And next to this; 10-15 years ago we did not pay DM100,00 DM for a game. They were about DM 45,00 which is about € 22,73 today....but this something we should better not reflect.

No, the only difference is; 15 years ago a game worked fine right from the beginning. 10 years ago we got demos and a game was patched once, maybe twice.

Today, we receive no demo, bugged and unfinished produtcs, lousy support and rallying calls to buy sequels....for about € 50,00 or DM 100,00.

That's the point !

Not on my computer it didn't. The difference as I see it is I didn't spam a forum asking for a refund. Because it did have potential I just let it lie for a few years and then came back when it did it did work. (Bought into it again when Pacific fighters was released.)

No anger, no hissy fits and no collapsing in vapours.


Quite simple really.

Who bothers about 45€ ?
Work an hour and u got it.
Spend 4 hours in a pub and u loose it.

Rediculous...sounds like you never bought a game before.
Btw those who achieved at Amazon can get their money back, as the description on the box doesnt hit the truth. Successfully tested by some.
Nevertheless I guess call for refund is just some kind of trolling and moaning to get rid of his own frustration .... although it doesnet seem to work for some.

45 bugs ... lol .... :rolleyes:

I won't buy BoM on release.

I will however read what others here have to say about it, and after ignoring certain peoples opinions for who Clod is perfect already, i'll make my mind up.

Until then i'll continue to play il2 1946.

Who knows, they (the Devs) might somehow actually pull it off.

a demo would be nice, but we won't see it until the BoM is coming near to release.

I think they will go with the demo route, they have to show something to sell BoM after the BoB stuff we've been through.

Given that BoB was a bad release, they're going to make sure BoM works . . .

This willl help because time that will take will introduce the brother of the beast (newer PCs) so that the average joe will afford the beast of a pc required to run these types of games.

They'll know what we want, and what essentially everyone is expecting, yet be able to boil down the essence of what the Il-2 series is known for into that.


I'm sure most will give that demo a spin. And if the demo works, then wild fire of the demo being awesome etc will get those sitting on the fence or on the other side of the fence to jump over.

If not, then the devs have some time to go back to the drawing board and refine the working demo.

I think if Luthier is serious, the demo won't be flawed on a fundamental level. The most flaws will be detail like FM tweaks, adding X weather . . . not basic functionality issues that BoB players faced . . .

Releasing it for CLoD purchasers might be a nightmare. They could have steam accounts, but not everyone bought it via steam.

Well they could release the demo as part of a patch for Clod though. After patching is done, your OS then asks if you can install the demo (as a separate game). So anyone who owns Clod can play the demo.

That will last a day, then the demo shows up on torrent . . .







ROF facts

ROF's demo is so good, everyone thought it was the actual game and the actual game release it's sequel.






The only problem with the perfection of the ROF demo is the fans upset about paying for the sequel,