LoL, some people JUST DONT GET IT.


And no, its not directed at anyone particular. (im careful as not to hurt anyone's feelings these days)

Thank you Luthier about your technical update.

I want to remind or inform all of you, that in September will be on air in beta the World of planes......and the World of Warplanes!!!.....

I think this product (cod) is in great danger...thats the truth!!!


Banzo??....ok banzo!!!!!!!!!!!!

"out of line and totally uncalled for", what are u on about?

He is posting an short update and puts music to it, essentially "making fun of them selves" and u think that is out of line and uncalled for?

I mean, why?

"hey, this is how much I take into consideration the concerns of a good part of the community", again, wtf? Where in gods name do u get this stuff from?

Im not trying to insult anyone or tell them what to think, but some of u really need to take a step back and THINK. Or at the very least think about why u get soooo upset about everything posted about CoD.

Its honestly been blown way out of proportion at this stage (not just talking about this "update") and no amount of wording can take that fact away.

I know Tree. I have been one of them and I fully support CoD in principle. I was one of the many that said "lay off MG" during the early weeks when they were actively communicating and delivering patches.

My sole argument now is a lack of meaningful information. I know that some people will flame Luthier if they don't like his info but that comes with the territory although I have suggested a locked information post. I would just be glad to have a little light shed on when we can expect the fixes.

We have in excess of 20 people on our Squad Roster, 17 regularly 'active'. We could nearly always put up 10-12 on our squad nights, sometimes more, on-line. Then CoD shattered the Squad. A few can't run CoD at all, only two of us are happy to (I fly COD on non-squad nights) and the rest are disgusted with it. That's almost a 90% rejection rate. We have moved to RoF (not really my choice) until CoD is playable by all of our 'Codders' on-line. I get a lot of good-natured banter and occasionally some pretty harsh criticism for my support of CoD, particularly over Luthier's lack of communication and especially the US release and his little joke. A few of them think I'm mad to bother with it and that's an extension of the problems CoD causes me. These guys are old friends, some of many years, all with WWII combat as our common interest. It's not like I'm some Johnny-no-mates playing off-line, that's of no interest to me, so I have lost WWII on-line air combat with my friends until CoD is fixed. Like the rest of my Squad I can't go back to IL-2, especially Vanilla, as CoD has moved us on but things like the sound bug make it unplayable for too many people.

We know it will get fixed but I'm not prepared for it to be open ended. I wonder what some of the "don't ask" guys on here would say if Luthier said the sound bug, SLi etc weren't going to be fixed until next year. That's not likely to happen but we deserve to be kept informed of their progress.

And just one more thing,

You notice how this started off as a bit of humour and how the usual suspects have dragged it back into a personal fight?

One meaningful post from Luthier would stop all this nonsense.

If it's anything like World of Tanks then he does not have to worry. It's not like World of Tanks is a bad game, just a little basic to make it more gamey fun.

Read a thread over at the WoT and apparently its not uncommon for premium account users to have spent 150-200 euros on accounts, gold and what not since they started playing last year.

Personally i have some (kind) of "fun" with the free version but WoT is also riddled with bugs, wich a few, by the looks of it, will never be fixed.

The entire game is set up to get the user to fork out maximum amount of cash and i thank the gods CoD isnt anything remotely like it.

The complaint thread's would reach an unprecedented amount and level if that was the case.

As i've written quite a few posts before, there are only 10, let it be 12 to 14 people here which can't cope with Luthiers post, regardless of the post-counts.

They've given a good performance in a quite predictable style. Even Tree, who started really lightfooted, but soon returned to his old form.

It's getting boring now.

Luthier, a new post, please. :D :D :D

Oh, please, no, the forum will melt if he does. LoL :)

Luthier left a note,
said he can't take the bullying any more and he's jumped from the office window.
You've done it now Tree.
cyber bullying is a federal offence.

*(Doubles up with laughter) Bwah,ha, ha,ha, ha,ha, ha!

There has been communication. It always ends with people complaining that Luthier does not respect them. It's always a disaster.

And they don't need 5-10 minutes to update you on the progress. It only takes 5 seconds.

"When it's done, it's done."

You can even do the progress update yourself.

They say ignorance is bliss, but just because you enjoy not hearing what they are working on does not mean that everyone here does, I don't want much but just another quick roadmap and what ppl are working on currently would be very welcome.

It's not like were asking for an interview with every single member of the dev team ffs just some info.. Either way I'm patiently waiting and playing the game :)

That's not a development update. That's a social status on how things are going (which, as you suggest, any fool could guess at).
A development update involves progress information, perhaps screenshots, showing tangible progress or development. The update may focus on specific areas of development, with a general inclination as to how much work is still needed; and also how the community may help in suggesting improvements.

The two are completely different, and should not be mixed up. Clearly some aren't bothered my either, others are happy to just hear a word from Luthier (even if it tells us nothing that the last update told us), and then others are annoyed that he could act so smarmy and flippantly about the status of the game. (note: I'm not expressing any personal opinions here).

As some say, 1 minute to say:
-the sound is going well. On Friday we will post a development video showing how it has progressed and later the next week we hope to release a patch to cover_______

takes no time at all, and probably takes less time than the update Luthier posted here (considering he had to open another youtube tab and paste the link etc etc)

Anyway, nothing will change shortly so may the debate continue... :cool:

Why do you need to know more than "they're working on fixing the game"? Does it really make you feel better if they say "we're working in fixing the game, sound is the #1 priority"? What if sound isn't your #1 priority? What if they say that multi-player is the #1 priority and you want them to fix the sound? Is that update still welcome? Are you beginning to see the problem?

That sort of thing does not happen on this planet. Don't believe me? Go to the 777/RoF boards and ask for a progress report like that on their next update. Good luck!

Yes I can see the problem, the problem is you don't want to know anything, however I want to know but I don't want know what you think you know so let luthier come here and tells us what he knows... :rolleyes:

Yes I see where your coming from and I really really don't care, what priorities they have set is not for me to debate over that's luthiers job... All I want to know is what they are working on its an easy way to keep spirits up and build a good relationship up with fan base that why most companies try to keep ppl informed.

..that's probably because they already give steady reports and the game buglist is pretty much ironed out.

I was thinking about putting you in the ignore list, but I find your comments honestly amusing. U r the customer care wet dream ;)

Not even close. The problem is that any sort of progress report is just going to upset people (which you can see every time there is a progress report) for reasons both real and imagined.

BTW, it's not that I don't want to know anything, it's that it makes no difference whether I know anything. The update will be ready when it's ready. It will fix whatever it fixes. There is no way I can change any of that, so what real difference does it make if I know the details?

Well done Luthier! You are keeping us busy without an update lol

No, they don't. The reports here are far more frequent and detailed than the reports over there.

David, are you in a online sqd?

Sigh... read my post again.

I just want to be kept informed.. Not a lot to ask.

Lol :-p

No.

LOL :mrgreen:

*pats Krupi on the shoulder* c'mon mate, there's no point.

No wonder there.. :rolleyes:

I read it the first time. They are already keeping you informed with all you need to know.

What squad do you belong to?

Seriously, if you are going to talk like that make sure you don't slap yourself and the "gang" in the head while doing it.

Not seeing an insult as such, but glass, house, brick comes to mind.


No offence intended.

To yours, I'm your wingman.

While I understand what you're saying and such, I also find myself disagreeing. Yes, I cannot make a difference as to what they're working on, but I'd like to know what to look forward to regardless. If nothing else than to boost my patience-meter and not wipe CLoD off my disks until it's in a more playable state than it currently is.

Can 1C become better in the field of dev-to-Player communication? Of course they can. Yet I find myself understanding why they don't bother, since any and every single post by Luthier finds him under fire for just about any- and everything. If they say they're working on the sounds, people will wail about the flightmodels. If they work on performance-issues, people will wail about the AI. So regardless of what they do, they're damned and will come under fire. Some will say that such is the life of a software-dev, but seriously, can you blame them for not communicating when all they get is a deluge of sewage and manure coming in at mach 4-speeds horizontally?

Thank you Baron, yet another precious feedback from you that I will treasure in my favourite posts for the years to come. Keep up the good work!

Well I don't know about you but I would rather go through life with some info of what's going on around me and know about the pit holes and scary bugs, but if you like wondering around with a blind fold on thats your prerogative not mine so just go wander straight off a cliff...

If you're (not "you" specifically) going to spend your days (for month after month after month) complaining that the devs are not keeping you up to date on their progress (even as they keep posting progress reports), then another progress report really isn't going to change anything. (this isn't directed at you, but that is the general theme of this board)

Would I like to know? Sure. Do I need to know? Not even a little.

It's a game. There are no cliffs.

Glad to help even though it will probably be forgotten in an minute or 2.

David, you understand that people want different things?
and that people think differently to you?

The reason i ask is, if you was in a online sqd, i would bet you would have people who you could talk to in person(TS,Vent).
And talking to them instead of posting here you might think differently.

Over the last few days ive been flying and chatting online with Krupi, we used to disagree about a few things on here but after chatting we get along just fine.

Do you have Teamspeak 2?

Edit. that goes to Baron, Frey or anyone else that thinks im a moaning whining malcontent. :)

Really what's the name of the game... We have a smart one here don't we.

This thread is so weird. It's so full of nonsense and pointless blabber, yet I can't help myself from reading. Kinda like a day time soap opera, it's cheesy and it sucks but somehow it manages to attract people. Here's a random -almost- Simpsons clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-TZ8...eature=related

I'm not sure why that matters? We have seen regular updates and they all end up with people complaining.

I know, its just i dont get why you object so much, how does it affect you?

So do you have TS 2? lets talk.

Oh im in =BKHZ= online sqd

Yes it has been useful, talking on ts get around the personal insults that we get on a forum... While we disagree on somethings at the end of the day we are still positive on the future of the game its just a matter of time before it's sorted.

But we have come to agree that we should be kept in the loop regardless of what effect we can have on the patches.

Yep, come on David, im extending my hand in friendship :)

Lets talk.

The only thing I object to is all the whining in here. It affects me because it makes this board unreadable. No amount of talking is going to change that.

Unreadable? come on now, is that the only reason?

That is the point!!!

We all think that we "should be kept in the loop", the problem is this little word : should !!!

But when i look at most of the demanding posts they are read like :

"We must have information"

"We have a right for information"

"We demand information"

Thats very different from "We should have information"

I also would like to be informed more regularily, but i wouldn't think of demanding that.

Lets agree to "we should have more and regular information."

And of course "Peace for the world" :D

@david

I entirely agree but we should be getting some sort of info, communication is at the heart of all relationships and it the same for this forum.

Yes, unreadable. I can't even think of any other reasons why I would care.

So if we had a sub forum for this sort of post, you would be happy? and leave us moaners alone?

If it was combined with a 1 month ban for complaining or polls about more info from the devs on the main board, that would be great.

Ahhhh i think thats more the reason David, you just dont like us.

Even more reason to have a proper chat.

LMAO, nice...

No, it's really just the whining that I don't like. I think the RoF board is GREAT. You can get a lot of useful info there without wading through countless posts complaining about not being respected. Whining is not tolerated.

Then why dont you just put us all on ignore?

I don't use ignore. Ignored posters can still be seen when they are quoted. And it's possible that an ignored poster might say something useful.

When did you read the last development update? Did I miss something?

More than with a month before, on 24th June we got last patch. One week later, on 1th July we meet the team (no update), 20 (!) day later Luthier welcomed the American customers (no update, without a word to the others (older) customers), and after that, yesterday we got luthier last post (you call it dev update?).

But nothing would be a trouble if the product, which was sold to us, would be perfect. But this attitude is – with a mildest word – annoying for the person who got used to a western customer service.

A thought to the end. The VO101 sqn existing since 1999, we have 17 active members currently, who play regularly after IL-2 (A-10, ROF, Arma, WoT, ect). To say potential COD customers.
From the 17 men 5 people who bought the game. Two people was it totally given up, two of them playing 1-2 times per month. And I am playing alone weekly. This not representative statistics i know, but I would not be surprised if similar numbers would be calculated in other old squads (i know the other hungarian saquads, there is the same, or worse).

And this very rough. :(

It was yesterday.

I won't mention JG52...
One member playing regularly I think (Krupi).I play it occasionally, but I'm not feelin' the love yet.

If you like banjo music.

I do.

I also learned that the team is still alive and that the sound fix is progressing.

Which we already knew...

So as I said. It wasn't a development update, it was a social-status-update.

With sarcasm or without it, Luthier said couple of months before already, that the Sound and the Fullscreen bugfix takes couple of months. Nothing new on this message, nothing "update". :-|

If there was nothing new I guess they are not done yet.

Yeah, that was a message to us, all is going well and Luthier is happy what they have been done now, cannot wait new sounds and other things what next patch is fixing.

There was one other new thing. The level of contempt for this board by the devs has obviously increased. I don't blame them.

I bought the game when it was released in the US. It obviously still has lots of problems. I'm looking forward to the next update, but that probably won't fix all the problems. Hopefully no one will die as a result of those problems.

yeah, cos you're raising the quality bar.. :rolleyes:

Steve Martin used to have a banjo act in his comedy routine in the 70s.

In it he says it's hard to be unhappy while playing a banjo. It's impossible to be depressed while listening to banjo music. To illustrate he starts a wonderfully plucked melody and begins to sing, "Oh death, and grief and sorrow and murder."

Eh. Maybe you had to hear it, but it was pretty funny back in 77.

Well I don't know any one who could be unhappy listening to all this talent. Even the drummer is pretty cool - even if he doesn't: 'oh, behave.'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icMTVV5Lwaw



Why'd I post this? IDK. It's the first thought I had when I read the update yesterday.

Well that explains alot you bought the game July 19th....you've had it a week...the rest of us have had it and the associated problems for months...

A couple of months from now, the tone of your posts will change...your just that type of chap....;)

No, they won't. Well, if someone dies as a result of the problems in this game my tone might change. Otherwise, no.

You have had the game a week,yet have been arguing with people who have had the game for 5 months when they post valid complaints about CoD for months?
That marks you as an internet troll David.

It's no worse than the people who didn't have the game but were still complaining about it (of which there were many). In any case, I've got it now, and I'm still not complaining.

+1

Psst, DH is actually luthier in disguise!

That's just silly. There would be a ban on whining if I were in charge of this board.

Good thing you aren't.

If the whiners would be gone, the counterwhiners would grow weary of themselves, as they'd actually had to discuss the game and come to the conclusion, they'd need to whine, too. At this point the forum self-desintegrates into a misty cloud of logic.

Thanks Luthier, I await the next update about CoD when you have the time.

It's a risk I'd be willing to take.

In any case, that hasn't happened on the RoF board.

LOL, I don't think you saw the RoF board(s) when the game was first released.
This is all part of the development cycle; we may have been spoilt by weekly updates, but we've also been spoilt by false suggestions from the team. Did we expect too much? No, we didn't. Luthier has said himself that the game was in a poor state on release, but silence from the team leads to a lot of (false) assumptions.
Just grit your teeth and bare with it :-P That's all you can do.
Personally, the whingeing is just a product of the development process. I think it's clear why many are unhappy, and considering that many spent their money on false pretences, it is quite acceptable.

Such authoritarian stances make no sense to me. TBH, it's usually just to cover up the fact that the game is in a terrible state. I think it's nice to see that Luthier can stand it, and yes-he is thick skinned enough to 'soldier' through it, and doesn't need internet fan-bois to hold his hand (this isn't directed at anyone BTW)

Apparently they learned their lesson. Whining posts are quickly locked now.

I wouldn't ban bug reports. I'd ban the whining about the lack of hand-holding by the devs. I'd ban the "I told you so" posts. I'd ban the repeated "why didn't you know about this problem" posts. I'd encourage bug reports.

I am afraid to ask this, but how? :rolleyes: Do we say it with regular development updates? ;-) "Look guys, that you said mistakes on the last week, we corrected these...."

You worked that out on your own?

Sry guys, i have to leave this thread permanently, the laughter attacks is giving me stomach cramps witch makes it hard for me to do things that are actually important.

See u all next update (oooh, cant wait)

LoL

Really? You don't know how to report any bugs you find?

Yes. And I have confidence that you could have figured it out, too.

and alot of others in this thread have worked out something for ourselves too, ....David.

Good!! Hopefully that means a lot less whining about the lack of hand-holding by Luthier.

uhmmm, my wild guess is that we realised you're a troll..

See David your whining is our legitimate complaining at a faulty product that we purchased with our own money.

But lets not start all over again shall we.... :)

My mistake. Carry on...

I just can't help but notice that your months of "legitimate complaining at a faulty product that we purchased with our own money" seems to have resulted in a dev team that is now mocking you.

that's a very questionable assumption. You're quite good at assumptions.

You should check out the first post in this thread. He's definitely mocking you.

Probably. The difference is that I don't care. Many of you obviously care a great deal.

Ok, this is going around in circles obviously, so let me take one quote that struck me in particular to illustrate how the "middle of the road" people view you guys. The quote is by Furbs, but it could just as easily have been a post by Tree or David. Ready? Let's go then :grin:


It's his opinion. That's the annoying thing with you people, and by "you" i mean both "fanboys" and "whiners" alike: you all think you are the holders of the holy grail of universal truth, you speak about your right to have your say and completely disrespect the rights of others to do the same.

When you drag every single thread down to the dumps with the usual routine of "whiner sniping comment" followed by "snappy fanboy comeback", to the point that we can't really talk about what we initially set out to talk about because it's all dragged off topic, to the point where threads with useful information degenerate to personal insults and get locked, then you're not exercising your rights to freedom of speech, you're just depriving others of theirs.

If you get banned for doing so it's not curtailing your freedom of speech, it's protecting the freedom of speech of the rest who you so easily disregard and disrespect. We don't need your slagging matches in every single thread, create your own thread and have a blast but don't annoy everyone else with a total lack of respect for their intentions and interests in starting or participating in a thread. You're like the annoying guy in the pub that barges in, sits at a table with people he doesn't know, interrupts their conversation and forces them to listen to a bunch of things they don't care about and when he's told to shut up he goes all "oh my freedom of speech" :rolleyes:

Well, i have news for those of you that fit the description. It's not us that are intolerant and stifling the opinions of others, it's you and we've officially had enough of your shenanigans.

People will disagree with you and often won't be interested to get convinced, it's the essence of having the freedom to discuss things in venues like an open forum such as this. If people can't get over this they should find a different pass-time that doesn't strain them so much and stop projecting that strain onto everyone else along with their obsessive need to convert everyone else to their beliefs. Have your say, judge the reception and if it's poor keep it to yourself, you're not more important than the rest.

Don't take this personally, you guys have become boring through repetition and as a result you are at a point where you're getting viewed by many as bringing nothing useful to the table, that's why you're getting called out on it by an increasing amount of people as the days go by. They got bored of the "this is broken", "no it's not" repetition, they would prefer a "this is broken, but i have this workaround for you" followed by a report on how it works out, or "there's no stock dynamic campaign but here, i made one for you" followed by some user feedback, like the people who have something useful to offer do in the subforums.

In other words, your strategy is simply getting obsolete by gradually infuriating the civil majority of the community to the point that they'll gladly stop being civil and go out to openly contest your reign of boredom on the forums.

If your aim is to make everyone post with the kind of attitude you guys display then congrats because it's gradually working. I don't know if you'll like it in the end though, because the majority are a quiet bunch who are just waiting to see where this is going and doing their best to have some fun in the meantime.

If they start speaking up against you with the frequency and aggressive proselytizing attitude you guys display, you stand a good change of being effectively hunted out of this forum by the silent majority of the community alone and there won't be no need at all for Luthier or the mods to show you the way out. You'll just be getting swamped by every fed up user every time you speak until you're fed up yourself and quit it, or leave the forums. The ball is in your court guys, your choice.



Mods, can we have a single "rants, speculation, arguments and off-topic megathread" sticky and move all such posts there? Let them have their playground, just make sure they get dragged there at every offending step so we won't have to put up with this anymore?

They are curtailing our freedom of speech by dragging every single discussion their way and if they have a right to moan about things that annoy them, so do the rest of us for being annoyed by them. I demand equal treatment for the part of the community who's fed up with their antics.

You see, it's so easy to play this game guys, get on my soapbox and assume i'm speaking on behalf of others. The difference is i have a multitude of posts spent on helping increase the enjoyment factor with the sim for other people, while most of you have a stream of bickering one-liners among yourselves, so i might have a bit more luck drumming up support for my cause than you do.

The one and only time i actively campaigned for something on these forums, it was improved CEM/aircraft systems and optional clickable cockpits during the sim's development, which we got, and that was convincing the dev team on something which had a real cost in man-hours and money to implement.

I have a feeling it won't be that hard to swing moderation around a bit so you can't dominate every single unrelated post to further your personal agendas, since it costs nothing to just have a sticky thread to move all offending posts to. Heck, if the mods are too busy i'll gladly take on the job for a while.

That doesn't apply to me. I think the devs are the holders of the holy grail of truth. If they want to fix it, it will be fixed. If they don't, you need to accept that it's a "feature" and not a bug.

I deleted a lot of my threads today.I got dragged into a tit for tat exchange with an expert troll to my shame.After 10 years with il2 on various forums I really should know better.
I think a lot of others are falling for the same troll.It does the forum no favours.Ignore is the best way forward.
Must.Try.Harder.

oh come on, don't spoil it! :rolleyes: