OT: What do you think of this?
 

Hi all,

Hope it's okay to discuss here.
Gaijin has just announced a new MMO flight simulation game, World of Planes.
There's a new website as well.

What do you think?

MAC

http://www.worldofplanesgame.com

http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/...nesWebsite.jpg

I hope it's ok to discuss too but inevitably as has been demonstrated in this community 'all hell will break loose'

but my 2 cents on this are:

it will be another wings of prey......kind of pretty to look at but nothing behind the eyes, generic flight models and engine sounds that have only 2 pitches high/low rpm and aimed more at the console style player.

Oleg will be pissed.

good marketing and interesting website.... wish il2 had the same. wont comment on the game while i havent played it.

If it's gonna follow the same model as World of Tanks then it will be a success. Last time I logged at WoT there were about 28.000 players online, stark contrast to CloD's average of 10-20 players.:)

it will be another wings of prey


+1

Hi bongodriver,

I won't argue with it if the moderators of this forum won't allow discussion of another company's games here. It's just that I saw DCS A10 Black Shark was discussed here without problems, and personally think that relevant OT discussions can help to keep a forum vibrant and alive.

It remains to be seen how much they will evolve from their first take on a PC flight simulation game. IL-2 was also not perfect when it came out first but saw steady improvements, which I'm sure everybody will agree are still ongoing and necessary even with their latest title.

Anyway, thanks for your opinion!

MAC

why do you SPAM this here?? noone is interested in the forum where you are a MOD ?? you and other over there where very happy when firstly CoD come out and was really buggy... Alot of guys there pissed on 1C, so why we should look at this? I'll pass...

Hopefully World of Planes will be a success, especially if they will improve on what they delivered with WOP. There is usually no problem discussing other sims on this forum, until the fans of other sims come into these forums and suggest home much better their sim is than this one. Then your bound to get an argument. If you want to degrade a sim you'll get a much better reception in your own forum.

Well I signed up for a beta, with right touches I see potential in it. With a right amount of realism and a twist of mmo they might be on to something.

But it remains to be seen what they can deliver..

Bold statements. I get the feeling I would have heard these before. :grin:

Looks like a new Wings of Prey. Does not come close to CoD.

as long as they make simulations no problem with me
hopefully not an arcade game:grin:

From their site. That's one hell of a goal, don't believe it till I see it I guess...

Hi albx,

I don't know what makes you think I should have been happy about CoD's problems. This is not so. I like CoD, it's an amazing project, and I wish it every success.

MAC

A good massive multiplayer ww2 flying game is badly needed. Aces high is milking what's left of it's community with a game from 1999.
If they don't dumb it down too much I'll play it.:grin:

I still remember the excitement of going with 30 plane mission under the radar deep in enemy teritory to attack some high value targets, when you know there are 250 players in the enemy team that, if detected, could all come to ruin your day.:lol:

I signed up for the beta. :)

Thanks Chivas,

The A10 thread on this forum is a very good example of how another sim may be discussed in a great way. Noone there is in the degrading business, very pleasant and informative.

MAC

I don't mind World of Planes being successful, quite the opposite. But judging by the concessions World of Tanks does to "fun" I just can't see it as a realistic flight sim.

I will indeed buy it just to support the development of more flight sims. Creating a false market if you will just so the bean counters will say they can justify the expense of further development of more flight sims. But for me its a game I will end up owning but use the disk as a drink coaster.

Looks like this is going to be a real cheap purchase for you then, as announced it will be 'Subscription Free'. You'll need to look for some other drink coaster.
;)

MAC

S!

I like World Of Tanks a lot and of course as masochist play the German tanks ;) So checked this out and signed up for beta..if lucky enough to get in :) If done right this can be a success. Never enough WW2 sims :)

It will probably be free, but it will either require you buying plane upgrades or investing lots of time for acquiring them in "free" way. I.e. lots of people would choose to buy Tiger tank killer Mustang and get instant gratification, instead of working their way with P40 and lesser planes.

+1000

What's all this 'at least I can play a beta instead of buying an alpha' stuff that gets throw around all the time, at the end of the day what difference does it make which part of the time line the money gets spent? the outcome is the same.....money is spent!

You're right, the assumption that the game would be free is speculative on my part. All they have said for now is that it will be subscription free. Could imagine though that there will be a basic free version where you start with a limited number of airplanes and armament, and by playing can work your way up toward other airplanes and configurations. It's clear that they'd have to earn somewhere, in other F2P games this is done by having a game currency and making micropayments when you want more content. If enough people play and are eager to progress this could pay off instead of the full price game model. I find the idea interesting, it could attract a lot of people to the genre since the basic content is free. On the other hand, this bears the danger that the game could become too simple to impress sim players.

Again, purely speculative here.

MAC

Yeah....I'm sorry but this reeks of going down a MMO console style affair.

and subsequently putting another nail in the true flight sim coffin.

and what about Birds of Steel? do you think it will be simple like this or WoP? I'm afraid that everytime a title is build for consoles and PC it is arcade

Hi bongodriver,

Wouldn't paint the future quite so black. IF the business model is as I have speculated, Gaijin would naturally have to attract a LOT of people to break even with the game. This would mean that they couldn't make the game too difficult because that would put too many newcomers off. Due to the continuous world nature of the game Gaijin would need to run their own dedicated servers with a set difficulty. So far, so bad.

However, two points which may help see this in a more optimistic light:

1. Even if the game would turn out Super Arcadey (which I hope it will not), this would still bring a lot of people to the genre of WWII flight who might otherwise have not found their own way here otherwise. And many of those would be here to stay, and find their way to more demanding flight simulations.

2. Gaijin could decide to run several parallel worlds with different sets of difficulties, from Arcade to something closer to a more realistic flight simulation, although it would remain to be seen how good of a simulation they could deliver.

In any case, what's to be feared by Cliffs of Dover? There's always an elite that gets fed by a broad basis. If CloD is the Rolls Royce of flight simulations, it doesn't need to worry about all the Mazdas, Renaults and VWs around.

MAC

Hi albx,

I don't know how ambitious Birds of Steel will be. I'd expect it to be better than Birds of Prey was, but how much of a flight simulation it will become remains to be seen. In any case, I think even Birds of Prey was a wonderful way to bring people who happen to play on consoles in touch with the genre. There's still a good community there who love the game, of which some have migrated to Cliffs of Dover.

The difference this time between Birds of Steel and World of Planes will be greater though. Wings of Prey was clearly a port from the console version which was done after the console version was finished. Difference there was that Wings of Prey saw additional development, however the gameplay remained restricted pretty much to what it was on consoles.

World of Planes and Birds of Steel are parallel developments right from the start. Of course they would share common resources (it would be madness if they wouldn't), but World of Planes looks quite like a different concept which is taking the greater possiblilties of the PC/MAC platforms into account.

I would hope it has something interesting to offer even for the more sophisticated simmers.

MAC

Exactly...

What simulations?.....once the console genre kills the sim genre off.

again this doesn't fill me with confidence, sounds expensive and the modern generation tend to be too lazy to seek new 'challenges' the console genre gives them a 'quick fix' there is no tweaking this and that, they have no interest in history, instead of learning real tactics they would prefer to be able to hit 'x+o+left thumb button' to pull off some radical move, and all this spoon fed to them in a packaged environment with a sweet coating of hollywood pazzaz!

Rather than Rolls Royce how about the general British car industry, it's just barely twitching and life support is ready to be turned off, all thanks to the likes of mazda etc....

MAC what do want to accomplish by this thread in the middle of the Cliffs of Dover forum? Are you taking a survey of people over here that would be interested with the billboard ad you've so kindly erected for us? Personally I only have room in my brain for one sim at a time and this hasn't been released yet.
http://www.us.ayushveda.com/wp-conte...Flatulence.jpg

No more of an advert than DCS, Falcon 4.0, Rise of Flight, FSX, many of which get posts, but many that do not get flamed?

Seems we can only have one interest in one sim and not share any news with anyone if it is barely OT.

I thought CloD users enjoyed Flying games with WW2 Combat? How is World of Planes so-far off topic and worthy of 'Flaming', when RoF is WW1, FSX is not WW anything and DCS is effectively future combat.

Why is it that if you share an opinion about anything outside of the CloD remit it is seen as an advert rather than passing on news to those who like to live in a world without blinkers!

Cheers MAC, appreciate the time and thought it took to pass on news, sadly many 'purists' now how the game already plays and what it looks like without the next 12-months of development. Impressive! I suppose they have learned from years of development only to be disappointed with the final result?

MP

I said I will buy it re-read my previous post above. I collect them all just so I can have a part in supporting all sims. I always do.

And yes I do notice the plugs in here for these others as well.

Interestingly there is this same plug in the Birds of Prey forums but I didn't find one in the IL-2 Sturmovik forums. Why were our brothers other there left out of this fine release? They would love this. Please notify them.

And if it does, it will be 3rd person only :)

Sorry, but this looks utter XXXX:

http://www.worldofplanesgame.com/upl...2023.31.41.jpg

Who did the model for that 109, a retarded child?

http://gaijinent.com/en/navigation/15/

Lot's of fun stuff there for the kiddies.

timej31,

this is an OT thread, discussing news of a game of the same genre and the same time period. If you don't want to think of more than one simulator at a time, nobody forces you to read this thread or join the discussion.

I have said before that I hope it's okay to discuss this here, and if it's not and a moderator disallows it I won't argue about it. However there are other sims discussed OT on this forum without problem in a pleasant and informative manner. So, I was discussing.

I feel I have done or said nothing here that's insulting or derogatory to anyone and that would call for a reaction such as yours. That's just uncalled for.

MAC

Not really a revolutionary concept, WWII online has been going since 2001ish (yes i know its FPS), the level of detail expected in a sim/game like this will dictate the flying aspect is no better than games like ARMAII or battlefield 2 etc...

Well I'm excited if only for the fact, that there will be a new WW11 flight combat sim to check out. They have a good chance of putting together a decent sim, I hope they have success...just flying above infantry is going to be a cool aspect for me.:grin:

MAC I have not been anything but completely supportive of all sims regardless. As I said in my very first reply to this off topic thread "I will indeed buy it just to support the development of more flight sims." I also alluded to the fact that "I will end up owning but I will (like many others sitting my desk right now) use the disk as a drink coaster".

Why don't you request they create a forum for these post in the root of this site rather than selectively placing them into the Cliffs of Dover forums? As I said before I never saw this in the IL-2 Sturmovik forums. I am still waiting for this to appear over there so we do not discriminate or forget about them. I know they will absolutely love it.

Whatever it takes ya know. I don't care. I will support the business only because I want more development in this but I still stand by what I said earlier. I will do it only for you and the others that play it even though I will probably end up giving it away to someone else.

They have a dedicated forum, I think an OT thread here doesn't hurt anyone, it only brings awareness to people, of the development.

http://forum.gaijinent.com/index.php...rld-of-planes/ :grin:

Well if it wasn't off topic I would love to post that I have a nice water cooled gaming rig for sale on eBay and it's only $500. I will even pick up the shipping charges. But I wont post that here. You can see how quickly that can get out of hand. You allow it for this but not for that. And just as good a case for allowing the PC selling in here that is perfect for Cliffs of Dover can be made as that game was for posting here. Where do you draw the line? The goalpost move a lot.

timej31,

I can't see why you objected so strongly to the discussion here, especially since you say you're supportive of new developments. I'm not aware of you objecting OT discussions of other sims.

Since you asked why I haven't posted this info on the IL-2 forum, the answer is that I never played IL-2 and am not familar with that forum. I'm however interested in CoD and am here very frequently.

MAC

I wonder if the favour will be reciprocated on Gajin's forums? or will it be the obligatory s**tfest? lets face it Cliffs has had so many knives in the back from every other flight sim community yet people still can't resist the urge to s**t on the doorstep here.

thanks for the link. it looks like gajin have made a comic strip aswell. not as good as the dover chronicles though.

another prop sim
coooooooool :cool:

no exhaust flames!!!
forget it!!!




:-D