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LcSummers 04-12-2011 06:03 AM

To all skinners!

I am no skinner, so i want to thank you in advance for any skins available in the future. All of you are making a great job.

I know that with ongoing skins CLOD will be as exited as it was IL1946.

Thanx guys for your hard work;)

BOBC 04-13-2011 10:42 PM

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CsThor ...the mother corporation - decided to omit any swastika from new game releases for safety reasons. As it stands now even the provision of a way to add the swastika by a gamer could (theoretically) put them in serious legal troubles.
If someone in the UK or the USA mods it to show complete Luftwaffe markings for their own use, that can't be illegal , not in a country with more sense that allow historical representation. If a ruskie decides to use that then that ruskie should face the laws of his land. If Oleg was to produce model Luft kits and someone in the UK put an aftermarket tail decal on it, thats not Olegs fault, if a ruskie imported a sheet and used it, in a public place, then they know the law, but in their own home, thats ok, unless Russian police raid homes looking for sims with Luft tail markings, or model aircraft with same, or e.g. UK produced books with original Luft pics in. What if a Ruskie is flying European Air war, or BoB Wings of Victory. Are they allowed to do so, but not buy a product that shows the same artwork from a Russian company ? Just about shows how damn silly the Russian law is.

It has been pointed out on another thread that the problem lies in the fact that its not been given an 18 certificate, its a childs toy and that disallows swastikas, make it 18 cert and no longer a toy, and its ok.

Code it such that purchase from within Russia sees only the swastika free version available. Problem solved.

I will not have a Russian law depriving me in a different country of my freedom of choice that my previous generation fought and gave their lives for so as to defend that freedom, and who helped free Russia of Nazis who sought to remove such freedom, only to see it removed by the defenders so it seems.

Swastikas on tails is not going to turn Russian sim players into Nazis. A rule that has been made without any evidence to back it up.

BOBC

csThor 04-14-2011 05:23 AM

You can rant about this all you want, the issue remains the same. 1C:Maddox Games is based in Russia so for them the russian laws apply. And said laws allow for any potential interpretation so even the provision of a way to add a swastika to the in-game markings is a potentially dangerous thing for 1C. Which is why they did not make one.

Got an issue with that? Take it up with the Duma. :roll:

Wolf_Rider 04-14-2011 07:43 AM

the problem isn't the swastika itself, the problem is what the swastika came to represent (and continues to represent today) and who it offends.

JG52Krupi 04-14-2011 07:59 AM

It's a pity that after a rich history of being a symbol of good luck within 5 years the nazis make it a symbol of oppression and bigotry.

ChicoMick 05-21-2011 06:49 PM

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/picture...&pictureid=696

This is Wings of Prey, if your country's laws allow then you can enable historical Luftwaffe markings by free downloadable content..... Why not with Clod?

Ali Fish 05-21-2011 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ChicoMick (Post 286950)
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/picture...&pictureid=696

This is Wings of Prey, if your country's laws allow then you can enable historical Luftwaffe markings by free downloadable content..... Why not with Clod?

probally because of the nature of the release (a bit too early) and probally because thats the last thing on there minds. and who said they wont release somthing to allow you to it at your own leisure. its actually irellevant ! personally i see no need to view the swastika. its just a symbol.

and if you all keep shtumm about it they might release the "decal editor" for you to add them at your leisure. so lets get the game to 100% then worry about swastikas and historical correctness.

Kongo-Otto 05-22-2011 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by JG52Krupi (Post 262538)
It's a pity that after a rich history of being a symbol of good luck within 5 years the nazis make it a symbol of oppression and bigotry.

12 years it took because it started on January 30th 1933, and it was not just a sign of oppression and bigotry, it was also a sign of Terror and massmurder.

sometimes i think, this hole dicussions about "historical correctness" is just to cover the fact that some guys get a boner when they see a swastika.

Plt Off JRB Meaker 05-22-2011 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Kongo-Otto (Post 287088)
12 years it took because it started on January 30th 1933, and it was not just a sign of oppression and bigotry, it was also a sign of Terror and massmurder.

sometimes i think, this hole dicussions about "historical correctness" is just to cover the fact that some guys get a boner when they see a swastika.

Nahhh,not me.........just get a boner when shooting down anything with a swastika on it:grin:

ChicoMick 05-23-2011 11:02 AM

Yeah i take your points, I can understand most people not bothered, if I was just into the sim as a game then there is no real need.

It's just that I like to take realistic looking screenies and videos of the sim, and it looks to be capable of producing some good 'photoreal' images. The only shortfall is the absence of the 'complete' markings.... perhaps only a thing understood by my fellow classic aircraft anorak types lol :rolleyes:

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/picture...&pictureid=705
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/picture...&pictureid=704


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