Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt
It's interesting how in the case of the middle east muslims you are so vocal, but when it comes to the balkans it's a vague statement that "kosovo and serbia had their differences".
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I wasn't playing it down, what's the sense of detailing it. The whole world knows what happened in that conflict. It was genocide of the worst kind, and the Muslims were the blunt of it. Guess who came to their aid? The U.S. infidels of course, not the muslims.
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If the US is so scared of Muslims i would expect a universally heavy-handed attitude against them. Since that's not the case, i don't really believe your issue are the Muslims per se, but the Muslims that don't serve your interests.
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Scared, where did you drag that up from? We Americans are having issues everyday with muslims, and there are darn few doing anything in our interest except to sell us oil.
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The inconsistency of your administrations is totally ridiculous. I wouldn't even mind if they said outright that they are out to preserve US interests (in any way they perceive them) or even if they said nothing at all, but trying to sugar coat their interventionist policy and continuous revision of everything that annoys them as some sort of humanitarian mission that we should all sympathise with and maybe even bleed for (yeah they wish), is infuriating to say the least.
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Inconsistency, interventionist --- and who wants sympathy?
We know there is no sympathy, because everyone thinks they can appease the Muslim extremists by ragging on American and not participating. LOL
All those little appeasements are going to be worthless when the extremists get around to serving up their revenge for just about anything they can conjure up. Currently, the extremists are just too busy with America to do more than kill a few hundred people in Spain, England or countries.
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I mean, how am i supposed to believe they really care about the rise of radical islam, when:
1)They themselves have funded such groups numerous times in the past (Bin Laden against USSR in Afghanistan)
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Sorry, but since no one else steps up to help or do anything. The US has become the world's police. America helped in the Eastern bloc to protect Muslims, and in Afghanistan to help the afghans defend themselves from the Russians.
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2) They are allied with countries that contain the bigger % of radical population (Saudi Arabia)
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And where do you get your oil from? Compromises have to be made.
Like most of the developing world we need gasoline and we may not like who we have to buy it from... but buy it we must.
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3) Threaten and attack only secular muslim countries, where the local dictatoship is 1000 times more effective than the US at containing the radicals (Iraq and Syria). There was no real radical threat under Saddam's rule, who coincidentally was also a western-backed leader to contain the rise of radicals in Iran. Seems like whenever someone in the west is scared, someone else in the middle east must either get bombed to the stone age or suffer a dictatorship and forced to fight his neighbors himself. The western countries that did so many great things in the past don't even want to do their own dirty laundry now.
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LOL --- No terrorists in Iraq... who the heck is killing all the people in Iraq. Muslims killing Muslims. Like I said they can't get along among themselves.
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4) Turn a blind eye to radical islamic groups in various well documented cases and even speak in public in their support (Chechen-Russian war, before the 9/11 attacks).
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What has this got to do with anything? Who turned a blind eye to radical islam? Also, I always had the idea the Chechnya was part of Russia. Oh, I forgot the Chechens don't want to be part of Russia.
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5) Use military violence to form not one but two unstable states that harbor radical groups smack in the middle of Europe's soft spot (Bosnia and Kosovo).
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Who is doing this? As I recall they just got their independence recognized.
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And most of the above, with total disregard to international law.
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International law... what law, who holds jurisdiction.
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Sorry mates, i'm not buying it. The US administration doesn't have a beef with Muslims, it has a beef with anyone that's doesn't get along with their tune. Muslims have been in fact used as pawns to promote US interests, both for weakening USSR and Russia in Afghanistan and Caucasus, but also for subverting a possible rise of Europe as a financial power through the Balkan conflicts.
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buying it??
Pawns.. who are you talking to, everyone has problems with Muslims. As I recall Muslim extremists bombed and killed another large group of Muslim civilians today in Iraq. You tell me what kind of brotherhood that is?
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The reasons are very simple and nobody is an idiot, so they might as well come clean about it. A Europe with money but lack of natural reserves is a perfect match for a capitalist Russia that lacks money but has ample gas and oil to supply. And then nobody will play with them anymore. That's all the US policy makers do, make sure they don't become obsolete. The arguments about humanitarian reasons and promotion of democracy are in such a stark contrast to what they've done and still do in various parts of the world, that even a kindergarden student would be hard pressed not to think "wow, these guys must think i'm a total idiot".
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