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Toni74 10-06-2012 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Kodoss (Post 460037)
I had some free time with GIMP and remodelled the cockpit of the C-7.

Attachment 10751
Cliffs of Dover original cockpit.

Attachment 10752
The revamped cockpit (more to the real deal).:rolleyes:

Really nice work! This is what I wish for the C model. Even the "Umschaltwarnung" tag and the two white lamps are wrong in the C model.

I found already are some more issues at bugtracker tool but I think nobody of developers is interested in reading them :/

http://www.il2bugtracker.com/issues/126
http://www.il2bugtracker.com/issues/124

Kodoss 10-06-2012 02:13 PM

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I had to rework my cockpit pic a little, since I forgot that the box for the prop lever had just another shape instead of deleting it completely.

So here is the new revamped cockpit.
Attachment 10958
The only thing that is still missing (not good at painting) is the ON-OFF switch for the artificial Horizon.

And here are the promised CloD C-7 pics.
Attachment 10952
Attachment 10953
Attachment 10954

The wrong Box(came with E-series) with wrong labeling(all of them are fuel pump circuit breaker).
Attachment 10955
Note: The early D-series models had glass circuit breaker for each fuel pump. The thermal circuit breaker (as seen in the pic) were introduced later, so we can assume that they came with the E-series.
And the circuit breaker for the FT-Anlage (Radio-com) is in the main panel by the gunner on the right side of the plane (which is not modeled by the way, but that's for later).

Edit: dammit, I have to rework the stupid Prop lever box again. it should only be the half depth(end at the same level as the gear/flap switches).
Edit2: rework done.

Toni74 10-06-2012 05:46 PM

Kodoss are you sure with the prop pitch lever console? I think that the C type didn't have such a console at all and the pitch levers stuck on the dash board surface directly.

The "cut" version of that console I would guess was introduced in D type first.

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/attachm...8&d=1348391343

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/attachm...7&d=1348680667

Kodoss 10-06-2012 06:14 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Toni74 (Post 467489)
Kodoss are you sure with the prop pitch lever console? I think that the C type didn't have such a console at all and the pitch levers stuck on the dash board surface directly.

The "cut" version of that console I would guess was introduced in D type first.

Look at post #48 and #49.
Especially in '49 is a drawing of the left cockpit side, which shows the box.

As written in this post it's from "Vorläufige Betriebs- und Rüstanleitung Bf 110 C" - 1. June 1939.
So it existed from the beginning in the C-series to the E-series.

Somewhere in the E-series it was changed, since the place of the "Auto-Manuell" switches on the right side of the instrument panel were needed for other instruments. See above the left rev-counter.
Attachment 10960
pic from
"D.(Luft)T.2110 C,D und E Teil 8B, Heft 1
Bf 110 C, D und E Flugzeughandbuch
Teil 8B: Einbau und Prüfung der Abwurfwaffe
Heft 1: Bf 110 E" - May 1941

Toni74 10-06-2012 10:01 PM

ok I agree

Kodoss 10-13-2012 06:40 PM

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I found another 2 pics in "Kagero Monografie Vol.16". Not the best source since they took a pic of a C-series with FuG IIIa-U and declare it as FuG X.

By the first pic Kagero writes it's a Bf-110 C-2. Could be possible, but can't confirm it since I have no additional data. Interesting is the position of the clock and the AFN-1 ( field mod? )
Attachment 11005

By the second picture they write "assembly of pilot's cockpit equipment at plant in Augsburg". This indicates this cockpit as one of the D-Series, since Messerschmitt doesn't built any C-Series after the begin of the D-series.
Attachment 11006

The last C-2 in the Mtt-plant was build in January 1940 and D-Series production started in March 1940 to Sept. 1940.

Kodoss 10-14-2012 03:39 PM

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Now let's see what the cockpit of the E-series is like.

Sources of today:
"D.(Luft)T.2110 C-2,C-4 bis C-7, D-0 bis D-4, E-1 bis E-4; Bf 110 Flugzeughandbuch Teil 9D; Bordfunkanlage" July 1942
"D.(Luft)T.2110 C, D und E; Bf 110 C, D und E Flugzeughandbuch Teil 8B; Einbau und Prüfung der Abwurfwaffe; Heft 1: Bf 110 E" May 1941
"Deutsche Flugzeug-Cockpits 1935-1945" from Kennrth A Merrick
"Ersatzteilliste Bf 110 C" January 1940 with updated pages (intruduction date see lower right corner of the page)

OK, let's begin with a nice cockpit drawing(first source) of an E-Series cockpit (see the heater knob top right).
Attachment 11028
This is the standard cockpit for the E-series. You can also see that instead of the electrical prop-gauges now the switches for the automated propeller pitch are installed. Good to see on the left side the fuse box with the switches for the fuel pumps.
Also some other instruments were moved.
This drawing can be taken for true, since a picture (2. source) clearly shows the switches in the same position.
Attachment 11029

But now it gets tricky.
Two nice pictures of an E-1 W.Nr.4114, SJ+KB(production code), LN+FR(military code) of 1.(Z)/JG 77 build Aug.1941 and landed in Sweden on 1. Sep.1941.
Attachment 11030

First some additional info.
The production of the E-1 ended in August '41 with W.Nr. 4116 and it was the last Bf 110 which the Messerschmitt plant in Augsburg produced(see "Messerschmitt Bf 110, Me 210, M410" from Mankau/Petrick page 324).
The last E-series A/C were build in Januar '42 and production of the F-Series started in Dec. '41.
As a side note the F- and G-Series were build at the Luther-Werke(formerly MIAG) and Gothaer Waggonfabrik which also produced the earlier Series.

My personal conclusion:
since they needed place for the outer temp. gauge (below the heater knob), they changed the position of the automatic-switches to the left, above the prop-pitch-lever.
To do so they used the spare parts for early C- and D-Series, wich were introduced to update the manual prop pitch to the automatic prop pitch system.
I can justify this conclusion, since there is no additional plate to cover the empty gauge hole to the right of the outer temp. gauge.

See spare parts for Bf 110 C (4. source).
First one is for normal C-Series with manual prop pitch. (see part-# 14)
Attachment 11026
Second one is for updated C-Series with automatic prop pitch. (see part-# 26(new box), 27(Cover plate), 28(prop-lever) and 29(switch))
Attachment 11027

Toni74 11-07-2012 01:27 PM

look here what I've found. looks like a proper 110 C cockpit instrument set:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=RF_i2eAHm4M

Kodoss 11-07-2012 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Toni74 (Post 478541)
look here what I've found. looks like a proper 110 C cockpit instrument set:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=RF_i2eAHm4M

The lock switch for the artificial horizon is missing, but a good job from Eduard.

Kodoss 11-24-2012 03:45 PM

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Sources for today:
"D.(Luft) T.2110 F-2 Teil 9A; Bf 110 F-2 Flugzeughandbuch (Stand April 1943) Teil 9A, Allgemeine Ausrüstung" from 08/1943
"L.Dv.T.2110 F/Fl Bf 110 F Bedienungsvorschrift-Fl" from 03/1943
"Anhang zur Ersatzteiliste Bf110C; Ersatzteilliste Bf 110 F" from 06/1942

Let's have a look into the cockpit of the Bf 110 F-Series.

Left side:
Attachment 11470

The housing for the prop pitch lever and switches is now standard. Above them the 4-switch-fuse-panel for the fuel pumps(since the belly tank[Dackelbauchtank] was deleted, the panel changed from 7 switches to 4).
There is an additional knob on the right throttle lever, to activate the landing light when pressed.

Front panel:
Attachment 11469

For better instrument flight the panel was changed. Also the 2 control lamps, above the variometer(k), for the "Rüstsatz M1" 2x MG151/20 + 200 ammunition under the belly are already installed. 2x MG 151 can be fitted instead of the 2x MG 151/20.
At the top right of the variometer you see the "Drehschauzeichen" ( turn-view-sign? ) which shows the working of the de-icing-system of the armored glass.
See the pilots main-fuse-panel on the right side behind the compass, should be in all C-to-G-series. Additional UV-lamps(n) are installed for night flights.

This cockpit has the ZVK-FF ammunition-counter for the MG-FF/M installed.
The spare-parts-catalog from 15. June 1942 indicates a change in the armament from 2x MG-FF/M to 2x MG 151/20 with 350 rounds in thr right MG and 400 rounds in the left.
In case the MG 151/20 are installed, the SZKK 2 (Fl.47317) ammunition-counter should be installed in the panel.
This modification is from outside only distinguishable from the missing openings in front of the ETC 500/IXb (bomb rack).

OK, back to the cockpit.
Right side:
Attachment 11471

No big changes in the right hand panel (even it is a new panel...).
Left of the cockpit-light-poti(1) you find the turning-switch for the "Roland-Anlage" (only F-4) and it's control lamp below (also "Drehschauzeichen").
In the F-2 you might find the same turning switch and lamp, but with an additional lamp in front of the switch. Then additional position lights (zusätzliche Kennlichter) are added to the fuselage.
In front of those turning switch I guess the switch and the 2 control lamps for checking tire pressure.
You read right, the F-series has an electric tire-pressure-control.
The manual states that there are 2 control lights(one for each tire) in the cockpit and those are the only one I can find and have no real description for them, so I can only guess.

Engine instruments:
Attachment 11472

The only change here is from the double-oil-temp-gauge (oil-temp-in/oil-temp-out) to a single-oil-temp-gauge(oil-temp-in).
Good to see the mech. prop-pitch-indicator ( which is missing in CloD ).

And now a picture from the spare-parts-list, regarding the instrument panel in the cockpit.
Attachment 11473


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