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SharpeXB 01-31-2013 05:18 PM

Prop pitch in combat?
 
Do you ever use the 109s variable pitch in combat since it takes so long to change? Or is it just left at the course setting for everything except takeoff and landing?

macro 01-31-2013 05:36 PM

you wont get the max out of the engine if the prop pitch isnt adjusted all the time.

Continu0 01-31-2013 05:44 PM

Whenever possible I adjust... I don´t always have the time, but if you can have a quick glimpse at it, try to adjust.
As the 109 is an energy fighter, you can easily overheat the engine in a dive. Decreasing the angle of the propeller will also give you more speed to climb away from a boom&zoom-attack.

And one last tip: Try to fly by ear. If you can hear that you have way too much rpm, you don´t have to look at the rpm indicator. This needs training but is quite useful after a while...

VO101_Tom 01-31-2013 05:53 PM

Yep. This is not an option, this is necessity.

SlipBall 01-31-2013 06:56 PM

Sharpe watch AI fly an E3 and just observe the situation and the clock. I know they fly under different rules, but the pitch is used well by them.

SharpeXB 01-31-2013 07:12 PM

That all makes sense. What seems difficult is that it takes so long to change pitch compared to props with just two settings. Practice is obviously a must.

SharpeXB 02-01-2013 12:20 PM

Doesn't a 109E actually have the pitch control as switch on the throttle? It seems that lever on the dash depicted in CoD would be impossible to use while flying.

This is an interesting article here
http://www.vintagewings.ca/VintageNe...tt-Bf-109.aspx

Sokol1 02-01-2013 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SharpeXB (Post 496287)
Doesn't a 109E actually have the pitch control as switch on the throttle?

Yes, 109E have prop pitch control in switch in throttle handle.

Quote:

~It seems that lever on the dash depicted in CoD would be impossible to use while flying.
If for use you mean click then with mouse (a la FSX), the 109E swich is more difficult to click than one in dash...
Assign these funcion IN two button in your (HOTAS) throttle or joystick, or at least in keyboard.

Sokol1

Widow17 02-01-2013 02:34 PM

i dont think its too slow, e.i. its always possible to keep rpm low enough to not overheat even in dives, and basicaly its mainly a speed thing i guess, so when you keep turning sharp in some kind of turnfight so speed stays about same you can keep prop pitch setting and dont have to adjust much, as soon as speed changes adjust prop pitch, and as speed doesnt jump up or down prop pitch doesnt have to either, its all a constant flow, so its good you cant change it too quick. That would cause some kind of "overcorrection"...

SharpeXB 02-01-2013 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sokol1 (Post 496293)
Yes, 109E have prop pitch control in switch in throttle handle.



If for use you mean click then with mouse (a la FSX), the 109E swich is more difficult to click than one in dash...
Assign these funcion IN two button in your (HOTAS) throttle or joystick, or at least in keyboard.

Sokol1

I have a HOTAS, I was just curious about how it was handled on the real aircraft. I suppose the realistic thing to do with your HOTAS is assign the prop pitch to buttons and not an axis for the 109. I use the throttle wheel on my CH stick for the prop rpm control on other planes.

VO101_Tom 02-01-2013 09:08 PM

The clod have many bugs, but the 109s PP is accurate. The PP swich was placed in the center of the dashboard (E-1, E-3). When the AutoPP installed in E-4, this switch placed on the throttle (you can switch off the automatic PP, especially it does not working under 2000 engine rpm).
The VDM propeller pitch is electro-mechanical construction, not hidraulic. This is why slower than other systems (but reliable). The PP clock shows the propeller angle, 10 minute = 1°. The PP speed is 1-1,5°/sec, so it should take one full circle within 4-6 seconds. The clod modelled 1°/sec = 6 sec/1 circle. This is the bottom edge, but accurate.

The 109 PP work with buttons only. The hotas axis operate the switch only (in the end positions), not directly the PP angle.

Volksieg 02-02-2013 12:49 AM

Suggestion: Set your hat switch (Left and right or up and down) to control prop pitch.... most times you are after a setting of 2.3 or 2.4 so, once you are in the air, if you set the prop pitch around there and keep an eye on it, it shouldn't be too difficult to maintain that pitch even in a combat situation. After awhile you will get used to it and know when to increase it or decrease it (To always maintain that magic reading) when climbing, diving etc.

The auto prop pitch in the 109 is working pretty well now so, on occasions where I can't be bothered, it is usually safe to switch to auto when in combat.... though you will get the best performance out of the bird using manual. :)

SharpeXB 02-02-2013 01:50 AM

Do all the 109s have an auto pitch?

Volksieg 02-02-2013 01:58 AM

Nope. In relation to Cliffs of Dover... only the E4. :)

Kurfürst 02-15-2013 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SharpeXB (Post 496287)
Doesn't a 109E actually have the pitch control as switch on the throttle? It seems that lever on the dash depicted in CoD would be impossible to use while flying.

This is an interesting article here
http://www.vintagewings.ca/VintageNe...tt-Bf-109.aspx

Both systems existed already in 1939. The "Dash" switch was abandoned for its impracticality in favour of the throttle switch, which remained there till the last variant.

The Clod model of the "dash switch" is somewhat inaccurate, as the real one could be locked in the bottom position for feathering the prop.

SlipBall 02-15-2013 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kurfürst (Post 497491)
Both systems existed already in 1939. The "Dash" switch was abandoned for its impracticality in favour of the throttle switch, which remained there till the last variant.

The Clod model of the "dash switch" is somewhat inaccurate, as the real one could be locked in the bottom position for feathering the prop.


This was in the game release while using an axis control for the pitch, and it worked just fine, it was removed for some reason...In the sense that once you select that position it is the lever then in the down"position and imagined locked/and is feathering, until you select a different position which then once selected, the lever would then be in the middle/neutral position...sadly gone now, another victim of a patch. EDIT: I just tried using the 0% pitch key and that works fine too in the older game, the feather key has never worked in game, but was not really needed, and not all aircraft does the pitch work properly.

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