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Originally Posted by Kano_Magnus

I don't understand why this community finds it so hard to accept that people are angry about being sold an unfinished game (without warning) at full price, especially as digital customers can't take their copy back to the shop. If the developers wanted us to be playtesters then perhaps they should have organised a scheme where people could have volunteered rather than be charged £/€/$40 for the privilege. As a Steam customer I have no choice but to stick with the game; that said I doubt I shall be buying any games released by 1C/Ubisoft in the foreseeable future.

I can't speak for the community as a whole, but here are some things to consider.

When you buy a game through Steam, you should be doing so knowing you have practically no way of getting a refund, so if you're going to take that gamble (and it is always a gamble, regardless of the game and the odds that it will work out alright) you can't then turn around and complain if it doesn't work out for you, it was your choice. So if you do then complain about that aspect of it, you're probably going to piss some people off.

When you're buying a combat flight sim made by Maddox Games, you're buying something that will never be finished. It's always going to be a work in progress. Not just in terms of content, but useability. They've got about ten years worth of history with their previous IL-2 series to back this up. If you bought into the new series not knowing that, then you just didn't know what you were buying into, and complaining about it, is probably going to piss some people off.

Not even giving Maddox Games a chance to patch and improve the game and essentially crying over spilled milk by complaining about the initial release state of the game, is pointless and disrespectful and inconsiderate, and is probably going to piss some people off.

A lot of people were calling for the game to be released even when it was stated as being in beta stage. And while a lot of end-users were happy to wait for the development to take as long as it had to, someone forced it out the door before it was ready. One of the results was, some people who hadn't done their research, and who didn't know the history of the development of this and the prior series, got caught in the cross-fire, and bought something without waiting to read the reviews on it, only to find it wasn't what they thought it was going to be. Complaining about that, is probably going to piss some people off.

The game, or sim, while not complete, is currently quite playable and enjoyable for a lot of end-users. Having the game continually and relentlessly represented as a totally unplayable mess with no redeeming features, is probably going to piss some people off.

Again, I can't speak for the community, but I think everyone here understands what it's like to buy a game you can't even play or that just doesn't provide you with the kind of experience you wanted from it. It's annoying, it can make you angry.

But when two people buy the same game and one thinks it's the best thing ever and one thinks it's the worst thing ever, which person would you rather hear from? Especially on the forums for that game. Especially when you're one of the ones who thinks the game is the best thing ever, or that it could be if the developers get the opportunity to make it so. Especially when some of those doing the complaining don't even have the f***** game, and when others are stating their intention to not get it (and therefore to not support it's ongoing development) until their particular want is satisfied, while others give every indication of not being able to stop complaining regardless of what the developers do for them. I think that is what the community is having trouble accepting. Some of the forum-members are more bug-f***ed than the game. Or so it seems at times.

Most of us want the sim to succeed, and not just for purely selfish reasons. And I personally would like to see refunds freely given to all that want them, (and even to some of those who don't want them come to think of it, those who think that spending however much it was on the game entitles them to a directorship of Maddox Games, or of IL-2 development anyway), just to make them go away

No, I don't mean that. As others have stated, if the blind fanboyism ever gets to the point where legitimate complaints and concerns aren't airable here, then we'll have just gone too far the other way. I'd just rather see a bit more balanced and considered thinking here on the forums, instead of so much reactionary knee-jerk negativity. But then that's just as much about me exercising my own patience and practicing what I preach I guess, so...