Yeah me too... however I enjoy studying those planes! :)

Evening all.
Just got BoP and I'm still getting used to it after many years of merged FB/PF enjoyment on the PC. I have a question and a comment:

I assume the Saitek Aviator joystick and the other one (which I'd never heard of until today!) are the ONLY joysticks that will work on an Xbox? Plugged in my old Logitech Extreme 3D Pro PC stick, but nothing seemed to happen. Should the Xbox automatically recognise a suitable USB joystick in preference to the wireless gamepad? I need to sort this ASAP as I find flying using the gamepad just...aarrrrgh...Throttle and rudder on the same button; blimey.

Secondly, for discussion, am I right to think the environment in BoP is a taste of what we should expect in BoB Storm of War if it ever appears? It's an improvement FB for sure, but I'm really a bit disappointed. Rather like another contributor to this thread, I flew east from Dover, looking for Dungeness, the Romney Marsh and Rye where I live, and found no accurate detail at all. With smaller battlefields like BoB, you navigate as much with landmarks as with map and compass. That's certainly what happened in 1940. Given the years of discussion on Oleg Maddox Il2 forum about this subject, losing that detail seems a shame. But is it that important to anyone who doesn't live in Kent or Volgagrad?

However, it's great to see that the sim community is as lively on the xbox version as it has been on the PC. Lets hope there's a way for all this activity to feed into patches and add-ons :).

There is another thread Called "Tested PC sticks on PS3" and a member with the same stick seems to have it working although he is using the PS3 not the xbox as the PS3 has had an software update which I believe allows for more sticks to work....Xbox users apparently are still waiting for an update at this time.

As for your second statement I agree with you, a map of such a small area should be more accurate for many reasons including the one you mention.I would tend to believe or trust that Oleg and team would give us a more detailed map as they have in the past.

F_3

Bombing anything puts craters in it. And even if the bombs are small, they also cover the runway with debris. That's in reality.

In BOP bombing a runway only ends up setting most of the runway on fire, and the wreckage all stays in the middle of the fires. So there's no craters, but there should be.

I would like to see a split screen mp mode me and my friend wanted to dogfigth each other here in my house and we couldnt cuz the mp is online only so hopefully next il-2 game will have it......

help am stuck!
 

i am a begginer at this game and i cant get past hornets nest:confused: any help please i love the game.

Try it on realistic (counter intuitive, I know) and adjust your elevator sensitivity to avoid stalling.

It is a growing tactic, once a side has captured an airfield, to bomb around any obstacles and hazards, on the airfield, so as they are obsucured by smoke and fire. This increases the chances of an enemy, attempting a landing, crashing into something thus foiling the capture attempt.

Buildings, watchtowers, shelters, haystacks, tents, etc. are all good targets.

Plastering the runway so that it is just a mess of smoke and fire does freak out the majortity of players enough to either screw up or not even try a landing.

Those able to use "The Force" or just plain crazy, will still try anyway.

On two field games it is wise to leave a bomber behind to bomb the captured airfield whilst everyone else roars off to attack the other airfield.

Those who have already memorized where the obstacles are will try anyway... I've had that tactic backfire on opponents quite a few times when I land and roll off to hide in the wreckage they created.

It's stupid for bombs to be allowed in CA - they should be patched out. Nobody bombs a runway they intend to land on in a few minutes.

But as long as people use bombs, you can always park your plane in the fire where it can't be seen.

The builders of Stalingrad City and Gumrak airfields tailor-made them hostile to capture, no need to bomb them when they're full of haystacks, various other invisible pointy objects, and little piles of rocks running down the center of the runway that will crash your plane if the wheels hit them.

Air travel would be a lot more exciting if all runways had such great obstacles.

Since so many people who get IL-2 run into problems with Hornet's Nest, here is a video. It's a webcam capture, with a bit of flicker and a few freezes, but it shows you exactly what to do to get all the planes without having to respawn and risk running out of time. The fighters will most likely get you before you can bomb the ground targets, but just use a couple extra attempts for that, you won't run out of time with that objective.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPmeYe2aqso

The music is good Soviet war music which any IL-2 pilot would have playing on their cockpit stereo.

sugestion
 

I suggest that Il2-sturmovik should add more planes. And make the ability to create squadrons.

Hi All,

I'm new to this game and the forum. Loving it so far, should've bought it sooner.

Anyway, I was wondering if anyone here could comment on the ThrustMaster T.Flight HOTAS X For PC/PS3 flight stick. I want a stick controller now that I've finally been able to fire this baby up. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.

I did refer to the flight stick threads but unless I missed something it appears that there is no particular mention of the stick I have mentioned.

Only problem - cant check your six but its the one i use :)

Forgive the noobness reaper but how do you check 6 using the stantard controller in Sim?

If it's on default then hold R3 and move the right stigk round to the left or right (I think, long time sinsemilla my last pad game!)

Oh right. I guess I thought you could literally check 6 as if you were using out-plane view in arcade mode. I guess that wouldn't be very sim-ish though would it?

It appears as though I'll be learning things about this game for some time to come. In the meantime though I better get stuck back into it!!!

I've been checking out some of those screen shot pics and they're awesome. Props to all.

Tell me though, how do I screen grab on PS3?

Very easy. While the game is running press the ps button and scroll over to the camera icon, and down to take screen shot then it it will go back to the the game and prompt you to take screen shot.

Thanks trk29.

EDIT: Flight stick ordered hooray!!!

trim is the y button; the big dials on the left (throttle) control do nothint

Trim is the A button is it not?

New to the forum, so excuse me if this the wrong place to ask. (I did search first.)

What are the concensus "hardest missions" on Simulator? I'm working on the campaign on Simulator difficulty (on the Xbox 360) and am curious to know which missions are considered to be the toughest.

I'm now breezing through most missions, now that I've gotten the trim down, learned to avoid spins, and figured out how to eyeball ground targets. I had considerable trouble on Hornet's Nest, but finally got past it this week.

Any other fussy missions I should be aware of?

EDIT: Never mind, the answer is a resounding "no". I breezed past the rest of the missions and finished Simulator difficulty today.

using flaps on ps3?
 

Can anyone tell me if there is a way to toggle flaps in "realistic mode" on the PS3? I don't have a flightstick, just the regular ps3 control pad. I know I can toggle them in "Simulator mode" but the default control layout is slightly different between sim & realistic modes. I've tried making a custom layout but that doesn't seem to work. I thought perhaps I just couldn't use flaps on realistic mode but I saw a npc plane using them while playing a training mission offline. Thanks!

Oh, I use the default ps3 controller layout. I tried to make a custom layout that was the same except using the square button for flaps instead of zoom but it gave me all sorts of problems when I tried to play that way (such as elevator able to pitch down but not up...?).

As far as i know, you can't use Flaps on Realistic difficulty.

yes you are right.

If you read the info in the encyclopedia on the difficulty modes you will see that arcade and realistic planes were ment to have automatic flaps. But in fact there is no automatic flaps, you have to make do without. This means some planes (especialy the Mustangs) perform far worse in a turn in realistic than in sim.

Ah, thanks for the help. That is frustrating that the NPC planes can use them though... I don't suppose a patch is on the way at this point.

Realistic mode is my favorite way to play & I was really hoping I could use the flaps. Ah well.

Here are a few early unlocked easy going planes for Realistic and Sim.

Fighters:
Yak-3 (Decent turn radius, field of view, and firepower)
Hurricane (Excellent firepower, can carry a bomb, decent speed)
Bf109 series (Fair planes all around)

Bombers:
IL-4 (Outstanding turn, 4 250kg bombs, fastest firing guns in game perhaps)
A20G (almost considered by myself a Heavy Assault Fighter, but a bomber still)
He-111 H-6 (Unlocks 32 50kg bombs early, excellent in CTA)

And some advice, don't fly a American/British/Italian plane over Berlin, Stalingrad, etc. Or a IL-2 over Britain. It doesn't go right, and many players will refuse to play if this is the case. Its just wrong to see such things.

Why would you not? Britsh and American planes all flew over Berlin during the war!!! And rubbish about players refusing to play. The only time I've seen specific historical fact being followed is when we've endeavoured to organise BoB raids on Canterbury or raids on the Reichstag.
At the end if the day it's a game. It's not real life.

Your right in a way, as there were long range bombing runs. But it was the Soviets who had fighter planes over the skies 24/7. A Soviet Hurricane, maybe, but I doubt it.

there were 357th FG mustangs in russia. they escorted shuttle missions. on the way back they threw away all or most of their ammo and filled the wings with vodka and other souvenirs....luckily they didnt get bounced. they did this on a couple occasions.

There were blenheims flying over as early as 1940 while Uncle Joe was signing non agression pacts and MkIX Spits out of Northolt and P51's( over to you on this Bobbysocks) in 1943 while Russia was fighting in the Kursk and Korsun campaigns- so in truth they were there before Russian planes even entered German airspace.

eh?

i dont know of any 51s getting there before aug 44. BUT i didnt dig into other 51 FGs. keep your eye on zenos warbird drive-in. he plays a various amount of film and vids from ww2. he might show operation titanic footage one month.

your probably running out of fuel if you have ammo and fuel limited

A tip sombody gave me was to raise your flaps after you touch down. i was having the same problems with the spitfire and the 109s never had a succesfull landing with neither till i tried this the p51 is one of the easier planes to land

Of course there was the Belgian air force, which may have flown over Berlin. There was the lend-lease program, but the planes don't have Soviet markings. I'm simply saying, it makes me feel odd seeing a Hurricane over Stalingrad, with the year set to 1940.

Well it would make you feel odd because in 1940 Russia was still kissing hitlers backside.
But that is historical fact whereas this is a game. The quintessential word being Game.

If you have armaments missing for your IL2/M/10 and they're unlocked by destroying Strike targets you can land near them, get up close to them and let it rip with your cannons. The recoil on them will push you back to easily move to the next.

It will work with any aircraft with a cannon.

EDIT: After getting hate mail on PSN after i did this, i want to know if this is regarded as 'dishonorable, cheap'?

I would say 'knock u'rself out mate'. Get the unlocks anywhich way u can. Landing and shooting up concretebunkers with your cannons, is as honourable as it can get in my view!
I unlocked quite a few bombs&stuff by simply crashing my plane into the target Kamikazestyle.

I got my first unlock for the IL2 by crashing into stuff. Do it on arcade, 300 tickets, 3 minutes. In arcade, there is no such thing as honor since everyone is just 1 out of some 1700. In Simulator, everything is much more personal.

If you keep getting hate mail, use the grief report function.

if you can make a good landing and shoot the crap out of a bunker more power to you. i dont know why you would get hate mail...you yourself now are a sitting target like on CTA. if they cant put you out of action they have a problem.

What unlock do you get for destroying Ground tragets with a G6 ???
Must be those missing German rockets

I've landed a Po-2 next to a bunker once and shot it with the tailgunner. Takes a whole 2 minutes to get one point down. The Po-2 in itself is a CTA aircraft for arcade. Take it to a 1vs1 on CTA, you can average 20 kills with 5 deaths. Somewhat the same for the I-16 Type 24 and the I-153. With either aircraft, its very easy to get a easy landing.

I unlocked some bombstuff for the I-16 by knocking out groundtargets with the G6 last night mate. Big time experience shooting up something that blasts right in your face! It gave me two unlocks. Two blowups, two unlocks. Cool mission.

Earlier today I met an arcade player trying to unlock the bombs for the Fw-190 F8. I told him he had to play dogfight or team battle but now I myself am starting to wonder, it seems to be more of a strike plane.

I never said anything about Ground targets and a 109 G-6.

no you said "it will work any plane with a cannon"...which would imply G-6, 153 etc.

No you did not mention a G6 but I know what you did as I was the one on your team that shot you down 4 times due to the fact that Paralax and my self were helping people gte unlocks for bombers . Thats why it was 4 fighters aginst the 4 or 5 hennks and belehems . You knew this . you were told . You switched to a fighter even in the lobey and chose the fighter team .
You then proceded to use your G6 as Tank to prevent the bomber team from wining . As for hate mail you get non from me although I will call you what you are a peice of shit. This is not the first time you play like an ass .

Right... I didn't hear anything about helping people get unlocks and as such, i was under the impression that it was a competitive match & It being 'fighters vs. bombers'.

If you want to continue this discussion in private, then fine. I'd prefer it we do as to not disturb other posters.

Simple question
 

I`m very rooky at this game.
I'm stuck in Stalingrado. Although I destroy every JU52 the mission is never acomplished. The final message says that some aircrafts landed.
Thanks

Can be a nerv&mindwrecker that one... Use your wingmen to do the dirtywork. I haven't got the time to look it up now, but that mission has got it's own thread I think.

Nan also try it in realstic that mission can not be completed in arcade the mission triggers are messed thus the fail msg

I competed every mission on every difficulty so I assure you it can be done

Oh really oh I forgot your Jesues Christ who has grown tired of winning of every game on realistic I have played every mission in this game as well BLOW Hard . And it is well known that this mission is flawed in arcade being that the AI triggers for mission conditions do not activate correctly. It maybe possible to complete this mission on arcade but it is much easier to do it on realistic or Sim. Now go find a compressor some were and hook up I think your head leakes when you open your mouth and you are down a few PSI in that ego of yours

Oh Joe did I offend you cause I did a mission you couldn't lol since you want to talk sh*t remember the last game you played with me the dog fight that turned 2v1 then after I killed your asses about 10 times you got all pissy and dove strait into the deck after ever spawn then I killed you anyway so you got all butt hurt and quit the game lol not my fault you suck and you do suck Joe

Naw that not it all never played you but once long time ago . Just that you are allways saying Im so good look Im bored wah wah . I dont care just tired of your bullshit bragging. As for me not beeing able to finnish a Mission go get bent asshole Ive finnished this game 100 times over so kid go pump air up your ass like i said your ego seems to be down few pounds.

Still dont change the fact this mission has flawed AI triggers . which was my point of trying to help the person who was asking question . You offer of help is im so good I beat it what your problem like I said air head go stare at your self in the mirror some more and wack off seems self love is what your into

Hey guys, are u sure u wanna do this in public?

is this the mission you were talking about i just did it again on ARCADE and yes you played me 2v1 and quit i never said you are good lol

I completed every mission on every difficulty, with one hand behind my back whilst having a spitfire mkII tattood on my back by a numidian shamen.

See I can say I did anything on the internet :-)

P.S. I have only completed enough missions to unlock the planes I need. No platinum achievement or anything. I dont even have the Luftwaffe jets unlocked

:lol::lol::lol:

If anyone wants to deflate my pumped up ego I'll play you 1v1 not trying to start more trash on this thread just saying your coming at me in here why not in the game invite me next time you are playing ok I am done now

mav sorry man but what do you seriously expect? you come in like Mohammad ali spouting off "i'm the greatest" and you cant understand the flak directed at you? honestly? you may not have intended to come off that way but you do. people play this game for different reasons and some people struggle in particular areas. when you tout "i dont know what your problem is i blew threw all of these and didnt break a sweat" you are rub their nose in it. is that really what you wish to do? you may be the greatest virtual pilot to ever hold a controller but there is more to gamesmanship like humility, graciousness, and compassion.

I undersand the flak it's fine with me I just want to play the guys anyone can say anything they want but I think they should at least try and back it up anyone that wants to I'll play I am fully prepared to back up my claims I like a good il2 fight so bring it on lets play some games yeah I get a tempersome times it gets pretty annoying when most every game I play ends with host has quit the game then they want to talk crap so talk you know how to find me. I'll try to stop being a jackass in future posts lol but no promises

It's a great community. trust me, it is something you want to be a part of and not animate yourself from. enjoy your time here and enjoy the friends you make here. you will find they are the ones worth keeping. i have been on other forums and found the people there for the most part total dickheads. Believe me, these are good people,,,cool your jets and enjoy and you will have a good time.......is all good brother. semper fi.

cannot get out of Stalingrad
 

Help, I am stuck at the last Stalingrad mission where you have to stop the air supply bridge. no matter how many transports I shoot down I still fail. I've shot down 20 and I still get the message "the transports have reached Potemkin you have failed". any suggestons to what I am missing or doing wrong? thanks.

Use your wingman , try and postion your self close to thier airstrip.

Try it on Realistic or Sim as some missions are much more difficult in Arcade do to game script trigger issues

does the air strip show up on the radar? or do you just fly around looking for it?
Thanks!

welcome, there are probably a couple threads about this mission...do a search and you will find all kinds of suggestions.

Thanks, there sure are a lot of posts on this mission, I don't feel so bad anymore. I will try the tactics this weekend and hopefully I can move on. Cheers.

Don't want to start a flamewar, but I completed that mission without any game script problems. Doesn't mean I didn't crash a few times! I think it's just down to luck really.

By the way, does anyone else's game crash when they try to view the planes in the hangar? I'm kinda annoyed at not being able to read up on the planes (plane geek here...).

Same here, I just finished the campaign in arcade with no problems but so many people can't be wrong, and I feel as though I dodged a bullet.

I've read somewhere that if you are using a Tflight hotas x in the hanger it crashes could that be your problem?

Guess I am not jesus Joe plenty of others have done it on arcade too lol

Nope, I've got a T.Flight stick X (not HOTAS). I don't use it very often, and it crashes even using the pad.

Nope just an ass if your still going on about this a month later

by the way Never said it was Not do-able But much easier on Realistic or Sim for Some missions .

Yup I'm a A.S.S. Astonishing Spitfire Shooter lol

can you shoot other planes too?

Mouse Free look PS3
 

Never had that happen , but zoom sticks on re-spawn in realistic with some control schemes , and some times tail gunner on bomber will be on constant fire you can here the clicking sound cycle fast in map screen .

But.. The greatest tip I can offer which I hope will now show up in searches is you can use mouse as free look camera with flight stick just plug in usb mouse before starting game and to pan camera left click right click zoom:!:
If you are using a HDTV 720P or greater display and have trouble picking up or spotting targets try changing the resolution to ED-TV 480p

Big shout out to "Caper" Stic for his head tracking rig

Turns out it was the custom controls I was using, it's sorted now, thanks.
My TV tends to go blurry at SD resolution, but thats just my stupid TV! Now I need to get my hands on a spare mouse...

Help please
 

Ok,bought the game pc version loaded it up all ok downloaded the relevant updates,but get an error message every time just before the play starts,'Acess Exe has stopped working'.

Any ideas anybody please,I've only had the game 5 minutes and allready it's not working.

Any help or advice would be really helpful,thank you.

You need to be at a different forum (here) WoP devs forum.

This is the console versions forum.

Ok,thanks.

I'm having some troubles. I haven't played this game for very long, but I need to know how to unlock all the planes. I've completed the Campaign, done all the single missions, and done training in all the planes I have. The only thing I haven't done is the "Simulator" tutorial. (Which is amazingly unrealistic, by the way.)

Hi, for unlock list check this thread:

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=13167

MAC

TV Settings
 

I play BOP on my 42" Panasonic, 1080p, HD, Plasma TV, now my problem is that when I play BOP on SIM, Realistic or even Arcade with the HUD turned off, I cannot see the planes until I am right on top of them, its like they just appear out of thin air.

What is the optimal tv setting for BOP?

thats just part of the game, BoP's HD settings arent the greatest, and along with a very fuzzy cockpit view and its generally difficult to locate another plane.

Birds of Prey: Not Realistic
 

So I have been playing this game for a while and I do like it, however I find myself getting p***ed and turning it off frequently. This is because the planes in this game stall TOO EASY. Now I'm sure you guys are going to call me a noob and say that it takes more practice, but I have the X52 flight stick with rudder pedals and I have adjusted the sensitivity and everything that there is to adjust and it is still too stall happy.

Now I don't know if anyone here is an actual pilot but I am. I have all of my ratings which includes Multi-engine, IFR, Commercial, with both a complex and high performance endorsement. I have been flying for a while now and I do have experience in high performance aircraft and I can tell you from experience that aircraft like these do not stall this easy. I'm not going to give you a lesson on aerodynamics but I can tell you that the physics in this game are severely flawed.

Have you ever seen a Red Bull Air race where one of those pilots stalled their aircraft? Probably not, because it rarely happens, and the airplanes those guys are flying are much more unstable than a P-51. I really hope that the creators of this game take a look at cliffs of dover or 1946 and revamp their flight models. I don't know who they talked to that made them make the aircraft in this way, but they need to talk to people in the industry. I'd really like to hear what you all think...

Have you adjusted the elevators and alirons on the planes you can make it to where the planes are pretty much impossible to stall the trick is getting a good bsllence between not stalling and still being maneuverable and secondly it's a game not real life I have got my setings to where I pretty much never stall unless shot up of corse

Well, I don't know about stalling but I do always feel like landing is probably a heck of a lot easier in real life than it is in these games.

Tried it...
 

Are you playing the game on the realistic or simulator setting? I've tinkered with all of this stuff and I can make it so that the sensitivity is to the point where I can't stall the aircraft, but that also makes the plane very unresponsive. I just don't understand why a company would make this game like this. I would dump so much time into this game if it wasn't for that. I can't believe they don't have a patch to fix this. Anyway I would actually say that landing in real life is at times much harder. Someone's first time landing on a windy day with a good crosswind is usually pretty interesting.

I mainly play realistic but I play sim too and I just never had the problem you are talking about I just use a regular controller though so don't have any experience with a flight stick

no undpilot87 you arent going to get the real flight feeling from this game. for anyone who has sat in behind the stick/yoke it will be quite different and a major let down. it is a game, and you have to approach if from that perspective. if you try to fly these ac from the frame of mind of how real ac react, etc you will simply not do very well. but that being said this game is a lot of fun. first off set your sensitivities to about 1/2 for most ac ( that is what i had to do to get the feel for the game...then start to move them up towards full). the 109s are the most stable, so fly the G6 to start and play with the others from there. the 51s are bricks, some of the spits stall like you said way too easy. the game is flawed. if you are playing ps3 then you have 2 different controls to adjust with xbox only 1. dont get discouraged though. actually this is the best non PC air combat game that you can get right now on console. hook up with some of the boys who play the system you do and learn to fly all over again. and you are best off trying real or sim ( there you have flap (10%ish) controls) difficulties. arcade will simply just really frustrate and totally piss you off.. if you are on xbox let me know and we will set up a time and fly around together until you get your gamewings. GT Bobysockser

I had the the same problem when I was trying to run with the big dogs and using purist settings. Ratman set me straight however and told me to change my elevator settings to something more manageable, and now it is a completely different and more enjoyable game. Good luck

StiC

Thats funny because last night I went back to the game and tried fiddling with the settings again and presto! I realized that I was actually adjusting something else besides the sensitivity. I am playing on the PC and there are a lot of different things you can adjust to get the sensitivity where you want it. Anyways I got my stick set up so that if I pull all the way back it will stall but not quite all the way and it will continue flying. After I got it figured out I started on ahh nuts at Bastogne and played through till the end, I was up until 330. Anyway its weird that they have the Spitfire being less maneuverable than other a/c because an elliptical wing is known to be the most efficient wing. I just wish the developers had talked to people that do fly a/c, they're not hard to find.

cool. the only thing with the sensitivities low is the ac is slower to react. so when you get into online dogfights it is a disadvantage. you wont turn or roll as crisp as the guy on your 6 or the one whose 6 you are on. i flew that way for a long time just to ge the feel for things. then i started to slide them towards full a notch or 2 at a time. if you are dissapointed with the way the spit handles you are really going to be upset when you fly the 51s and 190s...haha

Yea the P-51 on the highest sensitivity is pretty much not flyable. Now if they can just figure out cliffs of dover I can go play a real flight simulator.

Flaps blocked why...?
 

playing SIM CTA :)last night so could not use sim flaps (flaps appeared blocked message) and I ask this because reason could not make use of flaps.everyone and good flight

You broke them by flying too fast.

that's what I feared but then probe (in the same game) not to itch and level flight and continued to follow does not work
:)

:confused: Google translate is failing us there lol.

I think this is a friend I'm sorry but my English is not very good usually speak Spanish (Castilian) jajajaja