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41Sqn_Banks 03-13-2012 04:21 PM

Please add the source when you quote something. This also applied when you quote from Wikipedia.

RPS69 03-13-2012 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Mustang (Post 398589)
I encounter new data in everywhere.
So easy..
All aim to the same point.

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And do you encounter any data about being polite?

Some irony may be ok, but you really are damaging more your cause than supporting it, with your childish behavior.

At this point, putting you on a ban, will be the sensitive thing to do. Not because of your claims, but on your behaviour.

Shardur 03-13-2012 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by RPS69 (Post 398604)
And do you encounter any data about being polite?

Some irony may be ok, but you really are damaging more your cause than supporting it, with your childish behavior.

At this point, putting you on a ban, will be the sensitive thing to do. Not because of your claims, but on your behaviour.

I have to agree. Always ask yourself if what you are about to post is really necessary and provide sources to any claim you are posting, no matter how trivial. Nobody will take your word for any claim, nor should they.

Any post claiming something without sources is a post best not made and will not further any cause.

Any post responding to a claim made without evidence in form of credible sources is a post that just feeds the troll and also does not help the discussion.

I see IL-2 as a real simulator for historical planes and want to see it as accurate as possible. Getting all the data is however a gigantic job and not easily done by the programming team alone. If we all try to act like historians, have a polite discussion and provide sources for historical data, we can help DT to get as much data as possible and to make the game better for everyone.

If however posts look like quotes form a conversation of a few local know-it-alls from the corner pub that argue over a pint or three who is the smartest this discussions won't lead anywhere and DTs time will be better spend not reading in this forum.

Mustang 03-13-2012 06:55 PM

I quoted many things.

And all quotes are on the same path. ...Water/ methanol = Cooling .

http://www.importtuner.com/tech/impp...#ixzz1ownDQALK

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At this point, putting you on a ban, will be the sensitive thing to do. Not because of your claims, but on your behaviour.
Lets go...
Ban the truth.

http://www.alcohol-injection.com/en/

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DevilsOwn's Benefits Include:

*Increase horsepower safely by 10-15%.
*Lower air temperatures by 50-200+ degrees.
*Decrease cylinder temperatures up to 300 degrees.
*Reduce the effects of heat soak in warmer climates.
*Allows you to safely run more boost and timing.
*Reduces carbon and helps maintain a clean combustion chamber.
*Increases octane at user programmable boost levels.
Give me some credit....

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Mustang 03-13-2012 08:13 PM

My respectful question is :

All need a Luftwaffe engineer to explain.. what is posted everywhere for water/methanol systems?

:confused:

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41Sqn_Banks 03-13-2012 08:23 PM

How do you know that a cooling effect is not implemented?

Mustang 03-13-2012 09:07 PM

Was a joke ?

Whacker 03-13-2012 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Shardur (Post 398520)
Thanks, I actually overlooked that part. However you misunderstand a small part of it: It does not reduce engine lifetime but flight endurance, which means that the flight range and time of flight is lower due to the increased fuel consumption at hight power settings. (Of cause none of the military engines of WW2 where created with very long lifetimes in mind anyway so, even if not further lowered, engine lifetime wasn't stellar)
Fuel consumption numbers are actually provided on the page and are for instance for the DB-605DB on maximum power settings 610 l/h plus 180 l/h of MW50 fuel (so a total of 790 l/h). High (climb) power for instance, which is the power setting below the boost setting, only uses 470 l/h.

Ahh, I see now. Thanks for correcting me there, I read that as endurance == engine lifespan, not flight time.

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Originally Posted by Shardur (Post 398629)
I have to agree. Always ask yourself if what you are about to post is really necessary and provide sources to any claim you are posting, no matter how trivial. Nobody will take your word for any claim, nor should they.

Any post claiming something without sources is a post best not made and will not further any cause.

Any post responding to a claim made without evidence in form of credible sources is a post that just feeds the troll and also does not help the discussion.

I see IL-2 as a real simulator for historical planes and want to see it as accurate as possible. Getting all the data is however a gigantic job and not easily done by the programming team alone. If we all try to act like historians, have a polite discussion and provide sources for historical data, we can help DT to get as much data as possible and to make the game better for everyone.

If however posts look like quotes form a conversation of a few local know-it-alls from the corner pub that argue over a pint or three who is the smartest this discussions won't lead anywhere and DTs time will be better spend not reading in this forum.

Yeah well, as far as I'm concerned your translations and links from the 109 info site have been the most informative. This topic is basically dead in my eyes, unless you happen to come across something concrete and substantial in the documentation. Would very much be interested if you do.

69th_Dragon 03-13-2012 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 41Sqn_Banks (Post 398666)
How do you know that a cooling effect is not implemented?

Good question...do you have the answer? I have another,what sources did the designers use to implement the MW50 system into the game? I myself have a tonne of books and manuals on 109's and 190's and they all very from one to the other. One thing I do know as fact is that this was all during wartime and parts,supplies,fuel,political interference there are just too many factors at play to have accurate results on top of the fact that there was a whole bunch of chaos and things blowing up which made for I'm sure a not very good environment for alot of basic field operations.;)

I'm not here to sling mud but I have flown this sim since day one and can only say you all know that we have had to adapt and evolve along with the game from any patch that has come along whether it's good or bad. I would like to see better documentation from TD or anyone else that changes things in the game so when new comers come along or old hands casually return they don't have to sift thru pages of "My computer penis is bigger than yours posts" :rolleyes: Kind of defeats the purpose of community input if one out of every 10 posts contains useful information DIRECTLY RELATED to this sim and the rest is just a fact finding peeing match.

Again not slinging mud at any individual at all,would just like to see less zoo mentality and more info sharing.I try to fly all the time by the book,basically I don't ever see an overheat message because I nurse my plane from startup to when I put it back on the ground.I push the motor to the limits and beyond when I'm in a fight or running away only to keep my virtual life intact.It makes the game fun for me and I'm sure many others flying this way. I really have a hard time believing that these pilots flew around with the throttle firewalled finger on the trigger scanning the skies looking for their next kill marking for the tail,maybe some did but I tend to believe that most spent a lot of their time staring at the photo of the beautiful woman they would like to get home too and not crapping their pants when someone yelled bandits.;)

That being said my question is this.Would a game designer or other person who works on this sim be able to explain in detail how the mw50 system that they have put in this game works so I can fly accordingly? I have always shortly after engine startup turned on the system and left it on during the duration of my flight assuming that it only engages when I throttle past 100% at which time I monitor its use with my clock on panel.I also never engage the system above 6000m. When I say by the book, from a variety of books that I have when they talk about the system it was used very sparingly because of to sum up all accounts there was a war going on and way to many factors were at play and sometimes the chief just told me not to use it today because he didn't get a chance to fix it when I broke it on my last sortie.:shock:

I apologize in advance for any spellin mistakes or grammar cuz I know the grammer police are out there and another apology for this being my first post here and I don't have a signature or pc specs to compare my pc penis with others but believe me it's a lot bigger and better.;):-P

~S~ Dragon

Mustang 03-13-2012 11:36 PM

The mustang P51 H
Use - water/methanol.


http://www.crazyhorseap.be/Mustangs/...H/P-51H_02.htm
http://www.mustangsmustangs.com/p-51...ants/P-51H.php

North American engineers and Rolls Royce Merlin engineers were morons?"
I think not.

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The German Luftwaffe increased the horsepower of the Focke-Wulf 190D-9 fighter aircraft from 1776HP to 2240HP using 50/50% water/methanol injection.
The allies soon followed by fitting the P51 Mustang and other high performance aircraft with water/methanol injection.


I think the data I'm looking for are very close,
For the benefits of cooling for water/methanol


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