Me too: WOP, Witcher 2, Crysis 2, a ton of PS3 games and the list goes on. I bought so much crap in my life I can't believe it. What I do is try to learn from those bad judgement calls instead of going on a mission on their forums in a multi-month repetitive attempt to make everything right.

It's surprising that the 40$ investment is the end of life for some people here or atleast worth spending their evenings for months on end complaining about it. I think you have either exceeded your budget or been too dumb purchasing a title that was known to have issues before it was even released, instead of waiting for a few reviews.

Let it go! It'll either be a great success if you wait for the fixes or it'll be a grand failure if the devs are not able to fix it in a reasonable time. But any amount of repetitive whining on top of what we've heard already will not change CoD's destiny. Nor will it change the frequency of the updates. But what the hell.. beating dead animals is a joy of-course!

I think some people here have the feeling that this game is the only chance for a realistic prop-driven WWII flight sim game and have been waiting for it for 5+ years.

Some of those people only play flight sim (games) and have pinned their hopes on this title being great (hence the emotional investment in the game that some folks here have).

I understand their disappointment and frustration.

Oh dear.....

I think its fair to say your Bro will be seriously hacked off when he finds out how much money your Dad has just thrown away, if they had the original boxes too then i suggest your Dad doesn't even mention it cuz from what i hear they are worth quite a bit

It's an odd condition of perception, if I'd had ~50 hours of entertainment out of any other £30 game or product I'd be very happy, flight sims on the other hand...

100% agree man. My conclusion is that some people just like being shafted really :rolleyes:

I'm sure that the devs will keep on shelling out fantastic stuff (hell, they're already working on the next La UFO, one can only wait with excitement!), my real problem is that I'm not sure whether I'm a fanboi or a whiner (I've been called both so far), maybe we should invent a new term: "fanner", how about that? ;)

Oh yeah. I have the large Rebel-Transport in the original box + some smaller ships and a SnowSpeeder. Incredible, what people pay for this stuff today!

Dear Luthier,

I can not say "thanks for the feedback" after the long silence, I hope you will forgive my direct honesty:

It is my personal opinion that it is time to see some professionalism and receive proper feedback on what is work in progress and what is the status of the development.

This consistent communication of colour pictures and (now) youtube music is "adding insult to injury" :(

The past weeks' communication has been reduced to "bread and games" without any relevance to the actual teething problems this simulation has.
We were receiving better information in the past years during the development of CoD than today!

This kind of postings is a slap on the face of all people who spent so much valuable time posting the bugs your simulation has.
Because, if the only thing you can find to tell me is the "jingle bells" of an 8-year old, how do you expect me to take you for serious and believe that you yourself know the ten things you should be working upon!? :(

I do not dare to think what the next piece of communication will be....

I am too old for this silliness!

True Dano. I think 'entertainment' is the key word there! As I mentioned in my post earlier I've had 48 hours or so with Clod. I think what's important though is that many of those hours were taken up with frustration and exasperation with trying to get the sim running decently along with trying to fathom out what has been implemented and what hasn't! The F16 like performance of the AI 109's finally persuaded me to shelve it until hopefully things are sorted down the line. :)

+1 (except the too old part ;) )

I do have to agree, while I laughed at the post I was, and I am sure many others were, expecting the video to show off the sounds you have been working on.

I hope you have read what GRAthos posted, he is not the only long term supporter and customer that is beginning to have doubts... I personally am still enjoying the game the graphics are fantastic the DM is AMAZING but the cracks currently in the game are not showing the amount of work and hours that have already gone into it :( hopefully you will give us some more info in the coming days.

Thanks.

'Fanner', nice one! Lol :grin:

And this is why they are stuggling to fix it http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthr...393#post314393

Hit the nail right on the head. As have a few people before.

I defend my right to be informed of the progress of the repair of my faulty goods. It's a simple matter of commercial expectation not to mention contractual. And no, I don't want my money back I want it fixed.

All those other posters that don't get it... I couldn't care less, my posts are an attempt to get Luthier's attention. Not that he's listening or responding with anything of value.

His OP was amusing and could have been left there but the thread has descended into the usual tit for tat rubbish of everyone except anyone from 1C Maddox.

Not a bad tactic, throw the assembled throng a bone and watch them fight over it. Keeps them off-balance for a few more days. Keeps the same old arguments going and hopefully prevents anyone from finding a new one.

All this moaning about imaginary rights of information, if they weren't meant in ernest they would be funny.

Ernestly people, do you really believe you would be satisfied with more information???

Serious???

Never!!!

The moaning and bitching would start again: why not sooner? We have the right for a fixed game? and so on, and so on...

So Luthier can spare himself all the grief, has only 1 thread of moaning, and can finish the patch in relative peace, as far as that is possible here.

I disagree. The fact that they are meant in earnest makes them even more funny.

I have to say the sound this kid makes and which I assume is the new audio to be used for 109 start up is pretty impressive.

May I suggest this for the Spitfire audio?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfmAeijj5cM

Cheers, MP

Look guys I know that the moaning is irritating but if you don't mind being kept in the dark that's fine, just don't expect everyone to share the same opinion I have been waiting patiently and trying to stop the flood of constant moaning and therefore labeled a "Fanboy" the funny thing is were all Fanboys otherwise we wouldn't be hear moaning or defending...

For a minigame this would perhaps be sufficent but for a game that some people spent 30-50 buccs on it is what it is ... poor and laughable ...

I can see where you're coming from but personally I've had enough of paying out good money for sub-standard/unfinished products. Game developers/publishers are especially guilty of this and I think it's a worrying trend that is all too easily accepted by many. I have to say that you don't seem to be learning much about your bad judgement calls as you continue to throw money away on what you describe as 'crap' ;-):grin: That is your perogative though.

I'd prefer to feel I've had my moneys worth especially as I and many others are feeling the 'pinch' here in the UK which means my gaming/simming budget has shrunk sustantially over the last year.

What I do find a little odd regarding Clod and updates from Luthier is that up until the US release they were pretty regular which as far as I can see kept things a lot 'saner' around here. Then suddenly, leading up to and post US release it goes very quiet which has meant it's really hit the fan on the forum since. I think many here can't help thinking that it all seems a bit 'fishy' and are only seeking some re-assurance from the devs that all is well in the Clod camp. Do they/we deserve it? Yeah, I think so, and it doesn't take much time or effort for Luthier or whoever to make a post to that effect. I'd say it is also in their interests to do so as a more contented atmosphere on the forum will surely help to lead to more sales in the long run.

that is incorrect, at least in my case. And again, I don't feel like I'm whining, I'm just asking for a long overdue update over a product that I bought 5 months ago. You never heard me saying anything before CoD came out, now that I have it and can't play it Im patiently waiting for updates, but the last thing I will accept, as an adult, is to be mocked by someone I paid to deliver a working product which at the moment isn't working as it should.

David, your lack of respect for people that don't agree with your ideas is really not doing you any favour.

David and Robtek, You i are in the minority here, and nobody cares what you say, dont believe me? i dare YOU to put up a Poll.

I did. just have another look at it.

Being kept in the dark doesn't change anything!!

"The Patch" will be released when its ready, with all the content that could be fixed until then.

Nothing will change that.

All this: "Are we there, yet?" "Where are we right now?" "Can't you drive faster?" in its constant repetition is only obnoxious.

Does being a "Fanner" TM or "Negativist" TM reduce the age magically to preteen?

I've seriously thought that flight-sim flyers are normally adults.

It wasn't the first mistake in my life.

Yep

Man alive.

Read between the lines. Whatever the man posts he'll get eaten alive, and he knows it. Want regular updates on progress? Keep the criticism constructive and stop harping and carping over the same things. That way we'll all get the updates on progress we'd like.

robtek if anyone else had posted what Luthier did you would have been straight in there to attack it,thats if it hadn't been locked or deleted before you saw it.
No need to defend Luthiers post, its supposed to be a mickey take out of all of us, fanboi and whiner alike...
Still, because he dropped the bomb,I assume the patch is very nearly ready.

What I don't understand is what is it with all the passive aggressiveness really. The idea you made in your mind of our points is as far from the truth as possible.

Thanks for checking in guys, keep working on it. ;-)


So true, i couldn't suppress an initial outburst of laughter when i saw the update.


In all honesty though, what more is there to say if it's still under development? "Hey guys, we're still working on the sound and it's going well" is what we're being told. Some will be happy about it, some will simply go "meh, i'll play title X for a few more weeks until it's done" and some will demand to know more.

I just don't know what a regular weekly update would cover at this point. The updates we had in the past (during development) were keeping people calm because we hadn't yet seen the sim so everything seemed new. Now that we have seen it, an in-depth update would have to contain more technical things and to be honest, i don't know how useful that would be to the average forum poster:

"Today we adjusted our sounds so that at high speeds the propeller sound overcomes the engine sound, this is done by shifting the waveforms up a bit and adding a 5% change in the pitch of the sound".

Is this useful to someone who's not a professional sound editor? More importantly, would it quench the thirst of those who shout the loudest or would it just result in the same old "what is this technical jargon? give me a video preview and tell me when it's ready man", followed by charts from the e-expert brigade about how things really go on in real life? :-P
Be honest guys, i think we all know the answer here: there is a certain group whose appetite grows exponentially with every scrap of information they're fed, some just want information but for some others no amount of it will ever be enough.

Let's face it, the pool of easy to understand and not overly technical oriented things to post as updates is exhausted, until something is finished and displayed in its final working state there's not much to say. Unless people are proficient in the tools and programming languages these guys use, there is nothing of benefit to post except a "we're working on feature X" or an announcement when it's ready.

The notion that the average poster here would somehow benefit from in-depth technical information is proven absurd by their own behaviour: a substantial percentage is seemingly unable to read the manual or find answers and workarounds to issues that have been answered multiple times since April and plastered all over the relevant sections, often in sticky threads no less.

In other words and forgive my being a bit blunt here, if someone who's had the game for 5 months can't find out how to customize or delete an info window and hasn't read the manual yet (the ever reappearing questions about camera control, enabling/disabling mouse cursor and so on), that person doesn't deserve more in-depth technical updates because he's learning-averse anyway :-P
Ok, i'm being a bit harsh, so let's rephrase: it wouldn't do him any good to know how the sound engineer or the FM programmer does what he needs to do when he doesn't have the tiniest bit of patience to read readily available information on how to improve his gameplay experience, it's like building a reversed pyramid.

The only other thing that could be talked about is a road map and ETA dates. Well, we've already got a road map and if it changed all the time it wouldn't be much of a road map, so i guess it still applies. As for ETAs, people have trouble understanding the initial E and think that estimated equals definite, at which point if the date slips they go all tar and pitchforks again, so why bother making estimates that will be taken as commitments and used to generate further unrest down the road?

Long story short, the only useful thing that's left to be said until tangible results are reached and a preview is shown, is something to the tune of "we are working on feature X, it's going well/takes a bit longer than expected/is ahead of schedule".

Well, that's exactly what we got here and it pretty much covers what i need to know:
a) are they are working on something? yes
b) what is it? the sounds
c) how is it progressing? well

We're not being kept in the dark. There have been regular updates.

The problem is that the regular update process goes something like this:

Luthier: Update!

Rabble: Luthier, you are the greatest!

2 hours later

Rabble: Luthier, why didn't you mention X.

4 hours later

Rabble: Luthier didn't mention X because they don't realize it's a problem.

6 hours later

Rabble: Luthier didn't mention X because they don't know how to fix it.

12 hours later

Rabble: Luthier didn't mention X because he doesn't respect us!!

16 hours later

Rabble: Luthier, you suck!!!!

24 hours later:

Rabble: Luther, when are you going to give us an update???

He told us that the work on "The Patch" is processing nicely with a nice video, to be interpreted that the team is working with enthusiasm and joy on it.

Why anyone with a clear mind could feel slighted by that escapes my understanding.

I think too many people have to interpret this post according to their agendas.

The people see what they want to see, not what is really there.

I am positive, thats why i am interpreting the post positive, i spare my anger for the job :D, my free time is too precious for that.

Quoted for truth ;)

I wish people would stop quoting peeps on my ignore list so I didn't have to accidently occasionally read their bs.

+1 for Banjo Kids as the CoD intro music!

Thanks, just glad you're still working on the game.

What Luthier has posted, is an impertinence.

Thanks for adding me to your ignore-list.
No, i really appreciate it, makes it easier to separate the reasonable from the unreasonable.

The sooner we get a forum for people that can prove that they are over the age of fifteen the better.

Paranoid divas

Depends...MOC versions will be extremely valuable, those that have been opened and are a bit weary looking, not so much. But I always wanted a Millenium Falcon...that was one awesome toy.

Awsome post i have great news too Fighter ace is rumoured to be coming back aswell ..so there will be 2 online sims up and running by 2012

http://youtu.be/manxPVTLth8

Haha, that's uncannily accurate.

I actually really enjoyed the banjo playing

:grin:

YeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeHaawwww wwwwwwwwwwww!!!!!

Luthier Good stuff, funny!!!

... If your conclusion is correct, what about fannies?...
:confused:

I try to see luthiers post positive as well.

There is one thing some people seem to forget though: relations. Relationship management with customers and fans is so important and so extremely easy to do.

You don't need to go to the end of the world. Just take 10 minutes a day and prepare something. A small post or save these 10 minutes and give a more detailed post once a week etc.

How long does it take you to upload a screenshot? To say: "hey we're working on this and that - the problem was crazy but we're finally making progress folks! cheer for us :)"

Answer: it's not even taking you 5 minutes. If you think highly of your product and your loyal fans then this is not something crazy to do!


The problem I see with many russian developers is: You guys s**k (are bad) at communicating and marketing. You're friendly folks so please don't hide that from us. It's sets a very negative mood and that is not what the game or your work deserves.

Nothing is perfect - be open to admit flaws and try to push the limits forward.

At least that is my opinion :)

+1

The reason they're not doing it is because they probably assume their customers are not children who need to be told every 10 minutes that we're not there yet. Crazy, I know.

Lmfao

when is the banjo patch install coming?

Well, the updates are not that regular, not that i mind however, if there's nothing new to say (eg, when something is complete) or there are changes to announce (say for example, the roadmap is revised because they decide to fix things in a different sequence) there is nothing to announce in an update apart from what we got today ("we're working on such and such, things are progressing this way, thanks").

However, the rest of the post is actually a pretty accurate take on things and i couldn't help but laugh a bit while reading it.

Despite the fact that i don't necessarily agree with a lot of what you usually say, mostly how you say it actually, on the forums in general, this post is the best and most accurate summary of 1st page posts during the past few months. :-P

I'm pretty sure that by "regular" he meant "usual", not "regularly scheduled".

EDIT: As I'm not entirely sure whether the two responses below interpreted this post correctly, I was referring to the sentence in the quote above me that reads "the regular update process goes something like this:". Blackdog's "the updates are not that regular" indicates that he interpreted the word in the usage of scheduling. I was simply trying to clear that up by bringing the other usage to attention. (the one I believe was intended)

Personally I have a neutral but optimistic view of the current state of the game and the updates, though like many others I'd be happier if communication would improve. I do not, however, painstakingly go through each word of any update trying to glean extra information and go around making assumptions based on that.

He might have meant "regularly scheduled". Halley's comet is regularly scheduled to come around every 76 years... ;-)

I think Luthier probably meant exactly what he said. Which was very little, other than that CloD was still being worked on. That's good enough for me.

The fact that you are trying to parse what I meant by "regular" is EXACTLY why the Luthier updates turn into such a disaster. It was a joke. "Regular" means nothing. Don't try to parse every word that Luthier posts. Every Luthier post can be summed up by 6 words: "we are still working on it".

Thanks for the update, and keep the good mood and the humour indeed, I really don't know how you do: when I read these forums and see some of the finest breed of obsessive trolls that seem to live her perpetually, all the inspiration I get is a giant sigh and facepalm. It's worse than witnessing drivers' behaviour at peak hour in Sydney.:roll:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zs56Mr9iFqQ

Luthier is still playing fishing simulator....

lol u r starting to sound like his biographer ;-)

lol ... good post Luther

I demandzzz my banjo goodness now.

If i don't get banjo goodness right now I will register 6 new accounts in 6 shiny new names and post from each complaining about how I bought this game expecting banjo and was sorely disappointed and saddened.

Yes.

I guess very soon luthier will start reading only every 10th or 20th page of such threads as I started to do since Saturday.

Luthier, beware, here is the forums mood update for you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faxW0GcyyDo

btw. could we have daily devs mood updates in a locked thread? :grin: Say with title "How was this day at MG..."

ps. To those few actually interested in playing the game, check out regular live MP updates from Repka #3 by Sergey kvach in this channel. Guys have quite some fun almost every day http://en.justin.tv/dip78/videos

Or maybe its like this...

Luthier: Update! heres some stuff...some stuff needs more time, you get it shortly! New commuication guy coming soon as well!!!

Rabble: Luthier, you are the greatest!

1 week later...

Rabble: Luthier, some stuff in that patch doesn't work! other stuff is now broken! when is other stuff coming you said was? is coms guy coming soon?? please TY.

Luthier: *silence*

1 week later...
Luthier: *silence*

Rabble: Luthier? is stuff coming? is the broken stuff going to be fixed? Coms guy? Luthier??? GRRRRRRR!!!!

Luthier: *silence*

1 week later....

Rabble: Luthier?? GRRRRR come on Luthier we want stuff, game is not good and some broken without stuff!! GRRRRRRRRRRRR Coms guy??????
WINGE!!!! broken stuff???

Luthier: Hi! heres some pics of other stuff you can buy!!! yer, stuff is coming...

Rabble: YER!!! GREAT!!! Luthier when is stuff coming? Coms guy? is broken stuff fixed? Luthier?

Luthier: *silence*

1 week later...

Luthier: *silence*

Rabble: GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!! WTF where is stuff!!! ??? you said???? stuff??? Coms guy???? broken?? GGGGGGGGGGGGGRRRRRRRRR!!! WINGE!!!!!

Luthier: *silence*

1 week later....

Luthier: Hi! here is some banjo music!! yer yer stuff is coming...


Rabble: *EXPLODES!!!!* Coms guy??

:)

My cousins had everything to do with Star Wars and they were a bit younger too... i didnt like them very much :rolleyes::cool:

The Falcon however they didn't have as it was far too big for their bedroom with all the other stuff they had....

rofl, yep everytime I stayed around the house..guess what toy i took!

MASSIVE bargaining tool :-D and i got to play with whatever I wanted and for how long i wanted lmao

lol, that is it, right on the nail.

Carefull Tree, you are beginning to sound like a sychophantic fanboi with all the Hi5'ing you keep giving the whinge bretheren.......BOOOM!

That works both ways you know...

No I didn't, but I'd love to hear how.

Oh how very kind of you to call me a child just because I ask for and advise a professional company with more than a dozen employees, engaged in making a game for an global audience, to actually do some customer relationship management.
What you just stated only leaves the explanation of a lack of real life experience. Because in my real life information management is a key quality of personal and business scenarios.

Let me tell you one thing. In the world of (especially working) adults communication is just a very, very important thing these days. And contrary to your, not well thought through, statement it is not that important with kids. It gets more and more important the higher you climb the "ladder". The more responsability you have.

Further, if you would really read my post (sadly you didn't, at least it appears that way) you'd understand that I didn't ask them for a status update every 5 minutes.

All I'm asking for is a little respect and professionalism.

Where I'm coming from there is a saying: Kunde ist König (customer is king) and I need to abide by it, and I do so willingly, to keep my clients happy and guess what: they are happy when I tell them specific dates, when I inform them of problems, when I tell them when these problems will be solved and that I'm working on it, when I give them status updates etc. - especially if they paid for the product already! Something that is now different from before, when CloD wasn't released yet.
In other words: it's professional and ethically correct to inform the community and your customers. Also it's very, very positive for your companies image. Who will really trust a company programming a game if they can't even use a simple internet forum or upload images? Right: no one. Because they appear lazy and, excuse me, stupid, if they can't even interact with a simple tool like a forum. Also there shouldn't be a language barrier either - you can't write code in russian so they must have guys who are able to speak english. And even if they posted in russian - I bet the community would find people willing to translate. But right now they ignore their clients and fans - a fatal mistake.

Also you don't sell an unfinished product and then save 5 or 10 minutes each day in a full development team of a dozen guys or way more. Their team has enough productive hours each day - if one of them would take only 10 minutes to inform the community it wouldn't affect their development at all.


So before you start calling people childish you might take that advice yourself and actually stop being one in the first place. ;)

+1

This post should be studied carefully by many. Sim and computer game production is submitted to the same laws of business as is production of any others goods. Thank you for this mature and realistic posting mr. Madfish.

Madfish, don't bother with what David writes, it's obvious that he's either Luthier's biographer or Luthier himself in disguise ;)

Completely agree with your post, now that should be made a sticky one, not some "dev updates" :rolleyes:

I paid money for a game.....not Luthiers life story, couldn't give a toss if Luthier posts an update or a little joke, I have never seen any game developer obligated to 'say' anything, development updates are a priviledge not a right, the argument the game is 'broken' is debateable, there are many who play it well enough with some 'bugs'.....since when was a 'buggy' game a broken one, if that was the case then every piece of software needs to be condemned.

When you have to turn off landscape features to get sound i would say its broken bongodriver.

When there is no cooperative play as advertised on the box - broken
When you cant apply FSAA - Broken
No DX11 as advertised - Broken
Dynamic weather- Broken
etc etc....

Then I would say it's a little overdramatic, sounds like a 'bug' to me, and it was made clear that the sound engine was being re-built ground up....or does nobody remember that update? that will take time and will be done when its done, no need for updates on how many toilet breaks Luthier is making.

Please stop quoting David Hayward, you are defeating my ignore list. But as it has leaked through, we are not asking to be told every ten minutes, we are asking to be told on a reasonably frequent basis, say weekly or fortnightly, when we can expect our faulty goods to be fixed. And more people, new customers for example, will keep asking until they know.

Question: Have MG admitted there are defects in CoD and acknowledged what they are?
Answer: Yes
Question: Are MG Programme managing their way out of this hole?
Answer: No idea
Question: Do MG have Recovery Programme milestones for the key faults that prevent many people actually playing the game they have bought?
Answer: No idea.
Question: Is the Recovery Schedule, if there is one, on target? Is there schedule slip? Can it be explained to the waiting customers?
Answer: No idea.

I used to work in simulation. Any programme Manager that turned up at programme reviews without answers to those questions would have been roasted alive. Any Programme Managers not reporting on a reasonable basis to their customers, especially on product defects, would also have been roasted. And any Programmes Director that didn't hold those programme reviews would not have lasted very long.

Are MG so unprofessional that they think they owe us anything less?

Most of the vitriol in these threads is caused by people with no responsibility for fixing CoD sniping from the sidelines at those of us that are trying to communicate with Luthier. They are simply swamping every effort we make. He must be laughing all the way to his next joke.

It would be nice if we had a more formal and professional way of submitting our questions to Luthier instead of in this playground.

I have played co-ops......not broken
I have seen anti-aliasing, maybe it's not perfect but.......not broken
No DX11....not many games on the market have gone DX11 yet........not broken
No dynamic weather....'yet'.......not broken (because how can something be broken if it doesn't exist)

BOOOOM!

No bongo, a sim without sound is broken.

getting rid of the trees is a work around.

its broken until its fixed, not before. it doesn't matter if a update is coming that will fix it and make it fantastic, its still broken until we get the fix.

bongodriver you are missing the point.

We are not waiting for one of Oleg's free update patches for IL-2. We are not waiting for some freebee privilege enhancement to something that is already working.

We are waiting for our new broken product to be repaired. It does not do "what it says on the tin".

Any company selling a defective product does have an obligation to keep its customers properly informed.

And by the way, content that is included like dynamic weather is part of the product and should be working, not that Dynamic Weather is particularly important over other things.

Whilst I agree to most of your post Klem i have to say that some people have gone to great efforts to try and help Luthier, we have a seperate part of the forum where many have posted their findings and problems, to date i dont think Luthier has posted in any of those threads neither as he posted in the bugs thread. Eventually people think why bother, a lot of people have kicked CLOD into the long grass or just given up on the project. Out of ten people that I fly with who have purchased the game only two of us have stuck with it or show an interest. This is partly down to how bad the game is but mostly down to the pathetic communication from the dev's. Unfortunatley Luthier as made many claims regarding this sim and for many people his words carry little weight. Sad but true.

Again overdramatising........the game does have sound, it has a sound 'bug' that means for some sound dissapears a certain points.

so every game that ever had a 'patch' was broken until that patch was applied?

edit. uncalled for

I would say "broken" means "not usable".

As this sim is "usable", with heavy restrictions, though, but "usable", this kind of reasoning is going down the drain.

And a good devs <-> customer relation is a "nice to have" but in no way mandatory.

Every post from luthier should be taken as a present, trying to pacify the sharks here.

If he wouldn't care, he wouldn't have posted anything in the first place.

Some people have too much spare time, to waste it with negativity and searching for scapegoats for their shattered dreams.

Every flight sim ive ever owned came with 2 things, visuals and sound.

If on the box it said sometimes there is no sound i wouldn't of paid for it.

Would you? @robtek and bongo

C'mon furbs and tree, surely you are bigger than just resorting to weak insults?

Yes you are right, i apologise Bongo and have removed the post.

So you think that its perfectly acceptable to have to turn off trees to get sound to work others are fine with trees and ai voices off, something is clearly broken..

The game is great everyone here can see it potential, but these bugs break the game for a lot of ppl ATM.

yes, of course bongo, sorry but if you keep putting stuff like your last few posts then im at a loss.

How can you defend a sim where online there is no sound. your digging your heels in and wont budge.

You seriously believe there is 'no' sound, even after countless posts before saying how awfull it is/isn't and videos being made with in game sound?........why are you so black and white?......'t h e r e........i s........s o u n d......i t ......i s........j u s t.......b u g g y'

Thank you....see.....things are just so much better when we are grown up (everybody)

Bongo, have you played online yet?

yes

Your......right.....there......is......sound...... its.......just......rubbish.....and......100%..... .of.....the.....time.....for.......me......it..... stops..... After....5mins :)


so in my eyes its broken, unless of course i disable trees.

'BINGO'.......in you eyes!

Cool then, i can agree for you its "buggy" can you agree for me its broken?

Yes I can and it is pretty much all I have been saying, I just lend my voice to cancel out some of the blinkered views here, sure for you it 'is' broken, everybody knows it now, nobody else needs to know it, and as for my oppinions, I 'will' keep them to myself when I don't feel compelled to act in this manner, please note you will never find a 'thank you Luthier' post by me......ever, no 'Hi 5' you posted a joke.

Some of you need to grow a sense of humour, and while your at it, grow up a bit to.


After a reaction like this joke of a thread, to what essentially is a "we are happy bunnys here and the work progresses way faster than we thought and sounds great to boot" u people seriously think the devs will come here at your beck and call?

Just because a few of u takes this post from Luthier as a personal insult (seriously, how one can arrive at that conclusion is beyond me) doesn't make it so, PERIOD.

And don't come here blabbing on like u usually do, im not interested in hearing yet another conspiracy theory on why the devs hate YOU.

Now, grow the fe** up for pete sake, its getting childish and plain embarrassing.

Just as i dont mind if people love COD and dont mind the bugs.
If they want, they can post all they want about how much they enjoy playing it, its fine with me. I would never try and tell them they cant or shouldn't.

I just dont like being told what i can or cant post myself(or how often)

Personally I find your little tantrum to be the most childish post here to date, stomping your feet and crying at the other kids, its amusing though i'll give you that. :grin::grin:

I think Luthier is also showing how thick skinned they are, and-I would imagine-how much humour they can get out of a posting like this.

They certainly have the power ATM.

But in a way that is exactly what you doomsayers do, you post a negative oppinion, someone disagrees, you then post more on how your oppinion 'must' be the fact, then you post some more on how your world has ended because of it, then some others post the same because some sort of 'bandwagon' has started, this starts to get nauseous for many others, so they post against the constant moaning, they then get mobbed by doomsayers and called 'sychophantic fanbois'........etc etc, it's not so much people are 'telling' you not to post, by enlarge you are merely being 'asked' to tone down the misery, but your passions just take hold and you get somewhat 'militant' about it all.

I am honestly tired of hearing people saying "grow up!". What gives you the right to say that? If you're happy with being fooled around by Luthier it's your problem, but at least show some respect (unlike him) to people that thinks his post was out of line and totally uncalled for, and not only for the content per se, but above all for the "read between the lines" message, which was pretty much "hey, this is how much I take into consideration the concerns of a good part of the community". Again, if you don't see that, it's your problem, but don't go around telling people that differ from your opinion to grow up, it's really unacceptable.