Advice for aviators switching to Simulation Mode
 

The learning curve of Simulation Mode might come off to some as a quagmire of new unattainable skills. The three major questions that frequently visit my ears are. . . .

Q) ”How do I find the Enemy?”
A)Hit the button that is assigned to your Map and point your plane towards the red dots for fighters and or triangles for fighters.

Q) “How can I tell if it’s a friendly?”
A)You might not like this, but you need to get close enough to distinguish the color markings on the potential target you are following.

Q) “Why do I keep stalling?”
A)You might be stalling for reasons
1.You might be pulling back on the stick too hard.
2.You might have lost too much air speed in a turn (you’re turning too tight for the abilities of your plane to manage.
3.You made a tight abrupt turn without having your combat flaps down.

OK now for the real tips which I will make as direct as possible.

1. Climbing in a loop when you are being followed will get you killed about 95% of the time.

2. Climbing after a pilot you are following you give you about a 95% chance of killing them, unless you are being follow by his wingman (he is the part of the 5%). Who will most likely shoot you down after you down his mate or prior too denying you the kill.

3. Shoot in short burst! The initial burst of your armament will exit the muzzle of your guns in a synchronized volley if you took an accurate shot, He will turn into a flamer or a puzzle. Shooting in short bursts also helps you range and lead the target. In a zoom and boom situation hold down the trigger at were you think your target is going to be, and stop shooting after your sights have reached the mid tale section of his craft.

4. If you dive as close to the deck as survivable-ly possible cut the throttle engage combat flaps or even drop your landing gear, engage your landing flaps, pull your landing gear back up and pull back on the stick in a reciprocal correlation as your closing speed to the ground. If done properly you will hear the loud crash of your former aggressor. After this rise your flaps or they will be jammed. Landing flaps also help with tight slow turns but will jam if your going to fast.

5. Backing in one direction gives your aggressor the ability, and time to hone in his guns on you. It also keeps your wing mates from angling in on your enemy’s six. Going in one direction usually gets you killed because you disallow your wing mates from helping you.

6. When attacking a B-17 attack from the belly so you pull up at close to a 85/90 degree angle as possible when firing your weapons you have to time this right he has to be close or you will have to lead. Once you have overshot the bomber keep moving away from your target you want to arch around the B-17 if you stop at his six and try to down him guess what? You’re dead or very lucky. Aim for the wings and between two of the engines this gives you a higher chance of downing that bomber. Zoom and boom same thing kinda (works real well with rockets). Dive down from behind while leading your target way ahead of it; moving in the same direction (numb n#*s) at a 45/60 degree angle. Shoot for the wings and in between two of the engines you want to make it seem you will crash into it but don’t . Once you have overshot keep going he won’t be able to hit you (Rinse wash repeat) >====D <BomberLOW Direction -> X<FighterHIGH destination ->

7. Well I have to get to bed so I work at 6am have to wake up at 4am I will edit this some more fix spelling issues and give you guys more tips. Mee tired!:(

Q) “How can I tell if it’s a friendly?”
A)You might not like this, but you need to get close enough to distinguish the color markings on the potential target you are following.

hello " fw190d9 great ace"

totally agree with u,i just add a way to identified friends or ennemies quickly,in fact try to study and remenber the silhouettes of the ww2 planes in the books or internet (it is easy and fun if u love ww2 planes),before the game start try to see what planes the ennemies used and try to kill them .
if there are the same planes in the two teams the qblackdeathq solution is the best ,i think.

see u soon guys

Olife 100%!
key to recognise enemy in team battle is:

1) remember what type of plane are in the enemy team
2) recocgnise their wing shape and silhouettes from distance ( Get used how the game engine switches between plane level of details lol )

Getting closer is dangerous and leads to a certain death or damage by wingmates.

Or, if you wanna cheat, just shoot a short brust near the unknown plane and examine it from the target camera that open at bottom right of the screen, lol :-P ( don't do that, it's a joke )

Or, if you wanna cheat, just shoot a short brust near the unknown plane and examine it from the target camera that open at bottom right of the screen, lol :-P ( don't do that, it's a joke )[/QUOTE]

hello vdomini great ace,
hehehe!!looool!!exelent joke!!

yesterday night i was ridiculous with the friendly fire!i shoot 3 times the same wingman ,themeistor,happy for me this guy is a gentleman ,i feel very stupid...
exuse me again themeistor...

hello vdomini great ace,
hehehe!!looool!!exelent joke!!

yesterday night i was ridiculous with the friendly fire!i shoot 3 times the same wingman ,themeistor,happy for me this guy is a gentleman ,i feel very stupid...
exuse me again themeistor...[/QUOTE]



Let me add that themeistor is getting very very good!! It's an awesome pilot! i've had very nice 1 vs 1 battle with him yesterday

Yes silhouettes are a good to know but somtimes you have some of the same planes on both sides best way is to visualy ID the targets color. back in the day guns were ranged at about 100 yards were the rounds would cross. wing mates are a problem and that is why you have yours to get behind you the target must be infront of your wing mate. :cool:

"4. If you dive as close to the deck as survivable-ly possible cut the throttle engage combat flaps or even drop your landing gear, engage your landing flaps, pull your landing gear back up and pull back on the stick in a reciprocal correlation as your closing speed to the ground. If done properly you will hear the loud crash of your former aggressor. After this rise your flaps or they will be jammed. Landing flaps also help with tight slow turns but will jam if your going to fast."


which planes have combat and landing flaps?

some pretty good advice tho and is pretty dead on from the times i have flown sim. hardest part is target aquision. if you can see them or keep your eye on them you have fighting chance. if not you are going to be flying silk rather than a plane.

All have them in sim on PS3 mate: raised, combat and should the landing gear be down landing flaps. Save for fixed undercarriage (eg stuka) which dont have combat flaps.

oh ok...thought you had 2 flap settings available at tjhe same time. but gear up is combat and gear down is landing..gotcha

That's true. If a pilot is not sure, at the beginning is better to get close enough to spot the plane wing color before shooting, but after a while, when you get used to how game display planes on screen and map, knowing silhouettes and wing shapes and map usage is the best way to make sure you're hitting the right target. And, most important thing, to know what plane chase miles before getting at "wing color recognisable distance". I know that in real, most air battle was won by team work, wingman helping and covering each other... it would be very funny to try using some team / wingman tactics against enemy, maybe all wearing headset. In my opinion, of course! Thanks for the advices!

SEE YOU SOON!

yea bro no problem. and lol i fly drunk too ask around! you cant understand me but i can still shoot."emeni 6 shit sooht em i do dive em ahme brakeeee whoot yeahhhh! downed him like a shot of whiskey!!

Also I would like to add.. Far anyone that may be new to this game and playing it online.. If you jump strait to sim DO NOT fly with the P-51.. I feel a lot of noobs try this plane online thinking it is the best and they get horribly violated by planes they have never heard of and they get discouraged.. The P-51 is a plane that takes a special skill that I have just now recently started to get good at.. You have to maintain a lot of momentum and fly at a high rate of speed before almost any manuever... This plane is definately capable of doing serious damage, however do as I did and go to training with the P-51B vs 16 spitfires.. Once you can accomplish this, then maybe you are ready to try it online.... The plane is awsome just not at low speeds in a turning battle ;)

horribly violated?not in my match!!

That happened in one of Brickster's matches, not yours ;)

I felt sorry for those newbs :( :lol:

Anyway that is good advice from Blackdeath.
Don't forget you can look at the map too to acertain between friend and foe. When I boom and zoom I check before the dive that the spoted plane is red on the map. If there is red and green together, I try to spot both planes then match their positions on the map which tells me whether my friend is chasing or being chased and then I attack the enemy (or leave him if my friend is about to finish him).

Yeah the stuka only has landing flaps, but I'm pretty sure the I-16 , I-153 and Po-2 have NO flaps and also no trimmer.

Thats one thing I like about the Mustang, is it is one of the few planes to have aileron trim so you can negate the torque of the engine.

O man the P-51B/D's are great at low speed turns. You just need to know how to use it. It has a very low stall speed like 130- or somthing. You can also slow down faster then most fighters giving you the op to have a tango over shoot you landing you on his 6. I have seen alot of vet pilots put it into a spinn to slow down most new players will tend to over shoot. Then the pilot corrects and is on you like stink on a skunk.

Agree!

In few word.... P51 is hard and turn terrible! But the engine is good and have good performance. Turn fighting is not the 51 key to win battle... but it is still fun to fly. In my opinion of course. I wanna try that vs 16 spitfire... good idea!!!

MMhhh. Macademic created 51 purist club.... you the Jg52.... i am consdiering to create the Drunk Flyer Club!

Members:
Vdomini
QblackdeatQ

lol!!!


p.s.: Kill you later!!! :-)

The engine power is actually quite average with rather slow aceleration which is one reason why its so important to stay fast or high. If you become slow and low it will take you a minute or so to recover altitude, and all that time you are basicly a sitting duck for any other fighter. Diving is the only way the Mustang can get up a good speed which it can maintain in level flight quite well. The Mustang does lose this momentum very quick if you start turning or use a lot of rudder though. If you want to stay alive its more important to use the extra speed to run until your safe to use the extra speed you have left to gain altitude again and plan your next atack.

Not sure how you got the impression that the Mustang is good in low speed turns? It's quite a heavy fighter with thin wings so its stalling speed is much higher than say - a hurricane. It does have very good landing flaps though which help to slow you down like you said VERY quickly and when used with rudder and hard turns its like hitting a brick wall lol. Usefull as a last resort to cause an overshoot but also extremly good for CTA games. You can go from 300+mph to landed in no time at all.

Thanks for hints, i 100% agree with you, especialli in "good speed which it can maintain in level flight quite well" :) great!

Most New pilots wont have any idea How to use it, which was my Original Point.. However from reading the forums I feel it may be a good idea for them to get into a match with you and spectate your flying. That is atleast how I learn...

Maybe not. However I have seen people that were new try the P-51, get completely dominated for a few matches and never play again.. Most of them also try to play on full sensitivity... I always try to help them, but it takes patience and some people don't have that...

Yes agreed there are still alot of bugs in the game regarding controls as custom controls are crud when you try to use a joystick. I tried to configure the thrustmaster hotas x, and no dice. Wish they just gave you something like the thrustmaster setting `1 and 2 but would allow you to edit nonlinearity, and dead zones would be even neater if the sensitivity settings worked after editing your settings it seems to only work with the pad. The P-51 Club uses custom settings and full sensitivity so they have a bit more control over the plane. As you said it need practice and patience but unfortunately if you have a joystick you can’t use costume setting effectively.

or an xbox 360 :mad:

Advice for an Av8tor switching from realistic to sim?

Dont try anything fancy
Buy some glasses
Buy a bigger TV
or Buy a projector

I have been on this forum for a long time but its time to let lose on some on some thoughts on this.
I have heard all this crap for so long about how great sim is and how the other modes are somehow inferior, I am really tired of that stuff.
I want manoeuvres and dogfighting not hiding in the clouds or down on the deck. I want to know who shot me not a random burst from some guy who was flying past.
I like arcade mode, I like realistic too.

Anyway I have had enough. Cheers guys

funny i never heard anybody say what mode is superior,fly whatever in whatever mode you want,have fun.

Ok, ok I hear ya! And all I understand is that.
I don't like to take the extra effort to track my own targets manually I am so dim whited that I need the AI to tell me what to do! Having to do things for yourself is too realistic so I still like living with my parents. Things that are too hard aren't wort doing! Well I say! If you have mastery over arcade and realistic its time for you to step up. AS I Say things in live which are worth doing aren't suppose to be easy! You have to challenge yourself and consistently evolve to stay above the curve. What you just said is that “ I am not good at sim so I am not even going to try because its too hard! F everyone who feels sorry for themselves step it up and be a man stop crying because your not good at something at the start. Make yourself stronger, Adapt and overcome! Join JG-52!!!! just send me message!

we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender! I am sorry you disagree dkwookie

Wow finally someone who thinks the same as me. Sim is the top level in this game and to all u people who say we r just ground huggers and u want to perform manuevers and know who shot u, that's just garbage. The reasons combat has evolved into a ground war are 3 fold. Firstly the dive speeds r ridiculously slow, there is no chance of separation in this game. Secondly the god damn map icons which is basically onboard radar. Lastly the displaying of a black dot, your plane, at ranges that r unrealistic. In this game u can c spots over a mile away which was not possible in reality. Sim mode on the ps3 is still way 2 easy and i do not understand how anyone can argue this point.

let me throw a spin on this...or ask a simple question. how many of you have actually been up in an aircraft? taken it off...landed? had it under your control? if you have then i wont have to tell you that the ONLY thing about sim that SIMULATOR and remotely close to real life, is target acquisition ( providing you dont use the map feature!). air combat was predominately all about the bounce! if you saw the enemy ac without them seeing you could sneak up on his 6 nice and close or make a diving pass and smoke them! in this game the guys here who have learned the tricks of sim play use that to their advantage and do exceedingly well. its a different difficulty and takes time to learn..but dont think that "sim" makes you more of an expert or its more to true life than realistic mode by any stretch of the imagination. without something like TRACKIR ( that is actually a HUGE factor), blackouts, redouts, stall shaking, compressibility, the heaviness of flight controls real and sim are virtually the equal in being devoid of real flight characteristics. the difference is the settings to begin with. fly real...no hud...no map...no target camera or tracking....and depending on the ac adjust the sensitivities and its just as hard as any sim game...but you dont have flaps ( they arent used correctly in sim anyway). fly sim NO map ( or any other way to detect EAs if you want "hard")... that levels he playing field. you may fly for weeks..months without a kill or even a shot that would be truer to life...many a high scoring ace has been shot down by more rookie pilots who bounced them. your kills would be worth something. each mode of this "game" has its limits and confines. different people due to their nature gravitate to one of the 3. it is not an issue of which 1 is better or harder...or more closer to actual flight...its just more enjoyable for you and that reason YOU bought this game was to enjoy it. challenge yourself and be triumphant. but lets not bash OTHERS who plays different modes or try to make ourselves better for playing one. lets let people experience this great "game" and enjoy it in the manner which they choose without laying on them some guilt trip or bash rap on them .... or online play for this "game" will cease to be. make it unpleasant, gentlemen, and they will leave....and then who will you fly with?

sigh
 

i don't like sim either wookie, i only play it when my friends do. Generally i find i don't like the ground hugging or the large numbers of guys who fly il10s; because they can't figure out how to hit with forward guns or they are just so bad they need the extra gun.
This is a game not a simpod, having been in a simpod and a a aircraft i can say simulator doesn't come close, because pilots have necks that turn easily without any thought this game doesn't give any sense of that.
My advice for some one coming to sim; if you can't shoot without target lock don't bother or just fly an il10 around you'll win plenty of games
either way like all the other modes it is not perfect and has it's flaws

S*ite ................... you f*cked me over one of the first times i played sim knowing i was new to sim you heard me and Brigg chat, plus he was talking me through the game it was a dog fight in the sicily map and now i will very very very rarely play sim ............... and yes it was for the entire 20mins was fought 10 to 250 ft off the deck...... FACT!!

when i do play sim its the strike missions Gilly, shadow, McQ, kav ect ect miss playing realistic IMO its a great balance of all the aspects of the game the PS3 is a consule after all ......... for me the game needs more wookie amazing player (and top bolke into it) at this and ive also been missing from the skies been playing other games i really like this game and miss playing it online as much but its a progression i suppose :(

been practising off line and just cant quite get the hang of it ............ lol managed to master landings :p but the rest im struggeling would rather just load it up and fly!!!

just my 2ps worth

scotty :)

Very well put Bobbysocks. U r correct on all points. Let's c what the pc sequel holds in store. It is funny that the pc version has the same ground hugging combat despite completely different flight and weapon characteristics. Both versions feel like a first person shooter being played out by aircraft, using terrain to hide behind and trying to sneak up on your target. All in all it was an excellent first release by these developers and lets judge them by their next output to see what they have learned.

Thats going to work just right then for Apache air assault.

hello gordon i haven't seen you playing this game on ps3 for ages! You disappeared from my friend list again months ago with no reason... how are you? what's up in Canada?


Let me say my opinion about flying low.

I fly low if i have to: if repawn time is 5 or less second and i don't have time to gain altitude safetly or the sky above me is not clear and climbing will make me an easy target. Also, my thoughs about flying through trees have been already posted lol ( http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthr...ht=flying+tree )

If i can i gain altitude as soon and fast as i can, it gives me more option during combat. I can easily hit a plane that is flying low under me if i spot it and i fly from 150 to 300 meter more than him. And spotting low plane flying is easy at that height.

I have discovered that a lot of player just dive with no reason at the beginning of the game. WRONG! There's not point in loosing altitude with no reason! It will just make them an easy prey for who's flying above, that can dives upside down killing them easily.


You can play this game in many way, but, in my opinion, thinking about the game just as a kind of "a first person shooter being played out by aircraft" will reduce your combat option, and, after all, the fun. And, of course, that's a game after all, so, take it easy mate!

hope to see you again in the bop sky, by bye!

Right said bobby! I agree with you and, answering your question, YES, i have been up in an aircraft by my own :) I have got the license. Taking off... and of course landing :), flying only in VFR ( visual flight rules ) and i have a little idea of how a plane would appear in the sky, i have been trained how to check the space that surround the plane for safety reason, i know what's the feeling of flying just below the clouds line etc etc etc, i could write for hours eheheh

I have done a couple of loops also ( i was not the pilot that day, aircraft used to have double seat, i was not able and allowed to pull aereobatic manouver with my current flying license ) and i've felt a some G on my body.

All simulator game on any platform hardly take in count of the stress your body can take during flying.

Thinking of the stress that real ww2 pilot have suffered inside their little cockpit makes me shiver! Real world and real war is very different, we all know that i hope.

Have a nice day!

bobby ive also flow mainly air experience fights, airobatics ect ect bout 4 or 5 hours in a de hav chipmunk and a Bulldog Series 120 ;)

Then you must have been an Air Cadet?