high speed trial of 262 with 18.5 wing sweep showing advantage over straight wing
- Me 262 swept inner wing added in 42-43, not for CoG

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But what that tells me is they either didn't understand it as well as some would have us belive, or, based on what they understood they didn't see it as being a great benefit.. Either of which seem to fit the historic record.. That being most of what the Germans understood of swept wing benefits was based on their studies of 'highly' swept wings. And the Me262 swept wing of only 18 deg is not considered highly swept.
OK, lets sum this up:
- they didn't know anything about those swept wings really.
- even if they knew something about swept wing they thought it was of no advantage
- because their research was done in highly swept wings they had no clue about less swept wings. Boelkow doing research on high swept wing would be completely ignorant of a lesser wing sweep.


Oh boy, those German designers were really stupid.
Kind of surprised that the Americans thought it necessary to go over to Germany and get their hands on whatever they could, even went through the trouble to translate the papers.
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