Right, i think Anton has better things to do than whine about you lot! I suggests that this thread is left alone.

I second this. My father was born in 1926 and he lived in Austria under Russian occupation. He told me exactly the same. The Russian army was very strict and raping was punished by death.

Stalin has done terrible things, Hitler has done terrible things and also some contemporary leaders have done terrible things. You cannot compare them to each other and you should not do it. There is no international competition for the worst war crime and no entry in the Guiness book of records.

We are living now and we have to make sure that such things will not be repeated as long as we give our votes. Looking at what is happening right now during this economic crisis, however, I am not sure we really learned a lot from these bad times. All across Europe there are right wing parties that show a lot of potential for future crimes against humanity if they just get enough power...

Please guys, we really don't need to point fingers at other countries and bring up grotesk events(some that may have not even happened or are unsupported by evidence) just to prove that an Axis campaign is okay.

What??? That is just a flatout dumb statement(It was Russian propraganda and nothing more). Napoleon was one of the most civilized, and humane conquers ever with the exception of Cyrus the Great no other conquer was more civilized, and humane, and cared more about the rights, and liberty of man.

Napoleon along with Cyrus the Great is one of the very, very, very few conquers that can genuinely be considered a good person.

Napoleon and Cyrus both protected, and helped the Jews even though it was an extremely unpopular thing to do. Both of these conquers tryed to do what was right, and just, and they were both very tolerant of other races, and religions

No offense to any of the russian guys on this board.

But just because there was law against raping civilians in the red army , does not mean it didnt happen on a massive scale.

As an american i know we have a dark history too , most notoriously fire bombing at the end of world war 2 , internment camps for japanese americans , and the rape and murder that occured during vietnam.

Just because a nation is against such actions does not mean they dont happen.

I mean this stuff is still happening in iraq , its part of war.

to deny it is silly

im not pointing fingers , out of all the nations fighting in world war 2 , the russians amount of bravery and sacrifice IMO eclipses most other countries of the time.

1) I'm Austrian.
2) No denial, but Russian soldiers were shot for raping women. This is nothing that I took from the internet, but something that I was told by people who lived in that time.
3) Soldiers sometimes do terrible things. They become traumatized to a point where they are not humans anymore. The concept of mercy and justice gets lost to many in the process of a conflict like WWII. But the question is always what was the official order and what was done without such an order.

it really doesnt matter if it was an order or not though

Time to lighten the mood before this gets locked down (probably too late):

And to get back on track, I can't wait to fly one of these badboys in MP: