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Old 06-17-2011, 04:11 AM
Kurfürst Kurfürst is offline
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Dear David/Glider,

I am not going to lower myself to your level of evading questions and instead of putting forward your evidence, repeatedly requested by myself in this and other threads, entering into pitiful personal attacks. Its sufficient to say that despite being asked about 3 times already to put forward the evidence to your claims, you've utterly failed to do so. Instead, you've only managed to claim that the evidence I put forward in my earlier posts are 'fantasy' - very convincing and mature arguement indeed!

Therefore, I find it sufficient to point out the following facts. Regarding the Australian Researcher's findings, you strongly distort what he says, and put up strawman arguements, such as putting into his mouth that 'large quantities of fuel were not available until August' - he never said such a thing. You simply make up a lie and then 'disprove' your own lie. He notes that the decisions were made in may 1940 due to concerns of future fuel supplies, which makes the arguement about what the storage was in August completely irrelevant - in may the fuel supply was still just about 200 000 tons, and at the RAF's consumption rate of 40-50k tons per month it would be sufficient for but a few months, had complete 100 octane conversion would have been decided. Regarding you claims about British War Cabinet meetings, earlier you claimed you went into the NA in Kew and 'found nothing' -I am totally on the opinion that you have simply made this up in desperation.

Regarding your comments regarding my posting on this thread no 24, they only show that you are completely lack reading comprehension skills, which makes you probably the least qualified person in this thread to make summaries of far more complicated papers than a forum post written in simple English. Regarding the Australian researchers findings, I must also note that despite I made it clear where the qoutes come from, you first have repeatedly told others that those are my finding and I should produce the paper; you have had to be told several times over and over again that the research was done by an Austrialian fellow, and you were even given a link to the discussion concerned; then you kept claiming some conspiracy that the link wasn't working for you, and now you admit that you in fact seen the thread, but now claim that for some reason you couldn't contact him; I wonder why, when you have seen the thread, you could send him a PM any time have you really wished; why I would need to ask to contact you is beyond my imagination.

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Originally Posted by Glider View Post
In other words all Blenheim bomber units had the fuel. Kurfurst was well aware of this detail.
Aware of what..? I am glad to see that you are resorting to your favourite tactic, you were asked to support evidence for your claim that all fighter command fighter were running on 100 octane, and utterly failed at that; so instead now you change the subject and brought up a new claim, that all Blenheims were running on 100 octane as well. What's next, Glider? But very well, support that claim as well, I willing to believe if I see the evidence, because your papers, whatever you want to read into them plainly say that

"certain Fighter and Blenheim Squadrons"

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/att...h-meeting-.jpg

"the Bomber Stations concerned was practically complete (these Stations are Wyton Watton, Wattisham, West Rayham)"

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/att...ng-minute-.jpg

Quite clearly only four Bomber/Blenheim bases were 'concerned' with 100 octane fuel. If those four stations held all Blenheim Squadrons, your claim may be true, but somehow I doubt it.

Wyton had two Blenheim Squadrons at the time: Nos. 15 and 40
"In December 1939, both Wyton squadrons were sent to France and Nos. 15 and 40 Squadrons returned from the Continent to Wyton, the first step in converting Battle squadrons to Blenheims. Both squadrons flew their first bombing raids from Wyton on May 10, 1940 against targets in the Low Countries. The Blenheims of No. 57 Squadron were based briefly at Wyton in June before going south, returning for two weeks the following month before flying north only to appear again at Wyton in late October. "

Wattisham had also two, Nos. 107 and 110 Squadrons http://www.raf.mod.uk/bombercommand/s30.html
http://www.raf.mod.uk/bombercommand/s106.html

Watton also had two Blenheim Squadrons: Nos.21 and 82 Squadrons
http://www.raf.mod.uk/bombercommand/s31.html

West Rayham had only one Blenheim Squadron, No. 139, and possibly from June 1940 also no. 18 also operating.

That's 7 or more like 8 Blenheim Squadrons on 100 octane. At that time there were 15 Bomber Command Sqns. operating Blenheim IVs. But this pretty much explains where 100 octane fuel went in such quantities - even those 8 Blenheim Squadrons were consuming a lot. Total tankage was 468 imp. gallons compared to 85 gallons on the Spit - a worth of about 45 Fighter Squadrons..
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Last edited by Kurfürst; 06-17-2011 at 04:15 AM.