Input delay
 

I ask again, have they now fixed the horrible input delay? Half a second respons to the axis controls and button from my joystick?
And to answer some questions that have been asked me before: I have zero input lags with other flight sims on my computer. Only il2-cliffs of dover.
I will not bother to re-install the game if this is not fixed.

Think your on your own with that. Ive never had that particular problem with any version of CoD.

Sigh...
 

Just because you don't have the problem doesn't mean others don't have it. There are many people who have that problem therefore I asked.
Your reply is useless.

Some suggestions here:
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=21398

inlcuding:

Make sure the Anthromorphic setting is off

In Nvidia Control Panel set Maximum prerendered frames to 0

Try reducing screen resolution

Not perfect answers but may be worth trying.

They also ask if the screen graphic of the Fire button responds immediately or if it also lags as it might point to a cause (whatever that might be).

The community may not be able to help but without you telling us your sytem spec there's no real chance.

Make sure vsync is off and both Steam and Documents/1C Softclub added to AV exclusions lists (both real-time monitoring and files monitoring). Update .NET and other programs from /redist/ folder. Switch Hyperthreading off, etc. Defragment game files, update sound card drivers (may be a sound files loading or playing delay?)

Check other settings. Look through a list #2 in my sig. Maybe it gives you more ideas.

This is a client-end issue AFAIK. Other sims are coded differently, don't use .NET, etc. and may not conflict with your hardware and software. And if you do not care to post your specs no one would care to help.

Tried it
 

Thanks Klem and Ataros, but I got these tips long time ago and it didn't help anything.
It's the game for sure. Have no input problems with Falcon BMS, Rise of flight or my other helicopter sims.
I also did a complete reinstall of my OS and all new drivers back then. Didn't help.
I will abandon this game for now as it is completely unplayable for me. I have a fast rig and Cliffs of dover runs very smooth on it, but with the input delays it's unplayable. I know its just about a half second of delay but I just know it is there and it feels wrong when I fly.

Maybe in 10 years we this will be fixed by some 3rd party mod team. Or luckily we have a good ww2 sim that was worth the money.

You can also try deleting Documents/1C folder as it is not deleted automatically when you reinstall. Disable Steam cloud before it as it saves settings that may cause problem.

Having some online fun, being pretty chanceless @repka.

Also not feeling comfortable with the prop-pitch of the Spit 1a. Why is the rev going down to the basement if I increase the pitch?

Why no fine adjustment? It only goes full pitch or flat pitch. (high rev lowest rev)?
Also the reflection of the prop, if sun comes from behind is a pain in the ... ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yzWQ...ature=youtu.be

Quality of vid will improve to max 720px. (just uploaded) EDIT: Don't know why its still only 480px (its on 720px @my local pc)...

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I believe it the MK1 just have two prop positions, low and high. Try the MK2 or newer spitfires for a fine tuning.
And are you a newbie? I saw that you have your gun sight illumination off, very difficult to hit without it.
But I would be eaten alive in online due to my input lag -_-

Hi,
thanks for your reply. Yes - haven't used CloD often...

You have checked these links ?

http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials...-turn-off.html

Also

System specs ?

All posts like this are a waste of time without your hardware and software specifications.

Put some info in your post if you want some help

:)

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The only way to get custom loadouts to work in single missions is to load them through the FMB. Try changing a tracer coloro red in the options- plane screen and then and then fly that type of plane in a single mission, your plane will still fire the default ammo with the white tracers.

Not sure when you tested it the last time, but i had input lag up until one of the latest beta updates.

I would give it a try if i were you.

i have them working in all my single player missions.

i know there working, because i don't use tracers full stop.

you can create custom loadouts in either the fmb, or online, and once saved, can select them in your single player missions.

i'm afraid your wrong.

I've also shared my custom loadouts with half of my squad, and they to have them working.......

There's something amiss here because my saved loud-outs (from online) do not actually load on single player missions, although they are there to be picked. I've loaded tracer into all guns for testing this.

I've uninstalled, deleted everything in both folders, reinstalled and turned off steam cloud (because there's suggestion elsewhere here I believe that it has saved loud-outs from a previous beta, which are not compatible?) I dunno.

I just noticed this today myself. Weird.

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Thanks, yes I have tried that USB sollution aswell. No difference.
I did post my specs earlier when I asked the same question.
But it's weird I have no problems with my other sims.
I thinkl that all people here actually do have the input lag, but some don't notice it due to low FPS or just that they have no problem with half a second delay or just don't notice it.
Some people notice or are more sensitive to things than others.

From what I understand if you play multi-player or online then your custom loadouts will work when done online but if you play single player offline they do not load. The other thing is that there is no way to add custom loadouts to planes in campaigns as the FMB only shows missions. If you have a way that works please share the info as it is a pain in the ass to always have to work through the FMB.

tomandre, its a good idea to put your system specs into your signature so it's there all the time. People aren't inclined to search back through your posts to find them. I had a quick look at some of your posts but I didn't go that far back.

I used to have input lag but it's not there any more (last couple of patches + GFX card upgrade have sorted that out). It was most noticeable when firing guns as delay would often mean missing a deflection shot. Not sure if it's totally gone or just reduced to milliseconds but it's not noticeable any more and my FPS is high enough so that the game runs very smoothly unless there are lots of planes about.

Suggesting that everyone has a 1/2 second input lag but don't notice it or choose to ignore it is just crazy talk.

I just put a 9800gtx+ in my pc to replace the 560ti 2gb for testing.

I left the settings in the NV panel the same, and lowered the CloD graphics gui.

Input lag is very noticeable and deflection shooting almost impossible.

Perhaps somethings wrong on your PC regarding this area ?

All my other sims I have no input lag. Il2 cliffs of dover I have.
You seriously think it's my pc thats the problem?
Common logic should tell that il2 cliffs of dover is the problem.
I did post my specs back to some that PM'ed me, many from forums and some of the developers. All the tips you wrote here they suggested aswell + more. Nothing helped.
The problem was also with two other computer I own. All three computers have different specs. Some have nvidia, other have amd, one has a combi of i7 processor and amd card the other i7 with nvidia card and so on.
I work with IT so I can clearly say: it's not the computers.
And I think that all have issues with the input delay, some just doesn't notice it.
Do a test: Look down in the cockpit and look at the joystick there. Then look at your own joystick. Move it very fast left and right and you will clearly see that the in-game joystick moves a tad after your joystick.
It's like the pilot in game tries to mimic your movements as fast as he can. And it is horrible to play like this! My movements should be immediately input in the game, not 0,1 seconds after, not 0,2, not 0,5...but at the same time.
Do a video of it and convince me that you have no input lag, then I believe you.
Some friends of mine have il2 cliffs of dover too and I asked them if they had input lag. They said no. I went over to them and tested their game...and guess what...they had input lag. about 0,5 second! but they didn't notice it!
But when i showed them and explained they realised it.

Look dude you can be set in your convictions if you want but of all the concrete problems this game has-oh and there are a freakin huge bunch of them-inpt lag isnt one of them.
If it was there would have been an uproar about it.
Now with my hardware (i7@4.5/GTX580/16gigs yadayadayada) theres no lag but the animation is choppy.
Further if I want to change the sensitivity I can, via the sensitivity settings at will.

Also, just in case you missed it:
The people here have demonstrated that they are the most discerning and complaint prone customer base in the gaming world. Something like that would go over like a lead balloon.

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The input lag is on all of my three computers that are very different in therms of hardware. I have a Saitek X 52 joystick. No other input lag on my other sims.
The first video is like what I experience:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CyDxwKyQdg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7HSR452ttA

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthr...t=20232&page=5

Lot of people have this issue. And like I said, those two friends of mine who has it didn't even notice it until I showed it to them.

Looking at your first video I can understand your frustration.

I did a check with my set-up and I have no delay at all (MSFFB stick). There was a tiny dead zone around the center position, but that was easily removed with the sensitivity controls.

I notice that your video was uploaded in January. Have you actually tested with the latest official up-date?

Do the control surfaces themselves respond with lag or is it just the control column graphic?

the control surfaces lag too.....see the latter part of his video.

Sorry, I missed that.

EDIT: I just found this:
http://forums.steampowered.com/forum....php?t=1408123

Have you tried turning off Windows Aero?

I am assuming you tried what was suggested in the comments, turning off anthropomorphic?
And obviously deactivating aero?

If you have done the above then I would do what I call a uniform fix-it.

Uninstall and reinstall all drivers even if they work well. Make sure your windows is up to date. Then disable anthropomorphic and aero and try.
Then set all graphic options to their lowest, disable anything that can be disabled setting wise and see if you still have the problem.

Also post your hardware settings so we can compare apples with apples.
Will say my computer gives me instant feedback to all movements.
Point of interest do you have trackir?

Does anybody know what the status of hit decals is in the final patch? I don't seem to get any bullet holes now - and the ones that do appear seem to disappear soon thereafter...

Thanks

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I tried the game's prior patch to the latest official steam patch, and still got the input lag. Thats why I asked.
I wanted to know if others who had the input lag prior to this patch no longer have it with the new patch.

And no I will not do a reinstall of windows just because of this game. I have done it before several times without any improvements. Waste of time. And to all those tricks about turning down Aero and so on: yes I have done em all.

Do I have to build my own computer around this game to make it work? Maybe the developers should make their game work on their player's?
And all my other flight sims are working perfectly so the problem is clearly in this game.

Read carefully, I did not say reinstall windows, just reinstall latest drivers for things like I don't know, your joystick, sound card, lan, network...
Had a very irritating problem with another game, nothing I did seemed to fix it, so I went back to the basics. Turned out to be a soundcrad driver problem. Loaded the latest one for 64bit and everything was working smoothly.
You still have not posted system specs? Asking for help and not even bothering to do that is...

I assume you mean you tried turning Aero off. If you fly FSX you'll know FSX turns Aero off when it starts, presumably Microsoft recognising some kind of issue with it.

It has become obvious that for a fairly small percentage of players there is a problem either with input lag or some other issue including some that could not even start the game (don't know if that has gone away). So yes CoD has some bugs buried deeply in it that certain PC setups seem to tease out. Its impossible to tell what the causes of some of these are, there are so many possible PC configurations not to mention how they are set up to run or what may be running on them.

Perhaps what we really need is someone to make a completely fresh start on a WWII combat air sim.

btw tomandre81, you still don't help your cause by not including your specs in your posts. You never know who may look in and spot something he is aware of. Its a bit dog-in-a-manger to repeatedly complain but not help others to help you. No offence intended but no-one is going to study all your past posts to find out your PC spec. This is a very helpful community but you need to give them a fighting chance with your problem. For example I went outside the community and googled the input delay problem and found that thread on a completeley different forum for another application. Have you tried that more general approach to the problem?

Also it may seem like bad CoD code but perhaps CoD is making calls that none of your other games do.

Do you have your mini-stick mapped to anything other than pov? If so it is known to give input lag.
Hope that helps ;)

I have no lag on animation of the control surfaces or the interior controls as you have in your videos with my MSFFB2 stick.

I can replicate the lag you have by adjusting the sensitivities of the Axes inputs in the controls settings, leaving them at default has no input lag at all.

This is also the same in all the flight sims I have installed, as a direct comparison to IL2 1946, CoD has the same control surface and animation responses, both look identical.


With the sliders in the centre the lag is slightly more noticeable, moving them to the default positions (green arrows) there's no delay.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/alpha1/Axes.jpg

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Do you have your mini-stick mapped to anything other than pov? If so it is known to give input lag.
Hope that helps [/QUOTE]

I will try these two things. I remember I messed with the axes sensitivity menu but maybe I didnt set it like you did.

I will try this tomorrow

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Tried the two tips provided in my previous mail. Still half a second input delay.
I noticed my keyboard has no input delay since when I pressed the left or right arrow buttons the plane immediately responded.
As of my Saitek X52 stick it has half a second delay.
I went to test Rise of flight just in case since it has been a while, no input lag there.

My specs:
Intel Core i7 960, 6GB DDR3, X58 chipset, HD 6950 2GB DX11, 60GB SSD
Windows 7 Professional 64 bit.
Satek X52 joystick.

Any chance you could try a different joystick ( just to eliminate the Saitek from the mix) ?

Sorry if this has been mentioned before but I see you have an ATI card. Have you deleted the Logo.wmv in the main game subfolder .../parts/core/GUI ??

Oh, and although there is Graphics delay, is there delay in the aircraft response (sorry again if this has been asked).

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This is the only joystick I have.
The logo thing does nothing for the input delay. I have had it deleted before and not with same result.
And it's not graphical. It is delay. From when firing guns to move the axis. Half a second.
When I press the keyboard I get immediate respons like it should.

Not sure if that's been asked already, but did you delete all the config, catch etc. files from the Documents\1C SoftClub\ folder?

I tested it again yesterday, just to check if i was also experiencing input lag, but i have absolutely no lag at all. But i'm always a bit suspicious when i see all those catch files that CloD is creating. I think they do more harm than good over the long run, so i delete them regularly, especially after a few days ago, i got weird stutters and solved them just by deleting the cache.

If you're using the Saitek software (i'm not familiar with that), could it be that it has different profiles for different games?

Is there lag in the Windows Device properties window for the stick while the game is running? i.e. is it ok in Windows and lag actually happens in the game or does the game cause a lag in Windows?

EDIT:

If its only in the game is there a delay on both the IN and OUT indicators on the screen KG26_Alpha posted before or just the OUT?

EDIT2:

You may have stumbled onto something. You get immediate response from keyboard inputs. I wouldn't have keys assigned to controls where I use an Axis in case of conflicts. Delete the key settings.

In Nvidia Control Panel, there is an option may called "Prerendered Frames" you could set from 1 to 8. Reducing rate to 1 was helpful to get rid of input delay. I don't know if the same option is available in ATI CCC.
Updating or choosing the right driver for your soundcard may help also.

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Just to clarify; I have zero input delay on my other games: Rise of flight, Falcon BMS and Enemy Engaged plus numerous other games / sims where I use the joystick. There are no input delay in windows either as I have calibrated the joystick both with the generic windows driver and a native driver from Saitek.

The delay is visible both in the out and in bar of il2 cliffs of dover.
Its about half a second delay.

The issue is from this information something to do with il2 cliffs of dover. Either it don't like the joystick or some of my hardware.

I understand that tomandre, I'm trying to chase down the possible cause.

When you said there's no delay in Windows is that also when the game is running? You were not clear on that. Also, have you tried deleting the CoD control surface key mappings?

I sympathise with anyone experiencing 'input lag'. I had the same problem when I first installed CloD with a lag of around 0.5 sec using a X52. The problem disappeared but I cannot say exactly which of the changes I made during the early days of tweaking and making changes corrected the problem.

Since release, I have re-installed CloD, upgraded my GFX card to Nvidea 2GB, changed the OS to win7, reduced my screen res (as my nicest monitor is only 1024 x 768 native), reinstalled Microsoft Framework Net4/ MS Visual C++ (2008 and 2010 versions) and have no other programs running in the background other than Freetrack/teamspeak. Windows desktop is basic with aero disabled and dpi set to 96.

Somewhere in those changes the lag issue improved and eventually corrected despite the fact only CloD suffered this problem.

I wouldn't give up, your system is far better than mine but it is annoying - best of luck.

A further thought, is your joystick connected directly to your PC or a USB hub? Hubs can cause problems.

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Directly into my usb port in pc. No hub.

I haven't checked if it is delay in windows while I have il2 clod running.
Need to check that.

You nice?

Latest patch
 

Dear All,
Would someone please let me know if there is any possibility that the latest CLoD patch will run on XP64 or will I have to upgrade to Windows 7 to make it work? I just wondered if there was any tweak that would do the trick until I do upgrade........there is nothing worse than having a game that one is desperate to play that will not work. The old patch still does work but I cannot play online with it.
Best regards,
Pike.

I can't answer the question as I don't run XP64 but if you don't get an answer I would say you've nothing to lose by updating through Steam because you say it doesn't already run anyway.

By 'patch' I assume you mean the offical release patch that Steam auto-updates for you. But if you meant the last pre-Steam beta patch then you can try the Steam patch and if its no-go just re-install that beta to get back to where you were (but I think Steam will only update it again anyway).

Short answer, suck it and see.

+1

Thank you in advance!

Attached in this thread, here:

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...&postcount=103

Sokol1

nevermind