Please jasonbirder.... you don't know anything about the "online community" and even less about what is important to keep it strong... all your posts only show your ignorance about this.
Now about "offliners"... thei're not responsible for anything, and will not be for anything regarding online community.
Qtim tools do exist and are available to everybody. Nobody can change that, and so nobody will. Every "modder" that want ot escape quality control and perform "free modding" can do it, and use Qtim tools for this. This is not going to change.

That set... why are you concerned about "Onliners concern" (that can be adressed only by M:1C, in a form of a "CRT:3" check option) ?.... take a deep breath, think 5mn about it and tell me in what it is a problem for you?

If you really take the time to think about it, you'll see that most of this discussion is totally useless, that none of your concern is threated, and that it would be much more adequate to stop talking about what you don't know, and especially stop spitting on the "online community" with scorning argument like "which cannot trust itself to behave in a fair and mature fashion", etc....
I assure you it doesn't have any other effect than fuelling a flamming discussion.

I don't know one onliner who ever wanted such a thing. We constantly complain about it.

If I remember, Oleg said he did that BECAUSE of the onliners, fear that some would Kamakaze attack and become point hoes. That the beta tester's complained. Before PF, your weapons had full function even after the virtual pilot was killed.


DerAlte

Now this is really funny, there's one thing people need to accept, offline or online the game is the same there is no "them" and "us", we all "live together" like in a big building.
So you want mods to improve your offline expirience and you do not care how I feel about it because it's all about you isn't it, I am NOT important? Fine.
Let's say we are neighbors(like in a big building ;)) and I want to take a dump on your doorstep to improve my dump taking expirience, I guess it's normal for you to open the door and offer me a drink and/or a newspaper so I enjoy myself taking a dump on your doorstep, it's all about me anyway, you are NOT important ;)
Quite honestly I find the suprise of modding members when they get trashed by non-modding ones insanely funny, what did you expect? Drink and newspapers? :D

Now brain, that has to be one of the most silly examples I have read in a while. If you dump on my doorstep, you can be sure you will be eating it up. :D

It really started that the online people said, as you say, it's all about me (online) and not you (offline), so your statement is valid for both sides. The non-dumping part I mean :D.

DerAlte

Well I tend to use silly examples, it's my trademark :D

Well I don't know about that, I got this game (il2 original) in 2003 and stayed in this since then, I was on 56k for a loooong time, all that time I was strictly offline. I do not remember where exactly did "onliners" dump on "offliners" doorstep. All this time all and any changes to the game were done by Oleg and his crew, there was only "we" - the customers and "them" - the developers. We as customers were for the most part completely passive in regards to changing the game. Now suddenly part of us went active, as in, they made an action. Taking a dump is an action, it requires active state, having your doorstep dumped at is a passive state ;)

Strangely .... I have this sudden urge to go to the bathroom ......

I first saw the harrasment of Oleg's Offline play and some Online play customers when I joined the ubi.com on 15 April 2003 -- the era of RayBanJockey. This was during the Trim Wars after Oleg crippled his sim's trim controls to prevent slider trim bat turn exploits in anonymous public server gameplay. The Offline and many Online players asked for an option to use faster responding trim. There were a good number of hostile anonymous public server players running around the ubi forums accusing everybody who asked for this option of "wanting to cheat online with sliders."

Today's Mod Match started out much the same way -- recall the Mod panic started out with a number of anonymous public server players running around the ubizoo forums accusing modders of, naturally, cheating. There are differences, for example a number of Offline players concerned about the legality and morality of using tools that we assume were never authorized by Oleg.

One funny thing -- through stunningly effective forum satire, RayBanJockey made these hostile anonymous public server players look panicked and angry the likes we have never seen again until today. If there is one thing that makes an anti-mod anonymous public server player more panicked and angry than a server room full of mods, it would be...RayBanJockey. :coolsmileyface.rbj:

I saw that too. If thats the mentality of modder's, it really makes me wonder if they are after a more realistic/historical sim or just a plain arcade version of what they think is right despite what anyone or any document says.

I agree as well.

I've flown online from the start, full switch servers only however, and I've only heard how much everyone hates that particular feature. I'd like to see the thread where multiple people asked to have this.