Gabba Gabba Hey! You are one of us.....;)

lol the only thing that killed Clod is/was..... the bitching, the moaning, the trolls and the complaints. end of story (literally).

i hope there is s lesson to be learned here.

Bearcat, please keep an eye on this guy at the new forums

No one needs the tripe he writes just to piss people off (trolling). Jason Williams knows that fights started by such people really downgraded these forums and I hope this can be evaded with the new game.

Maybe, maybe not. It is said that a modified RoF engine could do wonders, but no one ever says that every engine has its limits. If some things aren`t coded from the very start, there might not be possible to implement later. And so, BoS can have limitations that will not get overcome, even if it is years behind CloD in some aspects.

Just don`t mention that over at the BoS forums.

Such questions you have been asking since day one of your reviewing of CloD here. You still seem to think the answers are simple and easy. Well, they`re not. Two can play this game and so I ask you this :

Why has Jason Williams assigned Bearcat to such an aggressive reaction over at the new IL2 forums?

You refer to the 'butcher' of BOS:confused::-P

Very true. On multiple occasions people posted here their aggressive whining about the game working badly. When asked to list their pc specs it comes out they do not understand why such a sim will not work well on a Core2Duo - Gf8800 combo.

Judging by your posts, I wager you`re not interested in sharing your opinions on the 1CGS forums?

yeah keep an eye out for me.

better even, keep an eye on my posting history and this guy's. honestly, both speak for themselves

one is filled with insults, the other is not;
one acknowledges right to differ, the other does not;
one is filled with personal attacks because the poster acts as if his opinion is the only one that counts, the other is not.

and since it's all in for the record, THERE'S NO BARRAGE OF REPLIES AND QUOTES THAT CAN CHANGE THAT.

TBH i do admit i have wrote things just to piss this one guy off. he has earned it and it's some fun, if unhealthy, to watch this minion boil in rage, as always...

The lesson: Forum-moderation should ALWAYS be ruthless. If you cannot behave, you won't stay around.

@ Carguy...

1CGS ?



Nooo... forum moderation should be fair, even keeled, and without bias.

Game forums with no complaints (complaints deleted) looks like the game has no faults (I've yet to see one which hasn't). Then the surprise comes to the customer, when the faults become apparent.

Fanbois make terrible moderators

Thanks for the link... no, not really, you see I've pre-banned myself ;)

though it is good to use as a reference for to put embellishers right ;) ;)

I dont think the moderation is aggressive at all.
Normal moderation is all i see.

well guys... not to by a war, besides it's totally pointless at this point. but what killed CLoD was an unacceptable release state by even the lowest standards (on-line didn't work, off-line didn't work, UI didn't work, took months just to get sound on-line, game freezes till today, constant hang-ups, graphical glitches that disrupted gameplay, off-line features like commands and AI didn't work).

guess what, all those problems alienated both on-line and off-line players. worst even, gave it bad reviews, and that coupled with the steep HW requirements, gave CLoD the worst reputation in the market. to add injury to insult, the devs never gave the impression of being able to fix it.

so, as happens in RL, the faulty product killed itself. had it been a good release and all the bitching in the world wouldn't even dent it (there's plenty trash talk about halo you know...)

you guys just like to put this forums you hang around in the centre of your world and end up taking it for the world itself; stop looking at your belly buttons, UBI or 1C or whatever don't give a damn about what goes in here, devs lost funding because CLoD didn't sold well, technically it was a fiasco as big as they come, no matter how wonderful was its potential or the things it did right.

no one buys a car no matter how pretty it looks or how fabulous is its steering or brakes, if it always blows the engine 5 miles down the road.

but all in all it's a shame. i'm still hoping for a come back, but not dwelling on it any more.

Spot on.

People will always look to blame someone, and here its the people who spoke up about the failings of the sim.

Not true. The code was bad at the start, but gradually got repaired with every release, be it beta or final patch version. The last patch straghtened the game well, next ones would do the same.

But here, the vocal minority of whiners persisted with the "unplayable" drivel. Well they got their wish.


You compare CloD to a mainstream xbox360 FPS game, excellent. If you see nothing wrong with that then you`re done for.
Not really a surprise since you have been doing that from the start of your visits here, none of which had any trace of constructivity.

Evading normal discussion again. I expected nothing more from you and I rest my case.

2 bans and a warning is aggressive?

You are kidding right? practically everything bought is purely because of a label, you can practically sell anything if you put a small 'i' before it's name, and now apparently you can also just put 777 on it too.

So no you are wrong, the community killed COD, flight sims live on very fragile ground and can't soak up criticism the same way iPhones can, I'm not saying the release of COD was perfect, I'm just saying we as a community should have realised we either support it through it's troubled birth or simply lose it, simply put COD would not have been cancelled if there was a better reception and more enthusiasm from us, the bit that baffles me the most was the vile hatred channeled straight toward Luthier as if he had personally insulted them thanks to us the most promising flight sim title was binned and a man lost his job.

Riiiiiiight....

Ok, i admit it...i killed COD.

Sorry bout that.

What now?

I am trying really hard to go with your way of thinking. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt every time but you keep on posting such questions.
You did not see the locked threads? Whole debates down the drain with one moderator push of a button? You did not see individual posts being edited by mods? You did not see Bearcat warning anyone wanting to give a CloD example?You do not see the general guidelines that say : "do not talk about CloD or you will get banned"?

We are not allowed to talk about CloD but allowed to post anything about RoF. Is this a good way to merge the two communities?

Yep....sums it up perfectly.

That`s it. Your posting history on the banana forums. I recommend making it a new forum signature so people know what to expect from you.

Unless ofcourse you are ashamed of it.

I wasn't expecting furbs to be the answer to my sig's secret cryptic question:-P

Carguy, what i saw was some of the COD diehards grieving over the demise of COD and trying to slag off a sim that we haven't even seen a screenshot from yet...or blame 777, 1C or some guys on this forum for killing their baby.

that's not true! i killed CLoD!

...

i bought, played (or tried), spoke well of, and helped others to get into CLoD
but even so i helped to kill CLoD. i don't know what else i should be doing, spoon feed the devs??? i fail to see where i failed.

so now i killed CLoD. hang me.

Lol. Tea and biscuits?

Good idea! :grin:

Why not, Jason Williams gets free rectal examinations........it's hardly surprising 1C want to buy in to some of that action.

That is, again, only partly true. There was a lot of grief over that. There still is some grief. But the vast majority now has feelings for the new sim.

For the second time you refused to answer my question.

Other than that yes, I think that if I keep mentioning well done features of CloD that should be implemented in the new creation , I might just get banned over there.

And about the sig - I meant the new forum.

How can they do that, when they're not re-using the engine?

Be that as it may, it's a moot point all in all. People seriously need to accept that, and move on.

Then again, this thread is more hilarious than a gaggle of clown caught in a meatgrinder. /popcorn

once the first damage is done, it seldom can be repaired, that's pretty much common sense. it's even more important to have a decent presentation card in a difficult business, such as flight sims. if it goes wrong at the start and you can't repair it straight away, it's pretty much a death sentence, no matter if it turns out better latter on, because it has lost its potential client base, who cannot be regained since they've grown a disbelief about the product, it's called 'business'; it doesn't get any clearer.

i don't see any conspiracy to sink CLoD, honestly why would that be?? it was servile minions that felt like they had to attack all with a criticism, that helped turn this place into a cyber fight club. lack of attention in RL i guess... you guys ended up doing more harm than good.

about the latter remark, again i leave it to posting history of both...

WTF are you talking about??? don't mess with me... i eat little CLoD at breakfast!!!...

That is just so pitiful...


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Other 1C Games..

At the time you were referring to there was no 1C room on the boards and every single discussion.. just the mere mention of CoD or any of it's faults were met by the Gestapo and very quickly descended into name calling and all kinds of finger pointing.. and over there that is not happening. FWIW there was never a ban on discussing CoD.. just a ban on discussing CoD the way it is done here.. http://file.walagata.com/w/bearcat/duel.gifhttp://file.walagata.com/w/bearcat/right.gifhttp://file.walagata.com/w/bearcat/scuse_me.gif

In fact, it is seriously quite the wrong way to go about a merging

and as you can see, any talk of Rof here only brings the defending bootsquad of fanbois... notice how they only arc up in Rof related threads?

That's what i was referring to Carguy.

It always feels that way when hit by an uncomfortable truth...

Irrelevant, since they proved that CloD can be repaired. Unless that is just your estimation (based on nothing, ofcourse), then you show nothing new.


You do yourself not a small favor by calling whining "business". I`m pretty sure by that you say, that you have small or no contact at all with business.

I said nothing of any conspiracy. It was stupidity. There was criticism, but not from the likes of you. Every constructive complaint was allowed to be expressed. It is just that you could never make yourself to conjure any such criticism. All you have ever been able to to was spill profanities at the game, its creators and manager of this forum.

To this day you do not know what criticism is.

Fixed this for you.

Are we done here? Because you just showed a reaction which is defense mechanism. Is posting O RLY gifs the best thing you can do?


Are you serious? A whole different forum for 1C titles? Isn`t that cute? Would you please point me to the "Other 777 Studios Games" forum, where we can discuss RoF? Because AFAIK BoS isnt`t RoF and it isn`t CloD. But people are allowed to post pretty much anything on the game called RoF. Which is it, sir?

Great then. If you`re up to the job, you`ll be warning/banning people who get into fights regardless about which game they`re posting, not just people writing about CloD. You can go ahead and keep shooting squirrels with a handcannon, but for the forum nothing good will ever good come out from it.

COD was not repaired, it was chopped up until it ran ok.

Single player was still a joke.
AI was not fixed.
AI commands were not fixed.
SLI was not fixed.
Vanishing dots were not fixed.
Hight Alt problems were not fixed.
FSAA was not fixed.
Dots, lights and horizon showing through the cockpit was not fixed.
Trees were not fixed.
Smoke, particle FPS slow down was not fixed.
LOD's were not fixed.
weathering online was not fixed.
Hit decals were not fixed.
COOP's were not fixed.
Sound radar was not fixed.
Low level stutter not fixed.
Texture loading not fixed
Prop glare not fixed.

yer apart from that...

Wow a list of stuff that needed fixing....never seen that in a computer game before, now come up with a list of stuff that you have actual hard proof could not be fixed given the time and I might take you seriously.

Hear! hear! Swift and ruthless, NOT selective.

P.S I'm also a CloD killer, I bought the standard DVD edition and the collector's edition plus I told a friend to buy it at his own risk which he did but then I made critiques about the game and it died, right there in front of me.:rolleyes:

I cant...you cant you say they would of done either.

well... one can't argue with ppl who know so much. seriously cardude, you rock; your attitude of answering every single remark and being always right is, in turn, remarkable, and shows all about your (?) reasoning. ppl may write books about you in the future. well done. as for me, back to the ignorance corner where i come from. :rolleyes:

guys i'm having a better time with Supreme Commander FA right now, but i shall return :cool:

Well for here what more do I need.. I mean really? Facts never swayed a large segment of the population here anyway.. I mean.. you don't even think that a post on a flightsim forum about a developer getting free rectal exams is.. unusual... so...?


I did.. ... or do you not know what an internet link does?

Well OK.. I understand.. I realize you have been posting here so long that common sense has eluded you so let me help you out Carguy....
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Other 1C Game Studios Games

Well my friend I will just have to take that chance won't I.. You see... I approach this whole situation from a different perspective... I know the hand of a higher power is at work here..
http://file.walagata.com/w/bearcat/jerks.jpg

I think you are saying I can't say they would have done, but in all probability given the time they would have, we would have been looking forward to a release of BoM before 2014 which would have brought these fixes with it's planned mergeability, we would also have had an SDK to look forward to which would have accelerated the process of briniging new theatres and aircraft into play....

No, you did not understand, Bearcat.

When you will, I suggest you start enforcing the rules which ATM you do not understand yourself.

For example, FlatSpinman is doing a better job.

I see another theory supported by...what exactly? Care to elaborate? Is there a chance, maybe?

Yes... rectal exams are indeed uncomfortable..

Take AI off your list furbs...he was just misunderstood :cool:

Yes, thank you. That is what I meant to say.

hey bearcat if had endured what you endure here id lost it long ago cheers

if i had endured what luthier endured i would introduce bugs on purpose

maybe the end of the comunity will be the comunity itself

bugger this thread, i'm off out to get drunk and celebrate new year, have fun amongst yourselves, and remember, flight sims aren't women, you can whore around amongst them all, and they won't get jealous and stuff.

oh, happy new year.

Be safe FB .. and HNY!!

I have a wife going through menopause.. which is like PMS and schizophrenia combined that never ends.. this place can't shake me..

Speculation.

But...again if all that is true and they were so close to releasing the all fixed up shiny sequel why didn't they do so?

And dont bloody say i stopped them pls.

Because 1C lost it's nerve, the bad vibes people like you were pushing around made them lose confidence, and all they care about is making money.....not giving you the perfect co-op GUI, but Luthier seemed to want to please everybody and was forced to waste huge amounts of time, I mean WTF did we end up with an SU-26 for? that was Olegs promise.

Anyway, you can't educate pork so I'm pretty much done trying, I'm off to work in a minute so I'll wish you all a happy new year from somewhere in Italian airspace.

well if were gonna ask for our rights as customers some of my end info:

i always run on minimun i wont take less than 60 fps

one year ago both rof and clod used 20% of graphic resources at 70ºC

now clod in identical settings runs at 95% resources and 99ºC which shew totally safe so far

so now i can run clod on medium to high setting at decent fps with my cheap system but the games death

i wont get conclusions but software hardware collusion comes to mind

well dreaming on how about giving for free a game better than the ones in the market(i hope it becomes so with facetracknoir), yeah im a dreamer, damn printed litle papers

Sense, you make it not. Then again, that's quite normal for you. :rolleyes:

well this is experienced facts:

i always run on minimun i wont take less than 60 fps

one year ago both rof and clod used 20% of graphic resources at 70ºC

now clod in identical settings runs at 95% resources and 99ºC which shew totally safe so far

so now i can run clod on medium to high setting at decent fps with my cheap system but the games death


i admit the longer i writte the more volatile my mind becomes so you can ignore the rest

I can't help but wonder what effect if any the cracking of IL2 and subsequently CoD had to do with any of this..

Happy new year!

To be continued...

I don't think COD is quite cracked....maybe in time, someone simply found the basics of modifying the game but AFAIK theres not progs to handle mesh editing for COD etc, but to be honest I think the cracking of IL2 and it's subsequent modability is what has sustained sales for so long, I don't know why flight sim developers are so affraid of giving the tools for user created content, just about every other type of game does it.

removed bullet decals, removed reflections, lowered textures, removed bullet hit effects, smoke visual distance lowered.

Can you show where they proved it could be fixed?

That's just it furbs, you want an engine that is capable/doing a lot of thinking...gives you a reason to do an upgrade when it becomes possible, not now maybe 2 years from now, as hardware comes along.

Maybe Slip, but the sim for me ran the same with 1 plane sightseeing as in a big mission with 20+ planes, same stutter and FPS drops, which to me seems like its a code problem and not because lots going on under the hood.

because idiots get into the nuts and bolts, like they did with CFS (near its end) and bugger it up for everybody... laser cannons and zero G 90 degree turns etc

its actually a tree problem with all those polygons choking the bus... it has been the same for every flight sim going

No, it wasn't.

time to bring on some sanity

the failure of CLoD is a failure INSPITE of US ALL

i see this is more like it; all debate shows and generates interest, on the other hand, a dead forum, that would've been a failure of the community; trying to keep things under perspective..


now this is not a kick in the teeth for the devs; you make choices, sometimes your projects work, sometimes they don't. devs certainly made their choices; no one seems to talk about it, but the departure of the team leader (the man with the vision) left a blank seemingly impossible to fill in..

Cheats are fairly easy to deal with and are not so common, I think it's a shame we end up missing out on large quantities of quality user made stuff because of a little paranoia over very few 'idiots', and it really does seem to ignore the needs of the ofline simmer, which by all indications seem to be the majority user base

Be that as it may, Bongo... it exists, it happens, it buggers it up

They are far more common than you think. The best two non-detectable cheats that I'm aware of in IL2 are a radar instead of the map, showing the positions and altitudes of enemy aircraft (relative to you), and the aiming reticule changing colour to show when you should fire to hit your target.

You'd have to visit the Russian forums to find out how those work. No doubt there are the same for CLOD by now.

Hood

I think cheats like that are unavoidable with or without official tools, so I still think it's an unnecessary paranoia.

Thats really sad. Personally I could'nt get any satisfaction from playing with mods like that. Why not get into the modern jet sims that have that already?

I personally can live with my 0.18 K/D ratio and hold my head up high. I would hate to be someone who couldn't!

But I guess it's the same issue with performance enhancing drugs in sport. The biggest pitty is that people new to the sport may see it as only way to become competitive.

Sad!

Absolutely. For some it's win at all costs. From memory the squad that used them in a friendly match against us was 2GvShAD. I've no idea if they're still active - I think maybe they were a group of people from different squads. I'd bet they're up to their old tricks in CLOD.

Hood

Bliss won't allow any of that over there

I saw on some forum that radar is detectable.Radar didn't work on big maps (AA,AB,AC...).
And second cheat you are talking about isn't of any help if pilot can't manage his plane into the position to shoot.It could help some rookie pilot to hit something.If you give an experienced pilot position to shoot you'll get hit for shure.

I realy don't see the point in raising those "cheats" questions again and again.

I know at least two pilots who was called "cheaters" and with one of them I was flying constantly for a few years.That guy won official Russian championship "Wings of victory" and all the finalists, 16 of them,
was flying together in the same room in controlled enviroment.

Cheat that would be helpfull is to modify engine power and I never saw that in CloD.

I think your heart is in the right place Raaid and I agree with you. No wonder this forum has been called the "banana" forum for some time with all the hate and whining. But I think the dropping of CLOD has little to do with this forum -I doubt any financers or decision makers are visiting this place :)

By the way I sincerely believe CLOD will live on… :cool:

Cheers/m