I dont get those anymore... I hope you are uploading your crash logs.

My performance is smooth flying over London, I flew online for some time with no CTD. So not every system is equal, so make sure you are giving them the info they need...

Yes same old story over and over - it is problem of people, or their HW, SW, location of PC in the room (your chair position should point to Moscow)... whatever...

To whom, for Christ's sake, Luthier wants to sell next sequel?

Without doubt to mature, responsible fans who report bugs with crash-logs or who have no problems at all.

After all that is the reason for a alpha, finding bugs!

I left the game running unattended for 3 h, online, no CTD so far.

So..... one totally fresh install later.....

Installed beta patch....

Now have to fly with settings less than I was using before the patch... some improvement (To be expected considering so much is actually turned off by this patch! Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.) coupled with terrible stutters.... and then what happens? My first ever offline CTD.

My biggest concern about this mess is:

People complained as trees, clouds, particles etc were causing performance issues.

The team patched it up.

People continued to complain as trees, clouds, particles etc were causing performance issues.

The team patched it up.

People continued to complain as trees, clouds, particles etc were causing performance issues.

The team say they are working on it......

Shock horror! The team have "discovered" that there are problems with trees, clouds, particles etc! (Who would have guessed, eh?)

The team continue..... announce the patch is pretty much finished when....

Yegads! An unimaginable horror has occured! They have fixed everything but suddenly these bugs have turned up out of the blue:

There are performance issues caused by trees, clouds, particles etc! Who could have predicted that, eh?

The team release a pre-beta patch and proudly announce that performance has increased! But........ clouds have been cut back for now until they can figure out what the problem is.......

Oh..... and there is still a problem with trees, clouds, particles etc.....

Is it any wonder people are losing faith? What have they been doing all this time? Sure... some new sounds and some snazzy shockwave effects on the explosions.......... and, may I suggest, some really unpopular videos of tanks?

Battle over Moscow? I predict Battle with Redundancy.

I would agree with you, Robtek.... if I was seeing any evidence of an Alpha patch! All I am seeing is evidence of them switching off the things that cause the problems..... a new explosion effect and some sounds is not a patch... it's a mod.

:)

They said the engine wouldnt look different, but the "under the bonnet" stuff has been rewritten. My performance and stuttering fixes suggests that. Its far from perfect, but there are differences. They said the patch was a rewrite, not a change. Its the same textures etc just loaded differently.

Gotta say I'm not likin the new mega slow spitfire "improvement" How were they better again?

Hey this is for all fanboys.......
A smooth game is something like WOP or BF3 or others games
Starting to look forward for War Thunder World of Planes even if is more arcadish!
My biggest wish now is the some good soul could find a way to enables shadows in cockpit in il2 1946(hard task i guess)but there are very talented people out there so will see!!
I`ll stick with il2 1946 (waiting hsfx for 4.11) for a long while i think o well....!!
I`m sure this game is going to be fixed in a long future or at least release the dsk to the community;)...... modders can do better for sure LOL
Hope final patch is good cheers!!!!!!

My steam client reverts back to automatic updates every time i launch the sim. Every time i exit the sim i have to right click on the CoD icon, go to properties and tell it not to auto-update. Maybe that happened to Volksieg as well and now he has files from both versions? If so, that could cause problems.


See, the "no matter alpha or beta" is actually far from no matter, it's the crux of the matter in fact. Alpha usually means internal testing.

In other words, trying out things to see how they work (or not) before deciding which solution to implement. After deciding which is the best way to do things, then it goes ahead to implementation and public testing (this is the beta), then the final tweaking is done and released through the final version.

So, to all whom it may concern (and not just the poster in the above quote)...

This patch is not the patch that was meant to cure everybody's problems. It's the patch they would be running internally in their offices and trying things out just for the sake of seeing what works best. What does this mean? Simply put, it's a test of available solutions, not the best possible implementation of the solution deemed optimal.

A large part of this community has been asking for more involvement in the internal workings of the sim's development and that's what we got. Software development however follows specific development cycles. We used to be seeing the end result, we have moved to getting access to beta testing and now we have an alpha. It's like we're practically in their offices testing this thing with their programmers now. In other words it's work, not play.

And because i know someone will ask the obvious, "why should i work for free then after buying the sim?" the answer is already there. Nobody has to. Installing this alpha patch and taking part in the process is a completely voluntary and optional process.

If people want to beta test they should beta test, if they want to take part in an alpha they should, if they feel ripped off when getting involved with the development of the sim they should just sit back and let other members of the community do it. No harm done either way.

What is definitely not ok though is ignoring what this patch really is, attaching our own personal wishlist to it and then using its non-fulfillment as grounds for complaints. This patch is not gameplay material, it's code testing, plain and simple.

It's work, not play. If people were happier with the previous version or don't want to put in the work they are free to do so: right click on your CoD icons in Steam, select properties, verify cache integrity and that's it. You're back to the previous version.

But please, if you don't want to work, at least allow those that want to do so. You are going to benefit from their testing as well, so let them find and report those bugs you can't be bothered to.

If some don't want to take part in the testing process they are free to do so. What they cannot do is sabotage the work of others who are willing to sacrifice their personal free time to test a buggy alpha release, so that the rest of you can actually fly a corrected version some day. Otherwise, if some don't want to help and also sabotage those that try to help, they will only have themselves to blame when no further improvements are forthcoming.

It's like a dog biting the feeding hand. People's patience is running thin for sure, but it's running thin both ways. Go for a walk, have a beer and let the rest of the community test this thing so that you can someday fly it too.

I think . IMHO, a real stinker was let out of the barn, and it shocked people,, people had higher expectations... and now they need to say what they think...
sure, we send in our dmp files... but people are a bit upset when everything went bad instead of better..

Its a mixed bag, some got better performance.

Same results here, Baron.
I went to the Steam properties for the game and validated the game files, which brought the game back to the unpatched version, then it started fine, but I cannot get the game to start at all (other than the reticle) with the patch installed.
I even deleted the cache and defragmented the cache using the options in Steam.
This is just a bit frustrating!!
Looks like I'll be waiting for a patch to the patch to come out to fix the problem with the new version not starting at all!!
:(

AKA_Goshawk

Not good enough Insuber,

My tests with the previous patch showed that the memory leak happens slowly while my airplane flies over new ground territory - new airplanes and while I zoom-in/ zoom-out.

Depending on the situation [never managed to understand when] the PC-RAM will increase [and afterwards decrease] or, it will increase and stay increased.

Therefore, if you leave the plane flying over the same path (loop a recording) or parked on the ground, it is unprobable that the memory leak will occur.

My 2cents - sorry for being a spoiler...

~S~

Better you than me... :D


Sorry - BAD, BAD JOKE!
(too difficult to resist...)

I saw Radeon HD 6770 1gb, I am so afraid that it is the VRAM issue.
Have you installed something to monitor your available VRAM? I am sorry I am an NV guy thus can not offer advice on SW for ATI.

The fact that it played well in the beginning and crapped out 24hrs later is still unexplicable.
It can ofcourse be the famous bug that switches your card in power saving mode...
(again you need a SW to monitor this as well as your VRAM usage...)


~S~

crashes
 

15 crashes today, whats the email I can dump the logs to?

They released it to shut people up who were screaming for the patch; now look where we are.

lmao ..figured someone would respond this way.:rolleyes:

pc is far from crap .. other flight sims and games play no problem only this software that runs very poor and i wasted my money.

last post here farewell.

I am in the same boat as you.
I have gone from 2-3hrs without CTD to 10minutes just about every time.
I have spent my whole Sunday trying this and that.
ie.
Deleted Cache folder - it re-built on start
Re-installed ATI graphic Drivers & CCC
Re-installed old Driver
Disabled Steam 'in-game' overlay
Disabled Steam 'synch to Cloud'
Monitored Graphics card temp & activity
Disabled 'sound=0' in conf
Disabled TrackIR
Disabled CH Manager
Substituted files here & there...


Whatever it is ...it happens in 10-15mins when only in the air...on ground is okay...was sitting for over 1hr on ground engine running.
Though it does NOT happen in Single Player

When I returned to last patch...all was good.

Any ideas ppl??


My Box:
Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate x64 - Version 6.1.7601 Service Pack 1 Build 7601
Processor - Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-930 @ 2.80GHz, O'Clocked to 4.1GHz
Physical Memory (RAM) - 6.00 GB
Graphics - AMD Saphire Radeon HD 6970 - Driver& CCC- 12.4
Game Resolution - 1680 x 1050 x 60 hertz
System Drive - OCZ VERTEX 3 SSD 120GB
Thermaltake Water Cooled Graphics & CPU - Max. 44deg C

No ideas, because I am having the same experience.

Just had a speed test in the Rotol Hurricane. Couldn't get more than 230mph ASi out of it, trimmed, level flight, at various RPm (best 2650). According to this:

http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.o...rricane-I.html

I should get 261mph with the Rotol which is 290mph TAS. So, only missing 30mph, and that is WITHOUT the further 20-30mph I should be getting with the tit pulled for 100 octane.

50mph too slow @10kft

Grathos, I know I had extensive experience of CTD's:-D, sometimes they occurred even with the plane parked on the ground, I saw the RAM filling up until some 80%, and then booom! The PC exploded ... no just kidding, it only froze and had to ctrl-alt-del.

Anyway I flew for a couple of hours w/o CTD's.

Cheers!

And, BTW, I want the Spit and Hurris performance back to were they belong, otherwise it's not funny at all for us blue pilots. And I will be obliged to fly red!! ;-)

Agree 100%.. Let's hope everyone's joint feedback and bug reporting will speed up the process :cool:

Well, it is very strange indeed. After so much time spent on fixing known issues, and adding to the fact that those known issues are actually removed (!!!) from the "test" , we should have at least the majority experiencing good to great improvements...And Bsix comment is event more strange : few days for the grass, few more days for the clouds...So why not have waited another couple of weeks (:cool:) and presented a real patch ? What was the rush at this point ?
IMHO, they are screwed at this point and need a loooooooot of wideworld betatesters to fix what is left unfixed. Or, they did not put much work in the patch for the last 6 months...The sequel was a priority to get new fresh money in and now they try to fix COD's code with new developpement done for the sequel....

how do uninstall the patch? :)

Make sure you send crash dumps to 1C to have these crashes fixed in the 2nd beta. Link is below.

See 1st post of the bug thread http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=31760

Check game files integrity in Steam in CloD properties.

If you do not have your system specs in your sig you crash more often usually :)

If it is not a crash but rather minimization to system tray there is a solution: change to window mode, restart game, change to fullscreen, restart game.

Positive Change on my PC.
 

Just thought I'd add my experiences and such. The patch has given a major increase in performance on my setup ranging from 56% to 82% increased frame rate. The specific results and hardware are viewable in my attached image. Some of the increase might be attributed to the newer GPU driver, as my graphics card was smoking new (as in, just launched) when doing the 1.05 tests, and AMD might have managed to boost it further. All in all, I'm very satisfied with this, and I extend a warm thank you to Luthier, Black6 &Co. :grin: Keep your good work commin'.

Hello, i installed teh patch and i saw little movements foward in the sim, some things that cant work or work good are now turned off, i see that reasonable, so, i think its in the good way now, only we need to wait to theses CTDs,Errors and the things turned off to be fixed in the patch, lets hope we will see it next week, and remember people, its a BETA patch, the things will not be Perfectly, its that becose its a BETA patch, just wait the real PATCH.

So now it's the end users fault that the game seems to have taken two steps backwards? I've been very patient in waiting for the patch, and will continue to do so. I don't see though how we as users are now responsible for the failed state of the game. They have had 14 months to polish this thing, and we are always just a few days, weeks, etc from a fully optimized and stable game, with good performance, instead they tore the engine apart, and thought what could not be done in many years, a flyable sim, could be reworked in a mere handful of months.

I have no idea what systems the devs were testing this game on when iit was in development (much of the high end hardware being used now didnt even exist when the game was released) and I wish I knew what the system specs were they are alpha/beta testing the game on. Too many unknowns.

I really think I'll just avoid the frustration for now, some new titles coming out and good old standbys which are really more fun to play, and I don't see BOM as anything for the realistic future if at all.

Hi

Have more than 10 fps drop and tones of stuttering, unplayabe.
Before this patch was ok.

Sooo ... let's recap my experience today, after few hours on ATAG:

- fps: no increase on my machine, but they were already ok. Avg is around 28-30.
- stutter: no stutter or very very rare before; I have frequent 1 sec freezes now. Someone says that it's when a new custom skin is loaded. I cannot verify this. I had those freezes seldom also when in dogfight.
- CTD: never had one after the patch, vs. around one every 1h to 2 hours before.
- graphics: no comment as the devs have disables some gfx features for this beta. Anyway I was surprised to see that the trees shadows shimmering is sill there, despite the new gfx engine. Promised or not ...
- FM's: didn't try the red planes. The 109 seemed to climb better at high alt. The G.50 is now playable, despite the initial heating time is still very long. Once my 109 entered in an unrecoverable spin, lwhere before it was nearly impossible to spin. No change on the 110 as far as I can tell.
- sound: the only big issue before was that pesky sound radar, and it is still there. I didn't try the new Merlins. Breda Safats had a nice sound.
- ground explosions: I've noticed a shock wave on ground explosions which I'm not sure was there before. Nice.
- misc: the canopy doesn't get wet in the clouds anymore on the 109, while it still does on the G.50. Weird.

Cheers,
Insuber

Wow,
Just got back from an out of town weekend, see this patch has been released and have read most of this thread. I purchased CLOD several weeks ago, and have kind of been in a holding pattern as I knew the patch was coming. I did get all my control mappings done, so I am good to go when the time comes.

Not sure what to think after reading this thread, but I realize this is bascially an alph patch and they are hoping to get a lot more feedback I guess for areas they need to work on.
I think I will hold off until the patch is complete or at least more complete.

I do hope they get it to the level most folks here have been waiting patiently on for many months.

I didn't install this alpha patch and I'm getting the feeling that 99 percent of those who did shouldn't have... - Do those 99 percent even know what an alpha patch is, I ask myself?

1) It is for those who feel really comfortable messing around with their game installation.

2) It is for those who actually read the read-me that comes with the patch.

3) It is for those who are ready to send in info about bugs in the proper format.

4) It is for those who realize that the purpose of installing an alpha patch is not to play the sim, but to take part in the procedure of improving the coding.

- I haven't got neither the time nor the inclination nor the knowledge to take part in all that, but obviously this forum is full of expert programmers who feel qualified to do it... A lot of them just hide it very well... :)

will we still get that black screen on start up with this patch???:( that makes the sim un playable has adding the update got the sim working for you now???:confused:

xxx
 

Fantastic shall give it a try ...

is not working for me at all, i extract the files in the il2 folder, merged files and launcher dont start, only see the plain logo.
help please, no servers with old version.

i5 2500k
asus saberthot
evga gtx 560 ssc
16gb ram
windows 7 64bit

How long did you wait for the game to start? First time I opened the game after installing I waited for what seemed like forever, almost force stopped it but decided to make a sandwich instead. Game was up when I returned.

Since then it opens about as quick as before patch.

I read all the posts, backed up my existing install and then installed the patch.

Firstly, I should say I've never had stutters....not ever. I fly with everything on medium and only V-synch enables as I hate tearing. I rarely get a CTD either, but it does happen.

So after the patch I got improved frame rates, but not really noticeably. Sure the numbers were a bit better but without SHOW FPS I woukdn't have noticed. The AI seems better, the cockpit frame is better anti-aliased but no degrading on dials etc. I do unfortunately now have patchy land colours afar which I never had before.

I normally measure a game by how it feels, immersion, glitches and all that. I 'm not really interested in numbers, FPS, etc....just how it 'feels'. And my conclusion is that the new patch is an improvement, in the playability more so than graphics, or sound, or whatever. I simply plays better, but not by a huge amount.

In short, there is not a great deal of difference, but a slight improvement.

Having read all these posts, I feel there is so much diversity on the results. I have an OCd i5 running at about 4.5. A 560Ti with 2 GB GDR 5 ram and 8 gig mem ram on a Windows 7 64 bit OS.

The game has always ran reasonably well with all the patches and I feel embarrassingly fortunate not to have suffered what a lot of people seem to out
Sorry, I did say I short didn't I...well in short, I think this game is VeryVery pc spec dependant.....That said I hear people with better pc specs than mine are having a bad time with it which makes me think the whole graphics engine is.....temperamental.....which is a real shame.

I do hope they manage to sort it out as it's a small crime that so many are having such a bad time with Clod. It's really quite enjoyable when it works so I'm gonna go sit on the optimist fence and cross my fingers.

ALPHA???
I'LL wait till there's a proven patch suited for release.
Thank You

Thanks development team for releasing this Beta patch.

I no longer have CTD's when flying online.

Game runs very smooth with no micro-stutters (runs best with SLi disabled)
Good frame rates (was never a problem for me)

Blenheim is much nicer to fly. :grin:

Of course there are still issues to resolve but I believe it's a step in the right direction.

Well Done!

Thanks for the tip, but it didn't help. reinstalled, applied the patch again and removed logo. It silently CTD after the small plane on sight logo appears.

Will check again in two or three years.

Nah, I'm still going to wait until the game is officially patched up and I read that most people are satisfied.

I'm sure the developers know there are a bunch of folks cash in hand, waiting for that to happen, and I'm sure they are doing the best they can, knowing that there is new money out there for the taking.

I feel bad for all the early buyers out there who have been waiting so long.

Welp. Time to uninstall this turkey from my HD. My patience has run out. This patch is a joke.

I've wasted 50 bucks on plenty of games that were awful. I never thought I would feel that way with a sim in the IL-2 bloodline.

I was wrong.

probably you did extract the patch with winzip?i think that doesnt work...

with 7zip it should work..

Can you read (first side):
The main purpose of the alpha is to find and squash any remaining or new bugs, especially crash bugs. The most common of the infamous launcher crashes have been fixed, but a few very hard to catch bugs remain. On average, a full day of flying causes about 0.8 crashes, and our internal testing has not yet provided the crash logs needed to zero in on the issue.

If you don't like to test you should not install the patch and wait for the regular update.

I think it is first time in gaming industry when the customers were given PUBLIC AND OPEN ALPHA .... PATCH of their game and developers called it BETA PATCH v1.06.17582

Guys, dont make fools from yourselves please. IF they produced ALPHA PATCH, why they didn't test it with chosen group of community members before they go with it to the public? Or did they do it? If yes, it is not alpha anymore. Alpha is always internal and secret - just because so many bugs are there and of course main features are missing. But this is Russia, so maybe project management of software development is different there.

Not to mention that "this" was released to the public after ONE year and ONE month after release of original game.:!:

thanks for this awsome patch my game is now 100% better playable then before, even over land. Not many stutters left here and i play in highest settings. Great job everyone.

With those specs?

Good work Devs

I'm getting a noticeable improvement in fps and less micro stutter at low altitude with grass, shadows and trees on.

I was able to turn the resolution up too!

runnig @ 1600x900 solid 60fps unless very low over trees 45fps

I don't use in game AA i use FXAA

Oh well.... no point any more ... this company will either pull the proverbial rabbit out of it's arse or.. at the current standard... disappear. good luck... And I love your spin Luthier...:grin:

I didn't install this alpha patch and I'm getting the feeling that 99 percent of those who did shouldn't have... - Do those 99 percent even know what an alpha patch is, I ask myself?

1) It is for those who feel really comfortable messing around with their game installation.

2) It is for those who actually read the read-me that comes with the patch.

3) It is for those who are ready to send in info about bugs in the proper format.

4) It is for those who realize that the purpose of installing an alpha patch is not to play the sim, but to take part in the procedure of improving the coding.

- I haven't got neither the time nor the inclination nor the knowledge to take part in all that, but obviously this forum is full of expert programmers who feel qualified to do it... A lot of them just hide it very well... :)

.....and its for those who have purchased this game over 15 months ago and are still desperate to get this game working in some sort of capacity.

Yep... :(

2 weeks ago we were told this Frey...

"I believe however that, rather than presenting ourselves as a team that releases half-finished patches with lots of graphic issues, we should work very hard on building the reputation for making things right, the first time, however long it takes"

Then on release its a Alpha with lots of problems, features taken out instead off fixes and features added.

We were told the CTD were fixed...for alot of people they are clearly not.

were going backwards.

Yup..........for me,all the time you have things like the grass appearing in the hangars,it's woefully apparent the devs are'nt checking the content of their creations.......:rolleyes:

Hi Guys!

Ok, I can't help myself, i have to post this:

October 2011:
Performance. We are in final stages of testing a thorough overhaul of the game’s graphic engine. It won’t look any different but it will be much more streamlined. It’s too early to say what the FPS increase will be in the final version, but it shouldn’t be less than 50%.

November 2011:
The graphics reload has finally reached a sufficiently stable alpha state. Public beta is within reach.

March 2012:
The graphics rework is basically done. The average framerate has shot up almost twice.

May 2012: The reality
Avarage fps in Black Death has shot up from about 36 to ASTRONOMIC roughly 40. Certainly no more than 20%. Minimum is still horrible 3 fps or something like that, absolutelly no improvement in minimum fps. As a bonus, I can feel much more microstutters now. The game is surrely not slowing down by CPU cause i get same ressults with CPU at 3,4MHz as well as overclocked at 4,4MHz.

specs:
i5-2500k
hd 6950
8GB Ram

So it must be joke, or i don't know, but devs can't mean this serious. It's really sad:-(

Thansk team for all the work, i won't upgrade yet as my game works ok,

If anyone has SLI, does the game work better with SLI or not?

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The purpose of this alpha is to collect crashlogs and crashdumps in order to fix CTD for those who still have them. It is stated in the readme. This can not work other way around: fix all types of CTD and then test. Not possible.

See this success story on multi-engine formation flying CTD fix. http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=31835

The more CTDs you have in alpha the better because you can report them. No point to install alpha or beta otherwise.

Many people think the devs uploaded alpha to make game more enjoyable for them. No, the purpose is to collect bugreports and crashlogs as stated in the readme. It is really hard to get it when we all want a more enjoyable game but this is stated in the patch readme.

Please play, crash and report. The more the better :)

PS. Please vote to get high-res cockpits back here http://www.il2bugtracker.com/issues/246

Yup funny no? it always worked good on my system for some reason just had stuters over land but now that is dramaticly less since last patch

I guess i'm lucky then.

I'll definitely look into that, GRAthos. Cheers :)

My biggest bugbear which, I suppose, led to me blowing my top somewhat is that, throughout the majority of this wait, I have been supportive.... though not to the degree of utter fanboy. lol I have held a lot of faith in the development team, always certain that the miracle patch would arrive sooner than later yet I have also always said that I fully understand the rage of some on here and have always tried to see things from their point of view as dissatisfied customers.

As has been explained in this thread, and elsewhere, this is just an alpha test and an opportunity for the player base to help with testing and squashing of bugs and is not the patch we are looking for.... and that makes me think I knee jerked slightly.... but......

I am having trouble shaking the horrible feeling we are being led up the garden path slightly inasmuch as the development team was well aware of the various problems and have been for some time and yet, throughout this time, they keep "Discovering" the very problems we have been reporting since day one. One minute they claim they are close to fixing everything and the next it is scuppered due to some unimaginable and horrible surprise....which, the majority of the time, is actually one or more of the very things they claimed they were fixing in the first place! :confused:

I wasn't expecting the cure.... but I was expecting some signs of the ongoing treatment... if that makes sense?

I get the image in my mind of someone going to see a doctor because their leg has somehow mysteriously gone missing.... being put through hundreds of tests only for them to be told, months down the line, that the problem is.... their leg is missing. :D

"We shall fit the prosthetic soon, good sir!"

...a few months pass....

"Unfortunately we are unable to fit the new prosthetic limb as unforeseeable circumstances have arisen. We regret to inform you that you are missing a leg"

...a few months pass....

"We have great news, sir! We are giving you the chance to hobble around on your stump for awhile so you can tell us what may be causing the hobbling. We warn you now that there will be a lot of hobbling involved, mind, as we have not fixed the prosthetic limb yet and...erm... we've cut off your other one. The great news is that, those who have had the other leg removed are reporting as much as a 50% gain in performance due to the new ability to shuffle along on stumps of equal length!"


:D

i wait a bit, then steam regenerate cache, then plain logo start, the screen go to black (like if launcher would start) and back to the desktop.

Im back in non patched version :( .

Another idea???

Have you stopped it connecting to the steam cloud?

EDIT: Sorry.... thought you meant is was inexplicably resetting to pre-patch version. lol

Try switching to windowed mode (in conf.ini). Start in windowed mode. Select fullscreen mode, restart game.

+1 thats what i did and worked

Whats with all this "remember guys this is an alpha patch "bull crap coming from, Blacksix as stated many times that the very reason us suckers have had to wait so long for this 'patch' is that they wanted it to be a proper finished patch and then let us have a beta, not wanting to be seen as team that makes half finished patches. So who is talking bollocks here, is it BlackSix or all you disciples who keep telling us that its an Alpha patch?

Or perhaps the problems go beyond their testing capabilities, and releasing an alpha patch expands the data collecting capabilities to be able to better squash bugs... right now its going to be how fast they turn out new versions of this patch with the collected data... or just keep thinking their ultimate plan is to turn out a crap game because that will enable them to sell more games in the future much better... lol... come on...

I made an promise to a forum moderator, I won't rock the boat upon lifting my unfounded ban. So my comment here is on this "alpha" patch:

At least the patch was way more lenient than on WW2OL players back in early days. Their beta patch did wipe out unfortunate downloaders hard drives... :D

Cheers! :)

You are trying to make your point using outdated information similar to DX11 case. Devs made a different decision on May 05, 2012 as goes from the patch notes.

BTW information that luthier mentioned that DX11 will be their priority one year ago is also outdated.

When time passes different decisions are made and priorities change. It is logical, reasonable and in general clever to take time and changes into account, isn't it? Without logic being used it is not an argument but trolling.

Hey Tree, it's an alpha patch. Read BlackSix's post.

I guess they're testing Geometry Shaders, as that's the only real reason to go from dx9 to dx10.

Funnily enough - it's a big improvement performance wise for me too - also with a gtx260. No crashes either. (Maybe some of you folks who splashed out on gtx680s recently might be able to pick one up on EBay? :cool: ;) )

I tend to agree with Freycinet (and Ataros, etc) - people need to get their heads around the fact that they have (with another late decision apparently) decided to release an alpha mainly for purpose of getting an expanded user test base to massively increase feedback about bugs. They have concluded that they weren't making good enough progress with a small team of testers.

But, I think where they have screwed up this time is (yet again) in communication. (Ideally) there should have been advance warning of exactly what was going to be released. With everyone on tenterhooks eagerly expecting THE PATCH, to say right at the release that there was changed plans and what we in fact were getting was an alpha obviously didn't really cut through the excitement and eagerness to download and install (labelling the post title as 'beta' didn't help either). There really should have been advance notice and a WARNING not to install unless you were willing to take part in the testing process.

Don't want to be too critical - expect it was all a bit last minute, seat of the pants as usual, but ideally they should have planned/communicated it better.

For those having big problems with the patch the solution is obvious (and easy) - let Steam rewind the game back to its previous state. If you were enjoying it before keep playing the old until the new patch is done. If you weren't enjoying it, play ROF, DCS, or whatever you were into.

For the rest of us, let's do what we can to provide feedback as asked on the (many) issues still to be fixed. That way we all benefit.

So very true.

That's pretty much it. If anyone is comfortable with the above, apply the patch and test it out a bit.

If you don't like it and don't want to keep testing, just go back to the previous version (verify local game file integrity through Steam and it will roll back your version).

I suggest that everyone should enable crash logs, clear their documents\1c softclub\IL-2 CoD\cache folder, apply the patch and fly with it for a couple of times. Just a couple. If you crash, just send the crash logs to 1c and go back to the previous version. If you don't and you like the new patch, keep flying.

Fly, crash and send the logs, then go back to the previous version if you want to ;)



They said so, but many were constantly asking for some early scraps to cut their teeth into. They got it, half-baked or not, so they better start chewing or don't ever bring up the subject again.

You see, they can't expect to change their set of "requirements" depending on whatever suits their usual point scoring and "tit-for-tat" argumentation and expect that
a) nobody will call them out on their self-contradictions and
b) they will maintain any sort of credibility.

To afford them that luxury is to afford them the luxury of considering the rest of us idiots and frankly, i don't know how the rest of the community feels but i'm not going to do them such a favor.


Also...

[Moderating mode on]
This is a forum with people of different ages and background, not a small gathering between long-time mates at the pub. You keep doing this and ignoring any pointers to correct this behaviour, so i'll say it in a way you'll understand. Pleas sir, mind your ******* language :-P
[moderating mode off]

Nothing personal, i just don't want you wondering again if i personally dislike you, when in reality it's just your infraction points adding up to another ban :grin:

Tree my friend don't you feel like beating a dead donkey sometimes? It could be good as anti- stress but it looks seriously useless. Just my humble advice.

Cheers!

Important
 

I received this tip from different users at the forum, and this proved to work:

For those with problems starting the game after the patch, don't use Winzip. Try to uncompress the patch with 7Zip or WinRar.
Winzip apparently works, but the result is that the game crashes right after starting it.

Thanks Bounder! and David198502 for advising. Devs, I think that this is important to be noted on the first post.
Now for the testing!

I am very disappointed in this alpha patch. I thought it would be a proper alpha and I would get to do proper testing and send crashlogs and stuff. Apart from the graphic things I now miss like damage from MG hits, I have not any problems or crashes to report. My fps is about same, but stutters much less. I can't see any difference in FMs as I am not expert to spot them. Also I can't get wingman commands to work still, but that is probably me - how to tell if they are working or not? Someone has a good test case?

Anyway, call this an alpha patch? Shame on you! Is beta at least...

;(

Oh, my machine Acer i7 laptop gtx 560m 2G vram, 4g system ram

Huh? :confused:

this is well spotted

FYI for those of you unaware.... "Beta" is closer to the finished product than "Alpha".

Alpha - still missing features, can cause crashes, etc etc.

Beta - product is "feature complete" but work remains to be done

That's why alpha should go to a selected group of knowledgeable people, as Freycinet said. Some humor now. I was reading a Dilbert strip (no offense intended to anyone, it's just a joke):

Dilbert, presenting his project to his bald boss:

"we interviewed hundreds of users and turned out all of their suggestions into features"
"as it turns out, every user we talked to was an idiot, and their dumb suggestions ruined our product"
"in hindsight, we probably should have talked to people who work outside this building..."

I just found that funny ...

Cheers!

Captain, once again, Tree is right ! This rushed release (once again !) unfinnished patch makes no sense at all considering what we have been told for the last few months....Why not have waited till the grass, clouds and particules issues been solved ? That is exactly why the patch had been kept from us for that long...AT this stage, IMHO, we should at least have the vast majority getting much better performances, considering the fact that grass and clouds are " disabled " !!!! You know, FooBar was banned for bringing up the old patch thread...Well, go back and read it again...SAME FREAKIN' THING !!! :grin: We are basically at the same stage ! Once again, was Tree really out of line we he " doubted" devs explanations and last minute delays regarding the patch ?

2 days of many flight hours and only 1 launcher crash. For me this is a big improvement since the CTDs were THE major gamebreaker.
I am sure performance will be further increased in the coming weeks.

Winger

+1

just remember guys, it was released to us in hopes of helping Illya and Clod Company, in getting this Sim in a good state of release. The more machines this is running on with reports will help get the bugs out.

Now you're talkin!

steam cloud was stopped :(

I switch in conf.ini Fullscreen: 0 and again try to run in full screen, and dont start launcher

I don't understand.... did you expect an alpha patch to be "finished"?

I would probably have preferred they done that, but lots of folks here were clamoring for 1C to just release it in whatever state it was in.

I have no idea what you are talking about. My game has grass and clouds. Grass and clouds certainly aren't disabled.

Foobar was banned for resurrecting and old thread to troll everyone into thinking a patch has been released. I'm glad he got banned.

As for the patch: Anyone who knows anything about software development (game engine development in particular) knows that writing a render pipeline essentially from scratch is a hugely involved task. Fixing crashes is mostly just finding corner-cases that you overlooked.

hi downloaded the beta and ive put it in the steamapp\commons section do i have to extract it if so do u need a torrent to thanks

im using wirar :cool:

Right click on the patch rar file. Click "Unblock" hit "OK" and reinstall the patch. For some reason my WinZip extractor doesn't seem to be installing all the files of the patch. After "Unblocking" everything works.

You have to watch things like Norton as well, they can grab and delete files while you are extracting a times too...

Seems good for me. Just that cable coming off of the E4's throttle that X-Rays threw the fuselage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DfAWwFcu1k
WATCH IN 720 and full screen

a little somethign from the patch :grin:

Time to add my thrupence' worth.

After lots of weirdness, every reboot seems to have reduced the problems. I found problems aplenty (from spawning at a thousand feet, having my controls reset, etc) but all seem to have solved themselves. Thank goodness My CEM has come back (it was missing there for a while!) and now the game feels a lot lot smoother.

Yes, there are still glitches in my game. Today first there was no aircraft sound. The second time, the sound had come back but the skin was missing on my Spit. Third time, it was all there, but yes, the brakes were on. So, pumping the brake is a must, as is opening the rad, since the Spitfire at any rate comes warmed up nicely. In fact, if you're quick, on spawning I found you can hit the fuel pump and keep the engine going (but remember to open the feckin' rad).

Obviously, it's a bit rough and ready, but this is a feature we'd been hoping for: a pre-warmed engine. And they've given it to us. Presumably, eventually there'll be an option for it. They've just got to iron out the implementation.

I've found the AI better, and ground handling seem to have changed. Eg. my Spitfire Mk II got to rotation speed OK, but took an age to get faster than just above stall speed (I'm slightly concerned about the behaviour of the Spit's throttle - very little change at the top of the curve), so it is a while before I am able to start to climb. Landing, she took much much longer to slow down (In fact my AI wingman landed first (Hey! It landed!), but overshot the runway...!), so I suppose getting the landing speed just right is going to be more important.

I'm impressed, my faith is restored and all's right with the world.

Thanks Devs! :cool:

lol. the stutters or the missing bullet effects on the left side?

Since when this patch was supposed to be "alpha" ? Go back and read again all Bsix updates...for the last 10 weeks...

Since when 1C gets influenced by impatient "whiners" to the point of releasing a barely working patch ?

Really ?

Known Issues

• Not fully optimized: grass, clouds, and trees. Clouds cause constant FPS drop; grass and trees cause hick-ups. A few extra days of work for this, a few days for grass, few days for clouds, we felt that we could start open testing the patch without waiting for these changes.
• Texture cache failing to draw higher-res textures on close-up objects with lower settings on below-recommended video cards.
• Weathering textures on aircraft appear shiny in shadows.
• No damage decals on aircraft from small-caliber hits.
• The hit flash effects are temporarily turned off.
• Far and medium distance clouds are temporarily turned off.
• Text in dialogue windows in the mission builder may appear bugged with other dialogue windows underneath.
• The front line in mission builder and minimap is drawn incorrectly.

Glad he was banned ? Even the MOds are sad it happened...Anyway... I was referring to the content of the thread...Not to the one who put it back...

We know that...Once again and read all the past Bsix updates where he states something like this : We don't want to ruch anything out till all is fixed and working good...We wouldn't want to get flamed again !

lol, didnt notice the missing bullet effects. nice spot. watch again and enjoy the bullet bounce :grin: