So updates is using the old Pre-School / mommy logic?

Wouldn't surprise me given the pre-school/sandbox battle/crabyby logic some folks display. What a drama over a piece of entertainment software ... makes one wonder if some people do have a real life at all. :rolleyes:

No, we are just being punished for our negative mood. No soup for you! Next.

Apparently we are supposed to be thankful for their shoddy programming and even worse customer support.

Posted by Luthier 10-17-2011

3. Performance. We are in final stages of testing a thorough overhaul of the game’s graphic engine. It won’t look any different but it will be much more streamlined. It’s too early to say what the FPS increase will be in the final version, but it shouldn’t be less than 50%.


Supposedly in Final testing stage 5 months ago and still no patch LOL.

Still waiting.

The "go do something else while waiting for the game to be fixed" routine is worn out.

That's pretty rich coming from someone with a "Team Daidalos" image in his signature.

You don't think it's a big deal? Fine, then mind your own business. Keep your insults to yourself.

Did you miss the part where the patch isn't finished yet, or do you believe they are withholding the patch just to piss everyone off.

The patch isn't finished yet, really? We'll, I'll be. No, I didn't miss that, however I did catch where 5 months ago its release was in the "final stages". We will probably hear the same thing in November 2012 by the look of things. I read somewhere this game has been in development for 5 or more years, and the graphics engine is almost finished? :rolleyes:

The real problem which is pissing people off is how un-professional and pathetic this company is acting. And we should really be striving for a direct contact with someone higher in Maddox Games to complain about the attitude and terrible public relations between the IL-2 team and the customers. Because they cannot forget that their actions have not only a direct impact on the series of IL-2 but the reputation of the company as a whole.

god damn epilepsy filter.. hehee remember when they took out the prop animations and then it was stated that the animations would never be back because they forgot to backup the main files or something? Then it came back anyway... This place is like a circus.. nice and yellow and everything

Tell you what: 1C will give a flying fart about how and if their employees at Maddox Games are interacting with people in a message board. The only thing that counts for them is the little digits on the balance sheet at the end of the day. Don't like the proceedings? Then vote with your wallet next time.

@ Doggles

So? You judge me by my signature? Terrific piece of work mate. Really. :roll:

I doubt seriously IC, like most Russian companies, really have caught on the western notion of customer service, trust, and how it directly correlates to the digits in their balance sheets. That is entirely the problem, and why they don't give a flying fart. Also, they don't realize you cant push out a substandard product and have those of us who have grown up in the Western market embrace it with open arms. Wondering, who beta tested this thing? I know we have been round this forever, I guess we are, but at some point, you get tired of beta testing a game you have paid for and want the finished product.

Well then they will be terribly dissapointed when those little digits get decimal places and the whole series is cancelled.

Are these pre-schooler upsets/sandbox battle/crybaby not getting their way antics, threads, really necessary?

What do they hope to achieve?... it certainly won't open the door.


Mods, please... just nip these threads in the bud.

feel free to vote with your feet

Nothing to rethink, to be honest, and no, my comprehension of english is just fine. But thank you for your insight.

And you still forgot the main thing when buying ANY piece of software: Caveat Emptor. Let the buyer beware. It's what the rest of us has learned through bitter experiences, especially those of us that have played MMO's in the past. Yes, we bought a piece of software because we wanted to support a great series. But it seems that many has forgotten the rather MASSIVE issues that the original IL2 had, and has forgotten just how 1C has done communication over the years, especially when under the wings of Ubisoft.

It's the same crap that every community has to put up with when the community is outright hostile towards anyone bringing in the news. If you constantly shoot the messengers, and that IS happening here, regardless of how you look at it, they will, eventually, stop sending messengers. It's a fairly simple prospect, wouldn't you think? Hell, I know I wouldn't bother saying anything until things were ready to go out the door in this environment, as it takes far more time and effort to try to calm the rabid hounds in here than to just leave them be.

Yes, we didn't have much news in the beginning. And we don't have much news now. But with the increased hostility from the community, I can damn well understand why there's so little communication from the Devs, as they know they'll be crucified regardless of what they do.


To be honest, it's the community, and especially the VOCAL ones, that are in the wrong. Constantly attacking anything the devs say, do or don't say/don't do, personal insults and/or attacks and generally being asshats is who's in the wrong here.

So we've paid a fair bit of money on a software-product that turned out to be not all that great. Big deal. Accept the loss and move on like an adult, and notch it up as a Derp-moment, or live with the choice you've made. Besides. It will be fixed. Eventually.

Sometimes I wish I could distill patience and fill it onto tubes to sell. I'd make a killing on it.

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the problem is, there is no "putting the community at ease"... whichever whatever comes out,no matter what, gets distorted or flamed. You can't ignore the problem child and you can't slap it either.


true

Bottom line

I have and so have the rest of you, PAID money for the product. There are bugs, some not so obvious others are in you're face bugs. To me it is unfinished and NOT what i spent my hard earned dollar for :(

We are the people that KEEP these guys in business, If it were not for us and others buying there product then they would be OUT of business.

Personally i think i HAVE we have the right to updates/explanations and anything else that comes with me/you PAYING for a product and not receiving a GOOD result.

Having said that i uninstalled it ages ago. So does that give the right to complain? TOO RIGHT it does.

As far as there UBER expansion/Standalone game, i don't care. They left us with a white elephant while they pottered of to do something else knowing full well that the CoD was in a shambles.

MG appears to ignore that their past, present and future salaries are ultimately paid by us, the customers. And Friday's updates are their storefront.

Maybe BlackSix is just in a bad mood because of the Mass Effect 3 ending.

[QUOTE=Luftrofl;399835]Apparently we are supposed to be thankful for their shoddy programming and even worse customer support.

Posted by Luthier 10-17-2011

3. Performance. We are in final stages of testing a thorough overhaul of the game’s graphic engine. It won’t look any different but it will be much more streamlined. It’s too early to say what the FPS increase will be in the final version, but it shouldn’t be less than 50%.

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I am a bit late in joining in on Cliffs of Dover, i had put off purchasing the game due to early reports I had read on the forums, finally decided to go ahead and purchase it as it sounds like it has improved, and reading about the aforementioned graphic engine update to make it even better. While I have just installed the sim and yet to have run it, if the above statement is true - that the gain should not be less than 50%. well that would certainly be incredible to say the least. Maybe I should wait on actually clicking the "play" button until the patch is out!
Hope we all see it soon.

ATAG is great, but I suggest to double or triple the AI bombers, as they seem to catalyze most of the pseudo-coordinated action in the server.

By reading a bit the Sukhoi.ru forum, this kind of assumptions about a supposedly superior self consciousness of Western consumers is seriously flawed. The customers there are even angrier.

How long has it been since the last patch? We were told a patch is coming soon, any day/week and still we after weeks (not soon) we still know nothing new. If there is a problem let us know don't tell us any day now.
I have always been a FAN BOY and tried to be positive. I've played the game every week. The problem is I get told a patch is coming I play a little less because if I'm playing with a porked FM I'm learning bad habits. No problem I'll wait. But now I'm starting to get worried. I get the idea that the sequel is getting worked on when ALL EFFORT should be delivering old promises first.
I mite be wrong but unless I get told something I will start to loose faith.

Yes, it's a forum. But if you think that the high-vaunted idea of free speech actually flies here, you're in for a suprise. And you accepted the rules when you joined. Break them at your own leisure, but don't come crying when you get banned.

that is indeed a very important distinction, and i fully agree

the "online air quake slog fest" is the only working element that is available right now in CoD, and even then only for people with higher-end pc's (or you need to dial everything down so much it looks significantly worse then 1946)

midrange pc folks have lots of problems that make the sim much less functional (small stutters and microfreezes for ex, even if much better then 5 months ago, its still a big problem).

and 12 months after release there is no excuse for them not having fixed coop functions. just as an example re coop's: we should be able to run a coop mission with several players against AI and have new people able to join while the mission is already in play (the host should then have control over who can join, and what red/blue team they can join, and allow people who have "died" to re-enter the game and then join a multi crewed plane on the side they were flying for for ex )

the long promised dynamic campaign engine also needs to be available (for online and offline), and tools provided for the community to improve on it

to instead give us a few pictures of new planes they are working on for BoM, and no patches at all to address some of the other omitted elements is pretty bad. even if the gfx engine fix is the most important as we all agree ( and will be released in the next patch), the other missing features could/should have been worked on in the meantime

I bet it will be 60+ pages of complains "Why the patch includes only a reworked graphics engine that looks the same and does not fix any bugs except for the launcher crash?!!!" because many people would fail to read or understand the OP's 1st post. :grin:

I couldn't give a rats a$$e really. I have plenty more stuff to do than wait for a CloD patch. IL 2 with DBW is rather cool atm ;)

other then the "forced release disaster" of the unfinished product last year (and i prefer that scenario to the whole project being cancelled, yet many new visitors here dont seem to understand those were the only 2 choices available at that time), the main mistake luthiers group has made is to believe that giving BoM update information is of any interest to most people who visit this forum (most are preoccupied with finding fixes and solutions, and want to hear about things being fixed in the broken game they currently have, giving those people information of the next product they are working on is obviously not a good idea)

giving news on features being added to BoB/CoD is good, like control of some ground vehicles and AA guns we had recently (because 80% of the work on those had already been done in previous years), and we hope to hear about many more elements that are currently either not present, not included, or not working (lack of dynamic campaign engine, coop problems etc)

i think luthier 'n Co understand this by now, hence they stopped giving BoM focused friday updates, i can only hope the release of the long awaited gfx patch is just around the corner, and that within a few days or weeks they release the "full version" with the included game fixes that are badly needed (ai behavior issues, some plane damage models, etc). failing this, the BoM release will get little traction in the west. however vocal and unreasonable some of the complainers are here (other then a few who just come here to complain no matter what, and have made it their sole purpose in life), the fanatic flight simmers that want to see this project succeed are the trend setters for the more moderate gaming enthusiasts that follow in their wake, and having these prolonged negative reports will directly hurt sales and this in itself can directly threaten the long term survival of the project (in which case we all loose, the simmers, the whiners, and luthier and Co)

A patch/mod can be as simple as changing a spelling mistake on a title screen so don't tell me there is no such thing as a simple patch.

I haven't posted in ages, but if I were working on CoD, I wouldn't have anything to do with this board. You're all such total arseholes. You completely embarrass me. I'm ashamed to share a hobby with you lot. I can only imagine what little control you have over your real lives that to spend so much energy guffing off at some guys making a game seems worthwhile.

They're making a game. It's probably not the most important thing they'll each do this decade. Can't you all just grow up?

Let's go on strike,absolute radiosilence until they start wondering what happened to us LOYAL fans!

Yeah, good luck with that. You can't get the community to agree on which parts of the sim needs the most work, so why should you even BEGIN to think that you could make them agree to not post?

As for flaming anyone with a concern you are insulting some very decent people.
My wife and I run a small business and I can tell you as a fact we would much rather hear a customer complaint than have them simply leave the store never to be seen again or worse telling their friends. A least on hearing a complaint we have a chance to make things right. What we won't do is ignore the customer.

You know something guys?

I had a nice day and a terrific evening yesterday and did not think at all about a patch update :)



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@Jack Morris: Bab alShams ;)

The 1st beta patch will be graphics engine only (w. crash fix). No other bug fixes. Maybe some fixes will be included into a 2nd beta, etc. in a few weeks or months.

Oleg wrote that his main mistake was to trust some developers that they can make a new engine in 2 years. If it could not be made in 2 years I do not think it can be completely reworked in just 6 months no matter how much luthier wants it or trusts his new developers. Maybe they need another 6-12 months to finish the rework or fix critical bugs of the rework.

There is no point to make any updates that say that patch does not work yet. As soon as it works we will have the patch. No updates till then probably.

If there is no patch this means there is a problem. Probably many problems that are found and fixed every day. It goes without saying, no point in repeating it every Friday. When there is no problems we get the patch.

Unfortunately it is that strategy that is now causing so many problems. Communication is usually a good idea, and imo becomes essential in a situation like this where the delays build.

Also, I sincerely hope that the patch won't require another 6-12 months. I think if that is the case COD really is dead and buried.

2 week holidays

There will always be fans that are patient enough to wait for it to mature properly. Hell, I know I'm one of them. So dead and buried? Nah. Having the number of fans it COULD have had? Most likely not.

Then again, the original IL2's fanbase picked up over the years. I'm fairly confident that CLoD and sequels will recover as well.

Me and No......

It's just like real life,if people don't do what they promise for long enough,sooner or later you turn your back,simple...

I like it how alot of the people who complained about CoD have now switched and sided with the developers given that they haven't achieved anything yet so as to make themselves feel like a better person. Good job.

Ok... where is the remove membership button.... I can not find it in my CP

There are a lot of ppl with nothing more constructive to add to this forum... this includes myself...

So, to help management to keep track on the health of a forum and satisfaction of customers it would be wise to add a Remove Membership Button .. with a quick reason why.... This will be better then an account just going silent and not knowing why.

thanks...

Yeah its called cliffs of dover, How do they get rid of it so they can sell BoM.

That is interesting. I wonder how much time they will need to understand how dangerous is the path htey choose for their work.

that is fine to say a few weeks after a bugged release, but NOT 12 months later

I think this is very well said, and sums it up in all honesty, you simply can't rework what is a complex engine in 6 months...something that takes years to develop correctly, its overreaching by devs...we wanted to believe it, it we may still be surprised, but its like Porsche developing a new engine after they start selling the car. Anyway, time to just disconnect and check back this summer.

If only it were that simple. Money wise, its a not go apparently. 5-6 years in development ( I remember following snippets in the internet), broke upon release. A year after release, still major bugs. At some point, they are not going to keep throwing resources they don't have down the hole. They will move on to something that works and is profitable. To do otherwise would just be bad business. Too many tanks and MG's...no enough core fix.

The main problem isn't lack of communication.

Some of it lies with what we do with it. The devs and black six have been in communication about the issues. And some of them there isn't anything new.

But communication or lack there of, does not change anything.

Only thing that will change is the patch release or game fixes.


And its funny. Once Il-2 Moscow / Cliffs gets working like Il-2 1946, everyone, including those that vehemently declared they would never purchase this game or give money would buy it, heck even twice.


UNless there is a serious WW 2 sim contender, but so far this game has the lead in that area.


Yeah I'm annoyed, but there's more dangerous things in life I should put my worries to.



I agree with Oleg's statement . . . lots of people miss the fact programming and coding is something that can be very complex, and even more so when dealing with complexities such as physics in dog fighting . . .

But they haven't - they've said little or nothing on the issues that most people are keen to hear about.

There are 2 issues here. The first one is the technical reasons for the delay of the patch. Nothing the devs do or say here will change any aspect of that. The second issue IS completely a communication issue - the discontent has built over the last 2 months precisely because people aren't being told anything despite repeated (polite) requests. My only assumption is that the devs have continually thought that the patch was just around the corner, and therefore that there was no need to make statements. Unfortunately as the delay has stretched on and on that policy has run out of track.

Does anyone seriously think, given the state of the forums now, that a further delay of 6+ months would be accepted?

There will always be fans who are patient enough, but the vast majority will not. It's dangerous to make assumptions that COD's recovery would be inevitable no matter how long it takes to be put right. In 6 months time I dread to think what level of customer base they would have held on to. Once things reach a certain critical state it is likely to be impossible to recover.

For the patient ones, yes. If those 6+ months means that the game will reach a playable and good state for everyone, there will still be people, even among it's current detractors, that will come back. And they'll most likely look back at how it was at launch and laugh, and love that it's gotten as far as it will have.

I disagree with that it'll be impossible to recover. To give you one example: Funcom. In the MMO-world, you'd be hard pressed to find a company so universally despised as Funcom, apart from maybe SoE (especially among the people that played and loved Star Wars Galaxies). Through two games now (Anarchy Online and Age of Conan), Funcom has time and time again screwed people majorly, especially PvP'er's. Yet people are coming back to both games despite the fact that things has been horrendous, with a distinct lack of updates/new content, there's been system revamps that nobody wanted etc. Yet people still come back, even if it's just for a little while. And if the game is something they find interesting, they'll stay. Regardless of previous experiences with it.

The same will hold true here. When word spreads that the sim has matured enough, or when the level of tech on part of the customers' computers (which HAS been an issue for CLoD, regardless on how you look at it), people will start to trickle back. Will they ever have the same amount of players as they had box-sales? Only time will tell.

I agree. The most common issue of project teams is the excessive optimism. This is very much bound to the human nature, which cannot find strong motivations in long term plans and far away results.

I am not saying it is fine or good or bad. I am saying this is how the things probably are in my perception. If we judge if it is good or bad it would not change anything.

Each recent update thread shows that much more people do not like to hear updates like this example (made up by me):

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"We are still working on this, that and that but small issues with that and this prevent us from issuing a patch yet. We do hope that these small issues would not cause any major disaster when pieces of code are assembled and tested together. As the tests are not 100% complete unfortunately we can not give you any ETA ATM because **** usually happens in the very last moment as anyone working in the industry knows."

Majority of users criticise these kind of updates. That is why there is no update at all till patch is ready.

Exactly. When all they get is crap, no wonder they're not coming back for more. Hell, I don't blame them at all.

"when all they get is crap" sounds a little bit exaggerated. There are normally about 80% of "thank you for the update".

True enough, but while there's a lot of thanks, there's always some very vocal muppets about that does nothing but scream bloody murder regardless of what's being said.

The best thing would be if the devs announced that they'll be incommunicado until patch release.

There would be no more reason for moaning, as there is nobody listening.

And if some people really would leave......, that would make the forum only a nicer place, maybe to talk about what is already working and known workarounds for bugs.

But then, that's only me, dreaming :-)

Your fears are justified. If they cant even fix this memory leak that is quickly destroying this community, there is no hope..

Just curious as I am a new Cliffs of Dover owner and while it is installed have not even played it yet as I am trying to read up and gain as much knowledge as I can.
This memory leak issue that I keep seeing discussed, apparently is a huge problem - is this issue fixed in the upcoming patch everyone is anxiously awaiting for?

Hi Don,

The Crash to Desktop (CTD) memory leak (also known as a launcher.exe error) is a huge problem for those flying online; it doesn't seem to occur when flying offline (someone correct me here if I'm wrong on this).

As its name implies, it is characterized by a sudden onset of a drop in framerate and/or stuttering, quickly followed by an outright crash back to your desktop. Sometimes a screenfreeze will result requiring a CTL ALT DEL exit to Task Manager to quit the program, or even a hard reboot if your PC doesn't respond to anything! Definitely a show stopper!

For most the CTD can occur anywhere from 20 to 45 minutes into online gameplay; sometimes sooner, sometimes never. For myself and others, it seems to occur during moments of intense action -- especially in low level dogfights over terrain. Bomber pilots have reported CTD's when flying multi engine aircraft in formation for extended periods -- effectively killing the mission for them.

What to do? Reports vary from nothing can be done to fairly successful work arounds (which are a bit of a nuisance until a fix can be found).

Work around 1: After each sortie/mission exit CoD completely, then relaunch it. On ATAG's Teamspeak Server there is a one-mouse click .bat link which relaunches CoD directly back to the ATAG Server, greatly speeding up the process since you don't have to navigate through all the intro GUI's. Still a nuisance, though.

Work around 2: Before each online session delete the entire Cache folder (C:\Your Documents\1C Softclub\IL2 Sturmovik\Cache) (including the Shaders subfolder within). A new Cache folder is automatically built when you start CoD -- nothing further to do on your part.

I've tried all kinds of stuff as well; running in low resolution, knocking out grass, trees, shadows, etc etc to reduce graphic load on my GPU. Doing this DOES help keep framerates up overall, but I've been gradually enabling different features again (I like the eye candy), including increasing the resolution once more to 1680 x 1050 on my 22" Samsung. I've only had one near-CTD this year (frame rates dropped to single digit in a low level dogfight, resulting in me crashing into terrain -- but no actual crash or screen freeze).

I don't bother doing (1) anymore, but I try to remember to do (2). The time I had the near-CTD I had neglected to delete the Softclub Cache folder for some time.

Several other times during intense low-level coastal dogfights I noticed my frame rate dropping so I immediately disengaged and turned towards the sea -- my framerate instantly rose back up to the normal 60 fps (I have VSynch turned on) allowing me to resume play with no further interruption.

Other things that may help that your system possesses: Win 7 64-bit (CoD is only 32 bit, but the extra RAM you have no doubt helps handle the background processes and affiliated programs (TrackIR, Teamspeak, etc) while CoD is running.

Hope this helps. We need a fix for CTD's, these are only a few tips that may or may not keep things running when flying online.

So... you're saying they did a piss poor job before, so it's okay for them to continue to do a piss poor job? Oleg's not running the company any more. I have no confidence in MG's ability to deliver the product we paid for.

Go back a few years in posts and I think you'll find the atmosphere and tone on these forums to be markedly different. I used to be a fervent defender of this project. I also suggest that you have a look at some of the update posts. There are lots and lots of people saying their thank-yous to the developers, myself included. More than once I've tried to get the developers on board with the idea that if they would just be open with us, things would be better. "Hey guys, we think we fixed A B and C but we're having a problem with X, Y, and Z. Still working hard on it, sit tight." Three sentences once a week could have saved MG all kinds of headaches.

Patently false and you know it.

Wrong.

You made a bad purchase. That's all.

When you go see a bad movie are you entitled to write the script for the sequel? Are you entitled to have updates from the director? No.

If you buy a car that is a lemon, it's your problem, fix it or sell it or sue whoever you want but don't ask the designer to keep you updated on their work and to incorporate every idea in the next one you're going to buy.

It's the same thing. You just have to buy or not to buy.

Did you subscribe to updates or did you pay for a game?

Ok so I am new to COD having just purchased and just started really reading up on these forums as it has been a while.
I am curious:
So what is Oleg doing these days - just finding out by catching up that he has left this series.
What/who is MG?

Just trying to get caught up.

Thanks,

I hope you don't run a business with that attitude.

There's some debate as to why he left - if he quit or if he was fired, etc. All that is known is that he is now the Chief Technical Officer of a company called Vizerra. http://vizerra.com/en/about/team

Maddox Games

Np.

Ah! I have to said this to my customers... "Ehi you, buy my software! It works!"

And when they call me at the office I answer that they need to fix it alone... even if the issue is my application itself. In your opinion should I send them the source code?

Of course if they give me feedback to improve the application then I can rightly send them to **** off. After all improving a product to meet the user's needs is totally useless... in your world.

Movies and videogames are like apples and oranges.

Manu if your software doesn't work, the fault is the hardware configuration of your customers, it's obvious :-) You just have to hire AoA for your help desk ... :-D

Oh snap!:grin:

Thanks for the detailed feedback Snapper, it helps greatly as I gain a better understanding of what to look for as I move forward with the sim.
Much appreciated!
Hope they can get this issue resolved soon for most especially multiplayer, I can imagine that is extremely frustrating.

Thanks for the info, I appreciate it! Interesting, so it is still Maddox Games developing the progrem than - that I presume would be Oleg's company?

Maddox Games is the name of the development studio who created the original IL2. When Oleg left the company they retained the name "Maddox Games".

As far as I can tell, Oleg has no involvement with Cliffs of Dover.

Ok thanks for clarifying that for me.
I think I am up to speed now...

Tomorrow
 

We will have any info-update tomorrow friday? B6? any news?
Please restart the comunication with the community. A lot of people here are waiting "some" to calm down the anxiety.

Thanks.

I don't have any anxiety.

"yes, they're working on the patch" :)

I think we all know the update will not neither be tomorrow nor in the next weeks so let's wait and see.:mad::mad:

this is like take you car to get fix and the mechanic never answer the phone :P

Seriusly 1C answer the phone and tell me how's my bloody car...

Ok David. I don´t speak for my self. I have find de way to reduce my anxiety, thanks god.

http://comc4.files.wordpress.com/201...a-tibetana.jpg

Your technique?

They're still working on it. You're welcome!

I think they'll provide us some info or they 'll have to handle a forum civil war :P

I'm playing a lot of RoF. It is a fantastic game.

i want to hear that from the mechanic himself, not for the guy in door ;)

OH! Very well, it´s a free game? Where i can found it?

where's my molotov cocktail??? :evil:

LoL what an inocent...

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-pehK1MWS14...rnet-Troll.jpg

AHHH finally we are talking the same language! :grin::grin:;)

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I'm trolling in the web, I'm trolling in the web (sings like singing in the rain)

Lovely dance step Potz! :grin:

Oh lord

lol priceless...

Naah mate, you need a longer song than that...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkfVdrtLcRs


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naaaah this is miles better, what Trololo is really singing :mrgreen:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bRlh5KO0VQ

"Como me rompe soberanamente las pelotas que me copien mis posteos preguntando por actualizaciones del simulador a los desarrolladores a este thread de la pelota de cristall..."


"I am very tired that copy my threads asking to the developers about any news of the simulator to the crystal ball"

Sorry my english.
THANKS!

Either you believe that the devs are working on the patch and release it when its ready, then no answer from the devs is needed,

or you dont believe what the devs have said, that they are working on the patch, then also a answer is redundant as it wouldn't be believed anyway.

Okay, its black and white, but not wrong!