IL2 Expansion coming in September???
 

Rumours of an expansion for "IL2:CoD" named as "Deadly Duel in November 1940" for 29.99 euro this coming September 2011 after an announcement on German Amazon.com.
The site lists the following campaign missions:

· Fighter pilot campaign: Helmut Wick
· Fighter pilot campaign: Channel Front 1940 - 3./JG2 "Richthofen"
· Bomber campaign: Test Detachment 210 (fighter-bombers over England)
· Fighter pilot campaign: JC Dundas
· Fighter pilot campaign: No. 609 Squadron - Spitfire 609 Squadron - Spitfire

Woo-hoo! More fuel for the fire! :grin:

link or gtfo

Link please? Made by who?

Won't get fooled again. Not a penny.

I'd certainly think about it if loadouts, AI and radio commands got some more work.

Oh, and if we were assured that spitgirl was notable in her absence!

http://www.strategyinformer.com/news...n-in-september

seems liek someone misundertood the promo video of that campaign the german guys are doing...

That will be a campaign/mission adon from the developer Desastersoft who already sold such adons for classic il2.
http://www.desastersoft.com/
AFAIK it will only work when you set your CoD on german lamguage via steam.

Amen.

Well that's pretty daft. Talk about limiting your market...

Third party involvement is very welcome. It will be very interesting to see what they've done with the full mission builder and the way they've structured the campaigns.

All the very best of luck to them!

Cheers!

LOL someone's pullin yer leg.

That's gotta be false, since we already know the next expansion from maddox games will be eastern front.

You just did ;)

Read the thread - not produced by MG so no reason it can't be true.

those are 3rd parties. And desaster soft put out a demo which can be downloaded (and tested) for their Wick Dundas campaign (which contains 5 missions for their III./JG2 and 609 campaigns, both in normal and low (plane number I guess) versions).

had a look over them, there's nothing special in there. in no way they are worth their 30 euros they're asking for on Amazon pre-order.

without any sqd system or even anyway to enter a pilot name, its just a series of single missions.
Though i would thought they are prob well made and have nice skins.

There has been a demo available for this for some time now. It was posted here but was removed.

again, the mission in their demo were very simple. no scripting (and I mean really no scripting whatsoever), just plain missions, with messages via the HudLogCenter ugly function.

at this moment, the russian Adlertag, Battle of Britain, Erpr.Gr.210, II./StG 1 and Spitfires over Dunkirk are way over the vanilla, or any other campaigns.

Why on earth would they remove it? A strong community it commercial campaign set can only increase the viability of CoD. Or do the devs think they don't need help in this regard!

Thank You Tiger ;)!

For clearence:
Fighter Aces! Helmut Wick vs. J. C. Dundas is a Campaign Add On in tradition of our IL2 Add On Series ( we made 7 Campaign Add Ons for the IL2 Series, most of them in German Language only) Fighter Aces Series is now continued in CloD.

The Add On will be translated into English in between the next 3/4 Weeks and available as DL Version via our Shop site.

Also we do enter into negotiations with 1C Company for a Version for GUS Boxed/or/and Steam DLC.

Content:

6 Campaigns in two Versions: Low (for low end Computers) and High (for medium and power mashines)

Fighter Aces! Major Helmut Wick - 25+ Missions
Fighter Aces! Flight Lieutenant J. C. Dundas - 13 Missions
No. 609 Squadrons - Spitfire - 42 Missions
No. 111 Squadron - Hurricanes - 27+ Missions
Erprobungsgruppe 210 - ME 110 - Fighter Bombers over England - 30 Missions
3./JG 2 "Richthofen - Bf 109 - 40 Missions

All Campaigns based on historic facts. Campaigns built by orignal reports of the German Luftwaffe High Command and british Fighter Command.

Special Features:

Dynamic RDF System for british Fighter Campaigns (RADAR)
Manual with historic Overview and Blueprints of Plane Silhouettes, Combat Codes of Luftwaffe Fighters, Target Numbers of British Airfields (historic)
Helmut Wick Skins for every of his Aircraft according to the Missions with correct Shooting Markings

Special Edition (Box only):

Printed DIN A2 Channel Map for Combat flying, with printed Target Numbers.
Printed Manual within 24 Aircraft Silhouetes

Cheers
Thomas

Why would I pay 30 euros for something I or the community can produce for free?

It's not likely to have addressed any of the bugs like radio commands and in any case I think that would be an infringement of Maddox Ts&Cs?

Anyway, its a lot to try to make out of a chance dogfight with a typically unpredictable end, probably due to luck and circumstance.

30 Euros........:lol::lol::lol:,ROFL

There's nothing wrong with any kind of 3rd party campaigns / addons to IL2 CoD, on contrary.

The only thing I say is that the price is way too high considering what you guys are offering. Maybe I would pay 5 to 10 euros for the package content you mentioned, but in no way more than that.

Anyway, it's a free world, and you can ask whatever price you consider for it, same as I am free to pay whatever cost I think it is fair.

Good luck!

Amazons price is not the price we earn, budy :eek:....
Some seem to forget that. And i doubt, tht you can produce it such for 5-10 Euro, realy :grin:...

Such Add On is work of 4 People for now 5 Months.

But as you mentoined: Free World and nobody is beaten to buy it. Most we sell to our Fans of our Series. We don´t get rich with it, believe me ;).

cheers
Thomas

About the prices, just imaging what the costs are to print a "small" number of maps and manuals,
adding to that the production costs for the box and the dvd and many hours of research and taming the fmb.
Then this price isn't too high if you want to reenact the history.
To fly all this missions takes you longer than to play the sp-part of a more expensive fps, so more fun for the money.
There might be free missions, but usually without a proper researched and documented background.

Because this is worth it for this addon
If you can do it better, so feel free to do it

As you say. I'm not saying you want to get rich through it (even if you might want to), or that the costs and needed human power aren't what you are saying (even if though it doesn't seem like).

I'm just saying that the final outcome, which is a series of (static) missions, of the quality as seen from the demo, are not worth more than 5-10 euros. You are asking for it (again, a few static missions and some skins) 30 euros, which is roughly as the cost of the game itself, which is a thing I find, excuse my frankness, outrageous.

Thats my point, it isn't worth 30 Euros to me. Some have said 5-10. I might be interested in paying something like that to save me the time and trouble but for 30 euros? I can live without it. I only play on line anyway, well 95% of the time.

But as they say about their forum "advert", no-one's beating me to buy it.

LOL...ID never pay that for extra 'missions', its not like there will extra content as in planes that the Il2 series doesnt have..that price is ludicrous

Good luck

with the addon you will get a printed map, manual of the planes in the addon....
You know what that costs? You think you can get this for free ?

Fair enough - is there a cheaper download version? It seems high relative to the cost of the actual game.

Did you get a really good campaigns with the original game? ;)

Well, then, OK, if that's what it costs and you want a map. I'll wait for MG to give me the manuals, although I can buy real pilots notes for a few pounds (actually I've got several already) or read them up in a library.

It doesn't interest me.

Real manual are worthless for the game. Because, do you know if its simulated like in the real world ? If you read a manual of a 109 and try to do this in game, you will be surprised, because it works not like written in the books.
We need manual from the developers, where it is written, as it should be in the game

Fair comment mate but this is IL2 were talking about...The game 'is' old, 'looks' old and 'acts' old so that price just seems to high imo..Maps and notes? I think there is pretty much everything you need for any aircraft or any front in the way of maps that you can DL free?

Even if i were still playing IL2 and ClOD wasnt even here i wouldnt pay for extra missions at that price..no way

No, definitely not... But you do get the game itself, FMs, DMs, planes, online play, offline QMB and the FMB that was used to create these offline campaigns. The game sounds like a bargain in comparison!

Now don't get me wrong - I would pay for offline campaigns but would prefer a cheaper digital version.

So your saying that we dont need or want manuals that are true to life about our fav aircraft but more a manual for how the aircraft would perform in game which is governed by how the Dev team see fit? :confused::rolleyes:

As it is a simulation!! the original documents should work!
If there are discrepancies than those are bugs in the fm that must be corrected.
I would be interested what discrepancies you have uncovered.

It should work, thats correct. But.... :D

I thought this was for CoD?

this addon will be for COD

If you want to try some missions, there is a demo (german lang.)

http://desastersoft.com/download/wick_dundas_demo.zip

http://d3uwin5q170wpc.cloudfront.net...62304_700b.jpg
:grin:

How appropriate

+1
Who the bloody hell would want to pay for a Campaign Add On, when there's guys out there do it for nothing:confused:

could be completely un-related but I remember Luthier saying something about looking forwrd to winter etc, i thought he was refering to the russian front DLC that is coming for CoD. Maybe he was refering to this instead?
If thats the case then my pessimism just took a real nose dive as it points too CoD becoming pure profit-ware.

I won't buy it if they do not fix all major bugs and FM accuracy issues before. it is more than likely that they cannot finish this job before this speculated date.

Dont get me wrong...Im all for DLC as long as its a fair price..A new front with new maps and planeset? well i dont think there wouldnt be a single person here that 'wouldnt' purchase it if the price is right..

but paying for a campaign? :(

Until COD is "finished" im not paying another penny.

How do you all know that this package from desastersoft won't change your opinion and experience of CloD into a drastically positive one?

You might be surprised what a good campaign can do.

You shouldn't be so short-sighted and pessimistic.

I guarantee the dev silence is because they're working on the significant issues that people complain about - online sound, comms, all that stuff.

You people just need to chill, find something else to do in the mean time.

We need to chill? were commenting and giving feedback on this thread/suggestion?

How could you possibly say that a different campaign which there are numerous available and good ones too will make us enjoy ClOD anymore or less than what we do now given its current state..and on top of that we have to pay strong money for it?..No Diff AC, just campaigns.. I doubt it very much

I agree that campaigns make the game more enjoyable yes, but the ones we have are free and are made by the community for the community free, not to make money on..

There are way too many issues with this game yet before we can even start to think about DLC....what would be good about a new front for example with P-51's Gustavs etc if the sound goes, stutters every 10 mins etc etc etc etc

even then if this game was working fine and we had what we expected and the majority of us are happy then paying strong money for a campaign without even different plane sets just takes the biscuit imo

I really enjoyed Desastersofts campaigns: Stern von Afrika und Eismeerjäger for IL2. So if MG fixes the AI and Radio this will be a "must have" for me.

Flying all the missions will put the price/gaming time ratio for that package under 1 EUR/hour, so for me it's ok.

My 2 cents on this.. Ridiculas!!! You guys are asking for money for a expansion that is to be used by a game that STILL has alot of items broken or not working fully! Talk about trying to milk a cow with hardly any milk in it!

And please DON'T tell me that game is fine. It still has a lot of items that are not working or NOT even present at this time. The game STILL needs a few more patches before it is what could be called stable! So before you guys START asking money for a expansion to a game that isnt in a proper state, wait till the game is ironed out.

Honestly i CAN'T believe IC would allow another company to start making and trying to sell products for a game that isnt finished.

Signed
AMAZED!!

Yes its a good video....and?

Finally someone posts what i think since the first DLC announcement.
Good one, and amen to that!
Hopefully we wont gwet banned for that....:rolleyes:

just the video posted
what you expect to say :grin:

You can creat such excellent stuff too ? Including the mission building ? Pls show us your work ?

I didnt say it ''wasnt'' a great video did I? :evil:

And im sure i already said it was a good video? my point is So what?

I thought we were talking about paying for an extra campaign? my bad must be a different thread :rolleyes:

Not only a simple campain ! 5 Campains including some reading stuff and printed maps.
So they have done a good job offering good missions not like you can find it now in the game.
There is nearly nothing for offliners in the game now. Not all players like the online gangbang we have now. Missing coops and offline material is what we have now ( or not ;) ).
They found a way to make the game more interessting for players which prefers not to be part of a balboo.

i actually dont understand some comments in this topic.................Desastersoft build and sold campaigns already for IL2'46. Some people purchased them, for others the free available ones were enough, other flew only online. Nobody complained IIRC.

Why now in IL2:CoD ??
The gamecontent (offline AND online) came, comes and will come always from 3.Party - 1C is making only the technical basis. Some of the 3.Party work for free, some want get some money for thier efforts.

Personaly i have to ad, after exprerince in missionbuilding with IL2'46, the FMB in IL2:CoD might look very similar, but as soon you get deeper behind its features - you are almost lost without special programming knowledge and with the total lack of official documentation. Im curious to see how much free campaigns will be released in the future in comparison the IL2'46 times......................

Only problem is, just like the modders have found.
You can only do a moderate job at these things as the code for the game is still broken meaning their current efforts wont be as good as when the game is fixed and everything works better for them to make stuff with. So i wont buy this time round.

Maybe when the code works properly I'll think about buying a re-written one...maybe.

Be assured, as i've seen in the demo that they've programmed some workarounds, so the bugs of the game are hidden relatively well, as long as you follow the mission parameters.

My credit card is waiting... :cool:
Thanks for your efforts.

nobody is saying those campaigns are not good, they might even be the greatest campaigns ever made (even tough I highly doubt it, considering what I've saw in the demo, il2cod user made campaigns are easily way better than that).

point is, we've paid like 40 euros or something for the FULL IL2CoD game (I've paid like 50 for my collector's edition). that includes a 3D engine, client-server architecture, dedicated server, AI, FM & DM, plane modelling& texturing, terrain modelling & texturing, FMB, mission scripting engine, 2 campaigns and some missions, GUI, sound engine and sounds and so on..

and you are asking 30 euros for 3 campaigns (because the other 3 are the same, just with less planes/vehicles) and some texturing, and call it a fair trade?!!

whoever is so fool to pay that price for them, be my guest, we're in a free world.

but to come in here, and claim that is a fair price for what the user would get in exchange is simply outrageous! have you no shame, or you consider us so stupid, that we can't even grasp the insult?!!

is not our problem that you can't reduce the costs, as it would not be our problem if someone would want to sell us a 1 euro bread for 100 because "those were his costs". I am totally for 3rd party IL2CoD development, but at a fair price in exchange for what we're offered, if you want to sell more than a few units..

even more, economics also learn us that fooling 100 individuals to pay those waay overpriced 30 euros would earn you less in the end than sell it to a few thousands individuals (which is the real potential market target for Il2 CoD 3rd party addons at this time) for a fair price which should be 5-10 euros.. it's a simple math..

and in the end, we want respect, same as we're offering. you can come, and present us your offer, and we can give you our feedback, and buy it if we find it a good trade and if we want to. but please, do not insult us or our intelligence with claims like the above.

sounds different:
"6 Campaigns in two Versions: Low (for low end Computers) and High (for medium and power mashines)

Fighter Aces! Major Helmut Wick - 25+ Missions
Fighter Aces! Flight Lieutenant J. C. Dundas - 13 Missions
No. 609 Squadrons - Spitfire - 42 Missions
No. 111 Squadron - Hurricanes - 27+ Missions
Erprobungsgruppe 210 - ME 110 - Fighter Bombers over England - 30 Missions
3./JG 2 "Richthofen - Bf 109 - 40 Missions"

for me its actually 6 campaigns , each of them has a heavy and light version.

yes, my mistake, they seem indeed to be six, if that's the case, but this fact doesn't change the dates of the problem at all

that should be the decission of everyone of his own IMHO

one knows what one gets, one knows the price - one can decide. Dont understand the 'fuss' about it ?!

and if one is able to find a better offline experiece for free, the better it is ! :)

"Worth" is a very subjective term.
If someone has a lot of fun with this add-on, then perhaps for him it is worth the money?

Well, some people here dont know the value of honest work, it seems.
Spending 20, with popcorn and soda, 30 bucks for a evening in the cinema with the madam is ok, but spending 30 bucks for at least 30 hours fun is too expensive.
The values are distorted, or somebody is jealous that someone might earn some money with this "incomplete, broken software".

Fair points but relative to the cost of the base game, which is the real comparator, it is a lot. Again, is there a cheaper dl only version?

I'd settle for more FPS & the Ai aircraft now as flyables..

you've spoken without thinking, mate.

unfortunately for your words, I am working in a game development company, for almost 10 years by now, as lead game-designer, senior-producer and project manager. don't tell me I don't know what game development means, or honest work.

i think the real ones not knowing the values of our honest work are the ones asking those prices for almost in-existent return value, like most of today's game DLC's, or 3rd party addons like this one, and claiming it's a "fair" price for their work.

PS: and now, regarding your "comparison", it seems you don't know your values in other domains neither.. 30 bucks for an evening in the cinema with madam will also bring you sex (a thing most men will do lots of things to get, and a thing no il2cod addon can't bring you ever) and also might bring you love, marriage, children and all the rest.. home alone again?!!

Thats not the same??? :D :D :D

You are not to determine the value for this!!! The buyer/user is the only authority to determine the value it has for him!
This is no hardware where the value is more or less fixed.

And thats the point were it gets really expensive :D :D :D

Fun beside, what do you think the work of 4 - 5 People for 3 - 4 Months is worth?
Implemented the work was full time, 5 days a week.
Maybe around 60.000 €

And how many add-ons have to be sold for a net gain, say 2,50€/DVD (educated guess)
That would be about 24.000 copies, in a niche-market, with many people thinking like you.

Oh yes, they will get rich beyond belive.

Even if the net-gain were 10€ they must sell at least 6000 copies to get even before starting in the win-zone.

This isn't a self selling fps with millions of copies.

It doesn't matter how much their costs are, its the products worth that counts.

if somebody has to climb up a extra tall tree to get a apple and everyone else climbs a normal tree, he cant charge more for his apple.

its still a apple.

They are people making great campaigns for free, FREE!

If these campaigns are worth the money they will succeed, if they are not then they wont.

Spot on furbs. 'Worth' in a market context is exactly what you can persuade people to pay for something, not what it cost you to make it. If it costs you more to produce than you can charge then you either a) take a loss, b) don't make it in the first place or c) figure out how to make it more efficiently. Not rocket science.

I suspect these guys should provide a download version (i.e. no boxed stuff) for a reduced cost to capture the guys who just aren't going to pay full price. Why not? It wouldn't cost much more to implement and would bring in more revenue. Charge 10 euro for the download version and you will get a lot more people buying it and that's 10 euro they wouldn't have had otherwise.

actually, he can, but no sane person will pay the price for it, unless is a very special apple. which is not the case.

fanboism seems to drown common-sense and kill reasonable judgement on these days..

Maybe if they post a video showing the "work arounds for the AI and bugs and show the special features " then maybe its worth more than a normal apple.

Are you guys always arguing about the value and price of your fuel at the gas station or the real value of your shoes which are made for 5USD in China and sold to you for 150 and start to argue with the salesmen, because the other shop offered similar shoes for 120?

A discussion is nice as long as you are not talking in circles and repeating the broken disc all over again. It`s you choice, take it or leave it - the market sets the price. ;)

BTW: As long as CoD has not something close to the RoF campaign I will not even look into any CoD campaign, but others have other priorities. .

Yeah, I would definitely pay 30 euros for a true dynamic campaign.

I've, reasonably, i believe, explained where the "outrageous" price comes from.

I've also written that the buyer/user determines the value of the content.

You start name calling, very poor style!

again, I have nothing against those prices, you are free to ask whatever price you want to.

I just commented against insisting in presenting it as a fair trade and price, which is nothing short of outrageous (specially considering what I saw from the demo). if you want to name this "calling names", be my guest, it is a free world.

And also, I would be extremely interested to see you making public the real number of the actual buyers once you'll launch it.

just to let us witness the outstanding success of this product :)

I believe you are mistakenly affiliate me with Desastersoft, for clarification: i am in no way associated with those guys!
I just stood up against the defilation of their work by the "know it betters".

this implies otherwise.. and if you commented as an outsider, I fail to see why your "expertise" would be better than mine, considering the fact that i am working in game development industry..

The difference is that i also can calculate, make educated guesses as you do, but i dont denigrate something, sitting on a high horse of real or imagined knowledge.

And you've proved the value of your "expertise" when you tried to fix the value of experience.

There will be buyers and they will evaluate this add-on, that is what counts, nothing else.

So please stop trying to put a bad light on this software that you don't plan to own.

Do you own this software Robtek?

As one can only preorder atm, no.
But i've preordered based on my experience with the demo.

I also played the demo and found the missions to be well done and quite playable.
But in no way do they do anything different or offer any fix's(though the full product may differ) that other free to play missions or 3rd party campaigns gave me.

What makes you so certain that they are worth the price?

I mean what do they offer compared to the free to play missions don't?

When i fly offline i like to reenact historical flights, this i find, well researched, in this add-on.

I haven't found the likes for free. The free missions i know concentrate more on the action than historical reality.

Further i look forward to the maps with the correct grid-markings, making it more immersive when you plot your flight with stopwatch and compass.

What i found is i.e. that by ordering you to a special point after landing, the mission is closed correctly.

Granted i can see where your coming from and yes i woudl expect that to multiply your enjoyment 10 fold for this game considering the lack of content available presently..

I just think its a bit steep thats all £££ wise

Money spent resulting in enjoyment, is spent well, imo.
That is, when you have extra money to spend. :D :D :D
I am not "well off" but i don't have to pinch every penny also.