Fair post Dano, the reason why i have been less subtle (if thats possible) with my comments on the terrain is that Oleg as stated that the game is effectively finished, just ironing out the bugs, now Oleg did promise Terrain better than WOP, and like I have already pointed out that it may well be the case that we will get wonderful terrain, but, and i stress but, the terrain we have seen recently from altitude is IMHO very poor.