considering the state of the game, the pace they released patches, the progress the game made since release, and BlackSix's last few posts, there is a strong possibility that exactly that will happen...

Amen,

Me thinks thats what the majority would like at this time, the product paid for.
BoM is all pie in the sky at the moment, with a few mediocre screenshots and more promises, nothing else.

Well...
 

Im looking forward to BoM and the patch. Never had much of interest in the BoB scenario.

Viking

I'm looking forward to the Euro championship final, my summer holidays and the christmas season as these things are closer and much more realistic.. ;)

Very funny, you know it became a brand...
Anyway somewhere like the MTO, ETO, even the bloody SCW, but enough of those endless bright green prairie scenarios.. They could also concentrate on the last stages of the Russian offensive and come a bit more west..

The peak of sales and interest was with Pacific Fighters if memory serves, so why not following the original road map laid down by the good ol' Oleg years ago, who said "it's likely that after the new BoB sim is released we will concentrate on the MTO"..

Just give us Oleg back please, at least he cared about his customers.

Great update and fine screenshots. Keep up the good work to make CoD better and better.

Agreed, in a complete and surprising break from type Chivas wins this week's 'Wet blanket' award. ;) Come on Chivas - that kind of thing is NOT what we pay you for around here.

I was actually quite excited to come and post on this too, because I changed my mind on the Stalingrad map. My initial reservations still in place, I can see that a Stalingrad scenario could be very atmospheric and exciting - palls of black smoke rise from the shattered city and shroud the Volga as your flight of Stukas peels off to commence their attack on the stubborn resisters in the Tractor factory.

I'm excited.... I'll buy it...reminds me of how excited I felt about COD - diving into huge phalanxes of German bombers over London; scrambling from Manston as 109s skim the tree-tops, ......oh, hang on, hmmmm :confused::rolleyes: .... a little imagination can be a dangerous thing in flight-sim land. ;)

Yep, finally the Mussolini guys proved to be something good for at war. :grin: Italians beat british troops in ukrainian territory. Quite a scenario hihi

I'm very much looking forward to your WW2 flight sim. It will be interesting to see how you market it. When is the scheduled release date?

Why BlackSix "participates" more and gives more info in the sukhoi.ru forum than here, the 1C official forums??? (Please, don´t say "language barrier")

no ships?
 

I really dont understand the absence of warships. Torpedo bombing warships (bismarck) with swordfish bi planes would be awesome and with England having the largest navy in the world under attack by the germans over the channel its kind of a rediculous oversight.

IL2 original had this andit was fantastic.

Thats not what you want to hear, but you probably answered your own question, he said before his English is very poor, and even gets help with translation from someone else for the Friday updates. If he gets help for those updates it probably means random chatter is harder to deal with, or perhaps we just ask the wrong questions...

I am going to lean on it being the language barrier.... I bet nobody wishes they could communicate better than B6 himself... he is in a tough spot. Of course I am in no way trying to speak for him, this is just my humble opinion :)

I'll let you know ASAP and probably use you as PR, you're SO good at HR man, you should make a job out of it ;)

Luthier speaks a perfect English, since he lived and worked in the US.. ;)

Well, I guess that's because he's from the community over there. It's his personal comfort zone ... Not to mention that he was initially hired to act as liaison to the community over there. Posting in this board here wasn't mentioned in his job description, it simply "happened".

That's awesome! Please set up a website so I can start posting my pre-whining. Thanks!

Sorry I have to turn down the job offer, but I fear starvation will come quickly to your employees.

Yes it is. And my posts look terrible except for the Friday updates that writes or translates Luthier. I will take another 3-4 months to learn a language to work with this forum. I hope so.

I can assure you, you are making good progress!

And by the way, you have a hard job as maybe 50% of the users here are not naitive speakers and don´t write a proper english as well (like me for example)...

B6 you have an awful job trying to keep this lot happy(and me)PLEASE dont take none of this to heart.Thing is we bought the game to fly in The Battle of Britain,above Dover/Calais etc etc hopeing more than anything that things like the Whirlwind/Hampden/Lysander would eventually get an important part in the game.All we get is LA this etc and a few screen shots that to tell you the truth just dont cut it anymore!!!

Sorry

I have no interest in a sequel but like a mug if it eventually works ill prob get it,unlike 30+ of my Squad mates.

Cheese
PS hope this responce doesnt get deleted like 3 of my others!!!!

You're doing a great job B6; thanks again for the updates. ;)

Ageed! Keep it up man, your doing a fantastic job.

Oh well, I think you are learning quite well and maybe once a week you can try to come over here and have discussions with it (Maybe like FDR's Fireside chats that he did during WW2 perhaps :cool:?). Then we can learn you more personally and we'll try to help you as much as we can. For most of us, our bark is worse than our bite (Wait a minute, who actually "bites" people around here?). Very best wishes to you BlackSix and thanks for doing this since not too many people would be able to just jump into a new language so quickly (Spanish has been the only class that I have failed in school so far, all my other grades are top notch so I can see your difficulty in learning something new.).

i agree !!

Well ... the Fridays Updates are terribles too, but instead of the grammar, the problem are the contents :rolleyes: ... joking joking ...

Blacksix, like many of the guys said, do not take any of our "complaints" personally..... You have a very hard work, and you are doing it stoically, so my hat´s off to you.

Regards

Yes - relax and take your time with the patch... I'm on vacation in Italy for two weeks anyway (be sure) :)

But by no means do you have to wait for mazex to get back if it is ready before that :D

Agreed

Where? :-)

No need to joke here as THAT is the truth! The problem is the contents not the messenger or the grammar.

Agree with you Catseye. Maybe this Friday we can get some sort of concrete information.

I thought there was supposed to be an announcement on the sequel this month as well. I guess that's changed?

In the middle of Tuscany - a small countryside hotel in the hills near Montaione (some 30km SW of Firenze)... Any advice what to see/do? Venice is not that close so not your backyard directly ;) PM if you have advice! Been looking for some military/aviation museums to mix with all the culture and wine yard visits but no luck yet... Have rental car so some distance is OK!

black6,

your posts here are much appreciated, and it is good to have somebody communicate with us (even if you are not always allowed to say all you know)

if you see much frustration on this forum, please understand none of this is directed towards you personally, you are a great help here :)

Thanks) My main problem is no free time for learning. If I'll find more time all will be good)

I understand all)

Yes,we all appreciate your help B6,your doing a sterling job:grin:

Sincerity.
 

I do not agree about the language barrier mentioned here.

For many of us English is not our mother language, and still we have to deal with it every day.
You learn rules in order not to put yourself into trouble using a foreign language:
- Think twice before you speak/write.
- Keep it simple. Clear ideas and short sentences.
- Be sincere.

Following these rules, from my experience, will able you to get through with your message above
90% of the time. The 10% left is usually resolved with plain data or images.

Now, please, consider the kind of communications 1C, CloD Management, Luthier, B6, whoever…
has chosen to use with/for the community.

IMHO the language is not the problem, the problem is the message.

Salutes Majo.

. . . but they are actively banning people that show them up, expecting us to accept this incomplete production, that we paid for a year ago that's still unusable in any way similar the to IL2 that we have loved for years.

I feel cheated and taken advantage of expecting me or anyone else to buy the next instalment.

You lot are clueless when it comes to lifetime customer value.

Best you could do is sell the right to 777 who know to cultivate a regular income stream and continue to develop what has now become an exceptional product 'Rise of Flight'

Ban away, and if anyone disagrees you have got the game you deserve.

Nobody is getting banned for voicing their opinion, but people ARE getting banned because of HOW they voice their opinion. There's a difference there that few people seem to realize.

If you stay constructive (i.e. don't go balls-out with cursing, insulting the devs/other posters and generally being a tosspot), then you won't get banned. Staying constructive even when giving negative feedback is, it seems, a lost and/or arcane art that few people seem to grasp these days.

This is totally true. In many ways I have had an awful lot of fun with CloD but, by the same token, I'm not happy about the state it is in... I'm not happy about CTDs ruining any attempt to play the game as it as, supposedly, meant to be... I'm not happy about a lot of things with CloD or how it has been handled. I've stated this many, many times! Not one infraction. Nada. Nothing. No threat of banning, no "ticking off" from a moderator... niet!

As Fjordmonkey states: Noone gets banned for simply stating their annoyance. It is HOW that annoyance is expressed.

Im sorry but you couldnt be more wrong if you tried.
Language and cultural differences are what most of the communication issues are about. Do you think they want the game to fail?? Come on have some common sense.

I just posted this in another thread in relation to the subject of Russian Language and grammar translation to English and I think it's important enough to post here as it serves as a great example. I apologise for the double post but this is important. For those of you that have read it already just skip over it.

I believe what Blacksix was trying to say was.

Even if we finished it in May it doesnt mean that we should immediately release a patch with only these elements fixed.

Which is perfectly reasonable. (confirmed by B6 below)


Guys please understand B6 is still learning english and a direct russian translation would lack some of the small important words that we take for granted.
Such as "if" and the context of a sentence can be completely lost in translation.

You guys have used Google to translate before and you know it does the same thing, sometimes it looses context by omitting important words or changing the order of words which has an effect on the meaning. (changing the S-V-O order can have an effect on the meaning in english)

A new english speaker often has this problem.

English and Russian language structure is generally Subject-Verb-Object but Russian language is a lot more flexible with the order, especially in more complex sentence structures.

For example, the sentence "A cat caught a mouse" can be translated into Russian in the following ways: All would be understood by a Russian native speaker to mean the same thing.

1) Кошка поймала мышь.
2) Мышь поймала кошка.
3) Поймала кошка мышь.
4) Кошка мышь поймала.
5) Мышь кошка поймала.
6) Поймала мышь кошка.

However, if we translate those same sentences back to English without an understanding of english (as google has kindly done below) you can see the meaning is completely different.

1) The cat caught the mouse.
2) The mouse has caught the cat.
3) I caught a mouse the cat.
4) The cat caught the mouse.
5) The cat caught the mouse.
6) I caught a mouse the cat.

So its not hard to see that this...
Maybe we finished it in May. But it does not mean that we should immediately release a patch with this elements.

Was probably meant as this...
Even if we finished it in May it doesnt mean that we should immediately release a patch with only these elements fixed.

So in the end we need to give B6 some slack and understanding that not everything he is trying to say will be interpreted the way he has intended.
A lot of you are always looking for the bad angle instead of trying to understand the intent given the translation from Russian to English.

Thanks for the effort B6 we appreciate your efforts especially given English is a new language for you. You are getting much better though so dont let this lot get to you!!

Here's another quick lesson on Russian and why its translations are sometimes perceived as blunt, direct or rude. Russian language doesnt need all the extra padding we use in English.

Some people say that the Russian language can be hard to learn. This is not really true, learning Russian is no harder than learning other languages. The main difficulty for a lot of people is learning the new grammar structure. If you have learnt other languages before you will already be familiar with some of these grammar concepts, such as gender and cases.

In fact, there are many things that make Russian easier to learn than other languages. The key is to use these things to your advantage. Here are some things that make Russian easier.

1. Once you learn the alphabet, you can pronounce almost all words quite accurately. With Russian the pronunciation is normally quite clear from the written form of the word.

2. Russian does not use complicated sentence structures like English. You can normally say exactly what you want with just a few words. For example, in English to be polite we would say something like “can you please pass me the salt”, however in Russian they would say something simpler like “give salt please”. Speaking so directly may even feel unusual for an English speaker, however it is perfectly normal, just add the word ‘please’ to be polite. This makes it easy to say what you want in Russian, and it will probably be correct. Less words also makes listening to people easier, as you can just pick out the important words.

3. Russian uses the case system. Instead of having a strict sentence word order like in English, you just need to change the ends of the nouns. This makes Russian a very expressive language, because you can emphasise a point by changing the order of the words in a sentence. It also helps you understand what people are trying to say.

4. Russian does not use articles. (Like “a” and “the”)

5. Russian has fewer tenses than English. Russian does not bother with the difference between “I was running”, “I had been running”, etc.

Cheers,
Phat.

only governments accept products that do not reasonable satisfy the stated aims a year after purchase. If you sell a product that is known to still need a great deal of development, then its reasonable for people who having given them a whole year to get it right to complain about promoting a new product before the original one is finished.

No amount of cajoling or semi condescending rhetoric will change that Fjordmonkey.

I suspect their funding was cut off by the publishers and they just had to release as it was. Read my previous posts I was happy to give them the benefit of the doubt, you will see I have only just given up hope brought on by them banning a squad member for voicing a very similar reply.

@Blacksix,
will the Russian P40 be included in sequel??Any version of the p40 is my favorite plane.Can you show us a screen shot of that?

Reasonable, yes. But at the same coin, it's also reasonable to expect people to express their displeasure with the product in a manner befitting some semblance of adultness, i.e. not with some of the temper-tantrums people have been throwing around here. As others have stated, I'm also not happy about the product in it's current state. But that doesn't mean that I'll go out of my way to behave like a 4-year old denied of sweets.

If you think my responses cajoling or semi-condescending, Merlin, that's up to you. You're free to interpret my responses as you see fit, but that doesn't change the fact that people seem unable to not behave like children denied of sweets just because a software-product isn't up to the standard they'd like it to be.

Again, your squad-member was most likely banned because of HOW he let his displeasure be know, not because he did so. There's a subtle difference there, and it seems that as soon as people get on the 'net, they forget or overlook that.

This has been brought up before..... but, here goes again;

I wonder, has anyone actually tested whether or not the product meets the description, by trying to get a return? Most countries (at least in the EU) have consumer law that protects consumer against faulty product. As yet I'm not aware of anyone actually reporting a successful return of CloD. Is this because;
1. No-one really thinks it is faulty enough to succeed in a return,
2. People are actually happy to sit and wait for what they believe will be eventual fixes to the game
3. People are playing it happily enough in spite of the reported issues

I suspect (2) is the main reason. Folks do believe the messages from 1C/ MG, and are holding on for the fixes. How long will they wait before using their legal protections and requesting refund? Will they likely succeed if they ask for refund?

I don't know what world you live in mate but you really need to get out from behind your comp. Bleating your definition of adult behaviour just makes you sound silly and naive. This 'acting like children not getting a thing is getting a bit old and, itself, childish.

Next update can we take the discussion thread a step farther?

As an example:

B6 posts an update, only questions concerning the update info are allowed (and of course B6's answers)

And then a separate discussion thread for all other discussion based on that?

Only reason I ask is, 1) the language barrier/communication issues and 2) the fact that alot of good info just seems to get lost in a s**t storm of garbage.

just a suggestion...

+1

I know it's a lot of work for you mods but it will be very useful.

Woot, come on all we have seen so far is Russian/Red aircraft it's about time we saw the 109F and 190A :D but I do hope we get the p40 ;)

The problem is that the info and the answers that B6 gives here are zero in comparison with his activity in sukhoi.ru ....

It's only happened once and the reason why was explained by FS-Phat, a simple language barrier...

:) yes indeed, blue content please!

The Ju88 variant was cool though!

B6 is a forum member for 11+ years there. Long before he joined 1C. He would be banned there if he does not provide more information :grin: Just kidding :)

If it's only a matter of a language barrier, then surely there must be someone either at 1C, this forum or the Russian forum who has a better grasp of both Russian and English who could help with the update threads. No offense to B6, but why continue to struggle putting out update threads that are difficult to understand and subject to so much interpretation that it breeds more resentment with each passing week? It might eliminate some of the division here.

Not true! All non-trivial Softwares are a complex beast that have problems and requires fixes, patches and updates.

Even Microsoft has been selling opperating systems and application software since 1975, knowning full well that every single one of their products require a 'great deal of development' and don't quite meet their aims.

In fact they have turned it into a marketing ploy and even stop supporting their older version of their software and force you to buy the newer flawed version just to get their support. And Flight sims just like office software are far from perfect. For the forseable future they will all be patched and updated and evolve. Either that or they will stagnate and die.

I think we are lucky that COD's developers are looking to the future and the long term viability of the series.

The patches don't come as much as I would like true. But at least they are still working on them. I've got boxes of Sim sitting in my shed that are not being supported.

Each and every one of the titles below were great sims or games. How many are still being supported by their developers?

http://i1042.photobucket.com/albums/...Olympus068.jpg

I would imagine that everyone has now seen how we act here and they cant find anyone to take over dealing with us lol...

Maybe, but it's gotta start someplace, sometime. I don't think anyone can deny this forum is fractured badly. IF CoD is fixed and it's follow ons do make it to market, it would be in Ic's best interest to have a fan base that isn't ready to rip the others' throats out.

No, these planes there were very few. Like the P-39. We are not able to make rare aircraft now. Not enough time and people.
Maybe we'll make Hurricane, but after the release.

And don't ask me about FW-190, please. I can't say.

HOLY CRAPE! :shock: you guys do need help. Sounds like you have a staff of 4, 1 being the janitor. :grin: No wonder you guys are flat out. Modders could help alot I suspect? ..and they're free! :grin:

.

Though partly banned in this forum :)

Thank you for the accidental update!

Okay thanks B6, but from a purely buisness/fiscal perspective surely having a p-39/p-40 would boost the sales of the game in America?

It shouldn't take much to tweak the Hurricane MkI into MkIIb and MkIIc?

Yes.

Hello BlackSix.

Have you thought that you should make the SDK available, and anyone can make a plane? Of course, this does not mean that crappy home-made aircraft would be included in the game: the full control, and integration into the game can only happen through 1C/MG? Like the DCS Mig-21, for example?

The publisher would be happy, because it saves work, but the game is developing.
The third-party developer would be happy, because after the sales he will get money (various percentage after the modeling, animating, texturing, programming). I think, it will be not problem, if we can buy these exras in the DLC system.
The players would be happy, because their needs will be met - even if they pay for it. Other aircraft, aircraft variants, ground units, ships, anything (I'm just guessing, if we get driveable land vehicles, the ships will soon. right? :cool:).

The DLC system is no problem if the large maps, with base planeset is also available for purchase directly from 1C (important for online play, the basic game have to contain a basic, all-purpose planeset. Do not be a disadvantage, who does not spend fortunes on the extras).

The point is, everything need to allow by 1C. Too much user-freedom ruin the game balance. But it should be possible, that the community can able to help in this long and difficult task.

This is a problem if you make a multiplayer campaign becuase you would have to check what aircraft everyone had. :rolleyes:

I agree with much of what you are saying except the DLC part.

Aircraft added by modders that have met the approval of MG - very good!

I expect any prospective 3rd party would be put off by the constant stream of abusive and vindictive posts directed towards the developers.

In the developers place I would get the game engine working right first before releasing the SDK's. Otherwise if there were any issues with third party content there would be a large part of the vocal community here-abouts that would direct their anger and venom toward 1C and it's developers!

It would be a Loose-Loose situation.

The planeset of the online campaigns set by the admins. I dont care, if the AI planes become player-driveable, IF the basic package contain the best fighters of the both side). The most frequent requests on this board, bombers and rare aircrafts.

ps. I dont like the DLC in the common forms (pay to cheat), i aggree, it should not be introduced here.

Thomas, the situation has not changed.

Yes, I think it's so obvious that we're unnecessary to mention :)
First priority the flawless game engine. Everything else just after that.

This is the question of supervision. If they pass through defective parts/planes, then they share the responsibility too.

Thanks.
Please correct me if i wrong, but previously only mentioned the map SDK, not the aircraft SDK. This means that it will be aircraft SDK too?

joke
 

I just hope you will release alpha DEMO of next sequel, so everyone can test next next-gen sim from Maddox Games...

btw. it seems like last problem with DX9 support is bigger that you thought...

I can't see the point of a map SDk without the ability to make the correct aircraft for the maps.

Aircraft, ground units, buildings, maps. Plans were great. But I don't know that we'll be able to make.

That's an eye opener :-P

Do you know if the plan is to jump back onto the SDK after CoD is fixed and before the sequel is released? Or is there any sort of firm plan in place right now?

We have way of making you talk. What about the 190? It's in the sequel yes?

You forgot ze german accent! "Vee haff VAYS of making hyu took!"

http://public.blu.livefilestore.com/...errogation.jpg

:)

:-PMan, that is funny!:-P

Presumably you would be permitted to speak of it if it weren't in the sequel (the same way you could speak of the P-39 & P-40). Therefore the 190 must be in the sequel. Sweet. Please provide a detailed list of all the other things you can't speak of. They can't do you for that... :-P

Come on you can tell us B6 Luther will never know ;)

B6 online missions?
 

Hey B6,

Have you tried making missions online yet?

I am sure ATAG and Repka servers would love to see your skills if you did!

+1 Would love to fly some B6 missions on ATAG :)

Great idea :D

Some classic games in that lot - EF2000 was the first mainstream flight sim I bought (after the sluggish but great 'Tornado' on the Amiga) and X Wing. A few of them well supported by fans x-wing mods, il2 etc, with Rise of Flight having the best developer support with new maps and aircraft.

where is the patch? im tired to simulate with buged spitfire throttle and against SUPER OVER MODELATED ENGINE power of 109´s..........................

BlackSix come man. You cannot resist it. Tell us about the 190 and I will make the pain go away.
http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/8045...1&s=0&a=t&q=89

LOL!!!

JD
AKA_MattE

haha Doc, you're the best.
:grin:

Didnt we see a FW190 model in one of the updates over a year ago?

Nope, I would have recalled it as the beauty would have been burned into my iris :D

This is the new russian model that they will launch in the sequel

http://files.coloribus.com/files/ads...mall-12308.jpg

"Absolute" - terrible vodka. Try "Russian Standard" or "VEDA" and you will see 190;)

Beluga......nuff said

I saw cost of vodka in english e-shop...it's delicious:)
"Russian Standart" three times more expensive than in Russia.

You'll never get Victor Mature to talk. Never.

I promised to ask Ilya after announcment.

I'm the big specialist for offline campaigns only. I'll learn to create online missions in the future. And only for sequel, sorry.

It's very difficult)

No)

P.S. I have got some screenshots from Ilya now...
It will be a bomb. Nuclear bomb.
This will probably raise the spirits of our German friends after yesterday's loss.
If we'll publish it today...

FW-190 !!!! :mrgreen::mrgreen:


Just wishing it out loud ;)