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notafinger! 11-05-2012 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jermin (Post 477526)
There are only 2 kinds of people who will firmly deny the existence of cheaters if there does be.

One is the one who is not capable enough to tell the differences between cheaters and aces.

The other one is cheater itself.

Actually the two kinds of people are those who know they are crap pilots, like myself, and try to learn from every encounter and improve their flying. The other are those who think they are Manfred von Richthofen reincarnate and if they lose it's because the other guy was cheating.

III/JG53_Don 11-05-2012 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notafinger! (Post 477619)
Actually the two kinds of people are those who know they are crap pilots, like myself, and try to learn from every encounter and improve their flying. The other are those who think they are Manfred von Richthofen reincarnate and if they lose it's because the other guy was cheating.

+1
there is a huge portion of truth in this statement
Besides if there are cheater in CloD right now I just have no idea, but when I fly online I never got to the idea that one opponent is suspiciously superior
I still live in my fantasy that our small community consists of honourable men and women who wants to be superior due to their flight skills and not due to their hacking skills! :-)

ElAurens 11-05-2012 11:23 AM

Then there are those of us who have been at this a long time and know something isn't correct when we see it.

Look, people denied that there was cheating in IL2 for years, all the while the code had been opened up and the clever "cheats" just carried on padding their and their squads stats all the while maintaining that cheating was not possible.

Now we know differently.

It's no different in CloD.

Only it was opened up to exploits far earlier than IL2 was.

And yes Don, that is a fantasy world sir.

JTDawg 11-05-2012 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notafinger! (Post 477619)
Actually the two kinds of people are those who know they are crap pilots, like myself, and try to learn from every encounter and improve their flying. The other are those who think they are Manfred von Richthofen reincarnate and if they lose it's because the other guy was cheating.

I do agree to a point ;), ,I normally don't get involved with this bs , BUT m8 there are cheats on , just to show that i pay attention , your map, to begin with was a very close in plane sets, performance, speed etc , with really good dog fights etc.
Now after the patch an people know vac is not on or even working, we are right back to the same crap, Point , spit 1a was a very good match with e3, an could even catch the e3 ,(if you took your time ) e1 was easier ! At co alt an speed , we could catch you in the apex of your climb everytime an i mean every time !! Sure you could climb a tad higher ( this is not directed at you , but the blue players i see using this hack) .. NOW what we have is e3 that flys 30 to 50 mph faster then it did 2 weeks ago, THAT can climb at co alt an energy that extra 2 to 3000 feet or more than 2 weeks ago ! an can climb as high as it wants , only to roll over when they want , NOT to lack of speed, as does the fair player!!! The hacks that have been brought up in other threads do work !!! To say they don't is a bold faced lie !!
Your map was really great , as this map really shows the hack is back !!
I do understand the differance between a good pilot an 1 that is pulling B.S., tHEY STICK OUT LIKE A SORE THUMB DOING THE SURERMAN CLIMB, ,What we need is some of these script writers that know these hacks are being used , explain to steam how it is done, then maybe they will do something about it, till then it's a cheaters game !!!! The last patch brought many planes being closer to even speeds etc. now once again we are seeing the uber 109s back in town , not worried abit about a ban or loss of game, If there are 90 planes in game depending on time of day etc. will even split sides to 45 each side , now out of the 45 blue , I would bet a pay check 4 to 8 blue players are using this hack, SO 10 to 15% are using on a daily basis ,
So let's quit dening every body is clean a fair , they are not. To the smart guys that are fair an understand how they do it , help put a end to this very noticiable hack !!!!

notafinger! 11-05-2012 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JTDawg (Post 477689)
So let's quit dening every body is clean a fair , they are not. To the smart guys that are fair an understand how they do it , help put a end to this very noticiable hack !!!!

If you believe that strongly then record tracks and submit to the server admins and have these people banned. Any action against will have to be from the community because I can assure you that nothing is going to happen with VAC.

recoilfx 11-05-2012 01:33 PM

I won't speak for others, but personally when the Spits got their performance back, i had a horrible time out climbing the Spit Ias

- HOWEVER - Recently i have figured out that climbing at 300kms is a lot better than my old 250kms. At this rate, Spits can not keep up AND i still have energy to do a vertical loop to turn this into a vertical fight.

Diving at sustained high speed (equalize boogie's max speed), then gentle climb at 300kms will usually leave the Spits behind.

It may be that other blue riders are figuring out the same thing...

GF_Mastiff 11-05-2012 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by recoilfx (Post 477701)
I won't speak for others, but personally when the Spits got their performance back, i had a horrible time out climbing the Spit Ias

- HOWEVER - Recently i have figured out that climbing at 300kms is a lot better than my old 250kms. At this rate, Spits can not keep up AND i still have energy to do a vertical loop to turn this into a vertical fight.

Diving at sustained high speed (equalize boogie's max speed), then gentle climb at 300kms will usually leave the Spits behind.

It may be that other blue riders are figuring out the same thing...

got there performance back eh? really? where?
we know its out there.

http://www.kegetys.fi/
http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.ph...ml#Post3265101
http://www.kegetys.fi/misc/


and I'm not seeing a gentle climb from those e3 and e1, your one of those magic climbers I have seen a lot of...
and know for a fact those e3, e1, do not climb like the E4...6,000 foot climb from a 0 stall in seconds..mmm wow!

All I see is the back of 109 e1, e3, and of course e4...

there is no biased in this game....

recoilfx 11-05-2012 03:20 PM

Do you really need me to split hair on the definition of getting performance back? The reds DID get their performance back in the last few patches, just not as much as some people may like...

Look... ATAG will ban anyone who is caught cheating. Get MSI Afterburner and RECORD anyone who is doing so. If it's 10-15% rate that JTDawg claims, it shouldn't take along for you guys to assemble the footage.


Quote:

Originally Posted by GF_Mastiff (Post 477741)
got there performance back eh? really? where?
we know its out there.

http://www.kegetys.fi/
http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.ph...ml#Post3265101

and I'm not seeing a gentle climb from those e3 and e1, your one of those magic climbers I have seen a lot of...
and know for a fact those e3, e1, do not climb like the E4...6,000 foot climb from a 0 stall in seconds..mmm wow!

All I see is the back of 109 e1, e3, and of course e4...

there is no biased in this game....


David198502 11-05-2012 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JTDawg (Post 477689)
I do agree to a point ;), ,I normally don't get involved with this bs , BUT m8 there are cheats on , just to show that i pay attention , your map, to begin with was a very close in plane sets, performance, speed etc , with really good dog fights etc.
Now after the patch an people know vac is not on or even working, we are right back to the same crap, Point , spit 1a was a very good match with e3, an could even catch the e3 ,(if you took your time ) e1 was easier ! At co alt an speed , we could catch you in the apex of your climb everytime an i mean every time !! Sure you could climb a tad higher ( this is not directed at you , but the blue players i see using this hack) .. NOW what we have is e3 that flys 30 to 50 mph faster then it did 2 weeks ago, THAT can climb at co alt an energy that extra 2 to 3000 feet or more than 2 weeks ago ! an can climb as high as it wants , only to roll over when they want , NOT to lack of speed, as does the fair player!!! The hacks that have been brought up in other threads do work !!! To say they don't is a bold faced lie !!
Your map was really great , as this map really shows the hack is back !!
I do understand the differance between a good pilot an 1 that is pulling B.S., tHEY STICK OUT LIKE A SORE THUMB DOING THE SURERMAN CLIMB, ,What we need is some of these script writers that know these hacks are being used , explain to steam how it is done, then maybe they will do something about it, till then it's a cheaters game !!!! The last patch brought many planes being closer to even speeds etc. now once again we are seeing the uber 109s back in town , not worried abit about a ban or loss of game, If there are 90 planes in game depending on time of day etc. will even split sides to 45 each side , now out of the 45 blue , I would bet a pay check 4 to 8 blue players are using this hack, SO 10 to 15% are using on a daily basis ,
So let's quit dening every body is clean a fair , they are not. To the smart guys that are fair an understand how they do it , help put a end to this very noticiable hack !!!!

what exactly do you mean with this hack???

i can for example confidently say, that im no cheater, but at ~ equal energy i outclimb spits as well vertical....one just have to fly clean...
and as a pure 109 pilot, i do not notice a difference between the different 109models in climb performance...at least im able to outclimb RAF in all versions.

Robo. 11-05-2012 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GF_Mastiff (Post 477741)
got there performance back eh? really? where?
we know its out there.

http://www.kegetys.fi/
http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.ph...ml#Post3265101
http://www.kegetys.fi/misc/


and I'm not seeing a gentle climb from those e3 and e1, your one of those magic climbers I have seen a lot of...
and know for a fact those e3, e1, do not climb like the E4...6,000 foot climb from a 0 stall in seconds..mmm wow!

All I see is the back of 109 e1, e3, and of course e4...

there is no biased in this game....

I can do that in a 109, Am I a cheater, too? :grin:


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