You da man Foo'bar :)

Foobar, I was just about to post to say to have a look at your great site! Cheers mate ;)
Will you add any pictures too?

I am nearly speechless. I didn't check this forum until today, not really expecting any updates based on what Oleg said last week, and it looks like I missed out on a lot of news since yesterday. The cockpits and the dynamic lighting look fantastic. I guess they should since that would be what we see the most of. The clip were the debris hits the windscreen and cracks it looks very convincing.

So to be clear, it looks like we're getting Storm of War initially and then at some unknown (right?) point later we're getting Battle for Moscow and another unknown add-on concurrently? I'd love to see MG rewind a bit and depict the air combat of the Polish and French campaigns.

Was the "accidental" showing of Pacific Fighters presentation files truly an accident or might we read more into that?

I'm also looking forward to hearing an explanation regarding the lass in the cockpit. That was unexpected, to be sure.
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I'd assume it was there as it was in last week's update. i.e. as a showing of the developer's pedigree to date.

In that update, Mr Maddox hinted at the posting of a further video in next week's update.

Personally, I hope that's going to be the Su26 vid shown at the show.

Oh yes...................:grin:

I think stills are less interesting this friday ;)

Yes, the videos are in a class of their own (save for the sometimes poor camera quality) ;)

From Russia with love:

Sounds to me like there was simply a bug with the sun glare effect. Some interesting info otherwise as far as it's understandable... ;)

Actually, it's a head-on attack by an Me 110. :!:

My guess is SOW:Battle of Britain, SOW:Mediterranean, then SOW:Moscow....in that order. Otherwise, why would 1C have invested so much effort into including Italian Regia Aeronautica aircraft into BofB, when the RA contributed almost nothing to the the BofB. For the Med Theater of Operations in 1940, however, he already has available (in SOW:BofB) the RA BR20, CR42, G50, and all the early RAF birds, Spits, Hurri's, etc.

He just needs a map of North Africa (Libya-Egypt front, which is lots of desert, and Malta) and he can immediately put a SOW:Mediterranean on the shelf for sale...expanding aircraft types in a subsequent Med-1942 release/patch. SOW:Moscow would require an extensive array of new Russian aircraft and more complex new maps.

Just a guess...imho.

My goodness, soooooo awesome... love to hear Oleg speak, love all the detail,
and the russian language too :grin: This movie surpasses everything I have seen so far, especially the landscape and the SU... WOW
Many, many thanks for sharing this folks! Keep it going.

Regarding Kraken's post:

Geez, the little details they are modelling are amazing. Loosening the safety harness for better visibility at the increased risk of body movement during hard maneuvering is pretty neat.

By "flame burns through skin" are we to infer that fire will now dynamically burn through aircraft aluminum?
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Sounds logical to me.
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1. Now any part of the plane (and not only engines, or fuel tanks, as it was in IL-2) can catch fire.
2. If a part burned for too long, it turns into damaged state (if not already).
3. The fire can spread onto neighboring parts, i.e. you may catch fire somewhere in the middle of a wing and then, in some time the whole plane, from nose to tail will be ablaze, if you don't manage to extinguish it somehow.

That's awesome.
Will oxygen, say if the fire was in the cockpit, cause the flames to be more fierce. SO if we turned the oxygen supply off, the flames would go out?

That head on attack would make me jump under the table!

Makes sense...

I certainly hope this release order is the case. Otherwise, DT should have more freedom to make mediterranean content (not to mention all the great med content that was vetoed/not pursued in the past). Storm of War will be awesome, there is no doubt of that, but I hate seeing the MTO getting the shaft as it so often does. Here's hoping we'll see a Med pack for SoW soon after BoB is released (I haven't seen any official comments on this at all).

Cheers,

Fafnir_6

I think it was said that the Med is next after BOB. A lot of people love Korea but I'm sure that will be kind of a separate thing? Half the population of Hyperlobby would be furious if it branched off into another war before it went down to North Africa, but I've seen a picture of a Sky Raider but no F4 or Spitfire Mk.V. No P-40s etc. So I don't know what to make of that :(

Oleg has mentioned Africa...

Yes he has several times in fact over the years. Also his recent statement saying that they would like to start with the next product having about 50% of the content from Battle of Britain - So North Africa makes some sense as much of the aircraft content for all three air forces represented in Battle of Britain would be either the same or various advancements on what was in Battle of Britain (i.e. it doesn't take much to model a Mark Vb or Vc Spitfire from a Mark I or change up a Hurricane I into any Mark II).

Excellent work!

May I suggest Mr. Nearmiss or other moderator to put a sticky post with this link on top? So everybody can have at hand all the videos (and others that could appear?

That's good because I don't like seeing stuff like this. Although the way Oleg is he might have all the North Africa aircraft done, who knows.



http://mission4today.com/index.php?n...ewtopic&t=3950

Wow!, this time I actually really thougth it was a real photo from 1940 taken from a spitfire :grin:
never had that before ;)

Some new stuff here: pilot on chute and some Ju-88 scenes.

http://rutube.ru/tracks/3743496.html...ef72a90bcb0b5b
http://rutube.ru/tracks/3743507.html...bc000730696f75

Not everything perfect yet but damn... those instrument on the engine nacelles... the gun stations... the feeling of really being inside the cramped cockpit. Incredible.

SimHQ Day 3 update from Oleg:

http://www.simhq.com/_air13/air_467a.html

Thanks. Interesting to see what the other side of the Channel looks like - French fields. :)

Can you pull the ripcord yourself?
Would be cool!

You can see houses from close when pilot is landed, these are very detailed!
Really more detailed than I expected.

Yes, very CFS2. I always loved that feature :D

I'm really liking that ju88 cockpit! The gunner positions have so much more depth to them with the nice shadowing. Plus you get a total cramped feeling with all the people inside too!

I CANNOT wait to crew a bomber with all real people inside and fly online. :)

This one: Amazing, it's like a photo of a good model aircraft kit. I like the camo colours.

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g2...g?t=1288997692

I think that was the only thing I liked about CFS3. I took it back to the store in about 4 hrs. after I bought it. I already had IL-2

First look at easy instruments in posting 45 in this thread:

http://sukhoi.ru/forum/showthread.php?t=65178&page=2

Let me understand...
That´s a SoW official "show to the public",right?
So why it´s written IL2 at the left in the board?

And if eastern european theater will be the third release of SoW,about what will be the second?

That Ju-88 cockpit looks awesome and the detail on the crewmembers is impressive. The co-pilot/gunner looks scared to death though!
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And you See a picture of the 4 "actual" Spitfires , a MkIIa And 3 MkIs - whatever the differences between them will be.......

I can't imagine preferring Wonder Woman View over those gorgeous cockpits!
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See what maybe the box there.

If you missed the discussion it starts about here:

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthr...=17135&page=57


Nothing is confirmed, just speculation. But it certainly looks like it might be UBI who will publish, and IL2 as the series title.

Look here too

http://igromir.softclub.ru/games.aspx?id=il-2

The order of theatres:
I think it will be Bob; Med; Moscow and also Korea squeezed in somewhere.

Moscow might make it as the second release though.

I've noticed what great visibility the E3 has. With no amour plate behind our heads though we'll be getting it shot off a few times but I think I'd rather see.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKDW9Pm6qvs

One video im waiting to see is a good shot of a clean kill :)

haha

I got a chuckle out of this too:

Charger :
Oleg, tell us more about the editor. And then looked to see, for Joy used and Kraft dropped I was searching for a great editor - not found

Oleg:
Guys, I have no strength ... Editor's there not be circumcised for the exhibition. Located in the Advanced> Full editor.
It is strange that they found none.
But it is clear ... The interface is completely different.

Well, I bet the editors were glad to hear that was not a requirement!

Keep the videos and stuff coming folks! This stuff is magnificent! Can't wait to get my hands on this. Love the stuff I am hearing about the AI.

Splitter

If the fire is in cockpit, IRL you would be concerned how to get out ASAP and not how to extinguish it. Because oxygen, or not, you'll get a severe burns in the matter of seconds. IL-2, IMO is way more forgiving in that part, i.e. it gives you much more time when the plane is burning, then you'd have IRL.

PS. BTW, that's what AI does in game, they may try to extinguish the flames somehow, when a wing or tail burns. But if fire gets too close to the cockpit, they just bail out.

Actually they were talking about the following:

Charger :

Oleg, better tell us more about mission builder. ... I was looking for one, but couldn't find it.

Oleg:

... The FMB is there, it's not cut out for the fair. It's in the Extras->Full mission builder. I am surprised, you couldn't find one. But, I see... The interface is completely different.

PS. BTW, on the Sukhoi.ru you can find a handful of the FMB screenshots.

"PS. BTW, on the Sukhoi.ru you can find a handful of the FMB screenshots"

you mean this:

http://sukhoi.ru/forum/showthread.php?t=65108&page=21

can you check how big the channel map is, from england to france?

What do you mean? The map is 1:1 scale (unlike the WoP, for instance, where it is 1:3 or so). The area included, North to South is approx. 30-50 km N of London to approx 5-10 km S of Kaen.

what i mean:
is Birmingham and Paris on the BoB map?

As I already posted above - the south border of the map is just below Kaen, the north one - is less, then 50 km above London.

ok, thx for you answer

That could be tricky for historical bomber campaigns. Most of them were based in France proper and that map dimensions could rule out a few units ('cause their bases would be off the map). I'm curious to see the actual dimensions ...

Ju-88 inside the cockpit is incredible, really great!

http://rutube.ru/tracks/3743507.html...bc000730696f75

It looks, like nobody at the fair didn't find out, that the defensive guns could be controlled in 2 ways. I.e. in the Ju-88 rear gunner, you can also rotate the whole gun mount (circular window), plus the gun within it. Hence, this particular gun has 3 DoF. ;)

I get a kick out of that copilot. He looks like he's in deep shock. Something Like Buddy Hackett and Mickey Rooney in "The Mad Mad Mad Mad World" in that twin Beachcraft.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ir-3...eature=related

Thank for the info.

I begin only now to understand the potentiality of this game. The Ju-88 is really cinematographic, and it will be a dream to fly. I can't imagine a night mission over England with this kinde of cockpit, really immersive.

However i'm still afraid about the hunting side of the sim for the Germans. One only Emil for us Spitfire hunters is not so good.

Have you info about other versions like E1, and may be E3 with armoured protection?

Shadows on the windows. I don't like that shadows appear so much on the cockpit windows.Makes you feel as if the cockpit is full of smoke.The outside world is not in the shadow just because the cockpit is in the shadow. The shadows made by trees etc on the ground are too strong. The reflective lighting from the surroundings are not strong enough. The terrain colors are too vivid. Take a look at the small river. It looks as if someone poured a strong blue color into it. But who knows. Everything we see is not the final product. Maybe most of this is intentional by Oleg. To really be able to judge we have to wait for the final product, March 2011 it seems .....

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An incompleted list of available vehicles : ;)

http://sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.ph...3&d=1288997283

Protze Kfz. 69
http://www.autogallery.org.ru/k/k/kr...e_Baydeww2.jpg

Albion AM 463
http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/albion1.jpg


Fiat OCI 708
http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/OCI.jpg

The "could be" FN 63C tractor
http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/FN63.jpg


Sd. Kfz 252
http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/252i.jpg


Ford G917
http://www.autogallery.org.ru/k/f/39for3ton.jpg


Austin K2 ATV
http://newimages.fotopic.net/?iid=yw...=90&noresize=1


Sd. Kfz. 11
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ch%C3%BCtz.jpg


Opel Blitz
http://www.hankstruckpictures.com/pi...opel_blitz.jpg


30cwt Morris CDSW
http://www.ianhardy.net/gallery/main..._4032l_std.jpg


Unic P-107
http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/Unic.jpg


Morris CS8
http://www.reocities.com/vk3cz/cs8-12.jpg


SPA TL 37
http://www.centoventesimo.com/mezzi/...a_tl_37_06.jpg


BMW R 71
http://www.pwbrowning.com/r71/index-Images/0.jpg


Scammell Pioneer SV2S
http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/SV2.jpg


A.10 Tilly
http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/Tilly.jpg


Scammell Pioneer TRMU 30
http://www.armyvehicles.dk/images/scammelltrmu30_1.jpg


Austin K2
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi.../800px-K21.JPG

Sd. Kfz 10/1
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...enfahrzeug.jpg

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Yes, I agree! Although I'm sure I've read a pilot report where the fire was coming from the oxygen tank, and he turned it off (first) in order to stop the flames coming out of the mask! As the d-type oxygen mask uses an open-flow system.
This is quite complex though, and the fact that what you have said is programmed into the AI is awesome.

thx Rodolphe, nice listing :)

In the first place, it is rather rare happening. He, probably, got some oxygen lines between tank and mask partially severed, so the fire was sucked by air flow and brought into the mask.
It would require a lots of things programmed to get such situation possible, but would it be justified, taking in account, this situation may happen, like, once in million?

I think, you'd have enough bother, managing your fuel tanks and engines. :)

Yes, you're right, it was a very rare situation.
What wasn't rare, though, was for fire, which has gotten into the cockpit, to be pushed into the pilots face by the mask because the mask acted as a human blow torch :eek: Scary stuff. Turning off the oxygen supply to the mask would help stop this ;)

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Though the Oxygen regulator gages are visible on the instrument panel, the Oxygen lines are, for some strange reason, missing on this WIP screen of the Hurricane. ;)

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/attachm...9&d=1287754248






Hurricane Mk I Air Publication 1564A

#59 Oxygen supply bayonet socket
http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/Cokcpit33a.jpg






Hurricane Mk II Air Publication 1564B & D

#6 Oxygen supply cock.
http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/Cokcpit17a.jpg

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Aren't they on the other side?

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Well a starboard oxygen installation will be perfect for the Supermarine Spitfire. ;)



http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/56.jpg




Spitfire IIA & IIB Air Publication 1565B

#65 Oxygen socket

http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/spit13.jpg




Spitfire V Air Publication 1565E

#71 Oxygen mask hose and #72 Oxygen supply cock

http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/SpitVOxygen.jpg

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Yes, I knew it was on the spit so I just assumed the same was true for the Hurri!
So is it true, or not? I'd be interested to know. I have a number of detailed pics like that of the spit cockpit, but none of the Hurricane :(

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In these manuals, there is no indication where the "Oxygen Mask Hose" has to be connected.
But for the sake of lightness and praticality, it should be installed on the same side as the oxygen supply line and cock.
Keep on searching :cool:


FYI
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthr...d=1#post195990


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Have a look at this:
http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/showthrea...=65108&page=21

tiger moth training, and also a nice shot of the map.

I know the colour may not come out so well, but the green does seem quite lurid. We'll see on release if this is so.

Nice shot.

I thought so too.
I'd love to see how this looks in rainy weather. Those houses look so pretty, I can't imagine them offset by a grey/raininy backdrop.

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Same westerly view along the River Thames from the Millennium Dome :grin:


http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/bt1.jpg
http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/Bt2.jpg



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Great shot.
Does anyone think that the houses should maybe look more industrial in the London area? By this I mean that the city exudes a certain warmth as those houses look as though they all have kent-peg-tile roofs.
Was this true of a 1940 London?
Although, even it was, wouldn't they all be dirt and discoloured from London's smog?
Wellum wrote of how dirty cities look from altitude, and one doesn't get this impression here.
Of course...WIP!

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Though the dockyards layout looks different today, this Junkers Ju88 A-1 could be flying over the Port of Le Havre.

http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/LeHavre.jpg


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STORM OF WAR Battle for Moscow is not the correct name to me.

Germany never comes to moscow capital.

The correct name to me is:

STORM OF WAR Operation Barbarossa (Unternehmen Barbarossa)

It might not be the correct name to you, but it is correct.

'battle for' not 'battle in'. note the difference....

moscow was the objective....

So you also want to change the name of the Battle of Britain? Germany never invaded Britain either, just overflew and bombed it, as they overflew and bombed Moscow.

Barbarossa is the whole Operation, from Karelia to the Black Sea and the upcoming sim will not focus on that whole operation, but just focus on the Battle of Moscow.

See more here, for your information:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Moscow

nice Video

http://rutube.ru/tracks/3743496.html...ef72a90bcb0b5b

Yes the name is right, it was one of the turn points in the eastern conflict, much looking forward flying on the eastern front again!

Actually they did -- as close as the last tram line stop from the capital center. Moscow was bombed by the Luftwaffe. The Germans digged themselves into trenches there, until the russian counteroffensive in Winter 41. It was one of the most important battles of the russian front, and it has nothing to do with Operation Barbarossa per se.

And one of the most important of the war! Would there have been any other battles on the Eastern front if Moscow had fallen? Probably not. The Soviet regime would probably have fallen. not certainly, but probably. So, the Battle of Moscow was more important than Stalingrad, Kursk, Leningrad, etc.

Capture Moscow: Russia collapses? Hitler wished it, German Generals wished it, for real? I don't think so. According to the Wikipedia page linked above Stalin moved the communist party out of Moscow:

So, they might have got Stalin himself, if they were very quick, but they'd have missed the mass of the party. I don't think the USSR would have collapsed.

You'd be surprised, but "mass of the party" would be like 25% of adult population of the USSR at the time. May be, even more.

Loss of Moscow would mean loss of connection between South-Eastern and Northern part of the country. Basically, all the area north of Moscow, including Leningrad and Murmansk would have been cut off from the rest of the USSR. Not to mention a huge moral drop, should the city be lost. Plus, loss of the whole industrial region around Moscow.
So, it may not be an end, but a terrible disaster for the country - most definitely. What could happen then - who knows? Quite probably, Japan would join the war against the USSR too, after this. So...

OOOOOOOOOOOO MMMMMMMMMMMMY GODDDDDDDD

german raid Britain completly. 90% of all citys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
but Never Bomb Moscow.:eek:


The battle will be from Minsk to 50km west of moscow.
From this way, the name is very very WINGS OF PREY. (city battles) (very small sceneries) this is not good for me. i don't like the idea.

anyway, i think that will be better another scenario, like Leningrad, whit German forces, Finland Forces and Russian Forces in 1941. that will be nice

Oh yeah, it was a fight worth winning for sure.

I just don't see an immediate surrender on the loss of Moscow. Leningrad would have been in trouble, but the idea of collapse in total seems unlikely. Though granted, I don't know the country.

your history books are crap. buy some new ones.

first air raid on moscow, 21st july 1941, 87 raids by 5th april '42

as to 90% of all cities in BoB, where did you get that crap from, lol.

seriously, buy some new books, cause yours are hopeless.

Philip,
I just did a quick google and came up with these links.

http://www.spitfirespares.com/spitfi...es/relics.html

See item 60 and 66 below.

http://books.google.ca/books?id=6gFz...supply&f=false


Hope these help.

ok, i know that german raids over moscow was poors compared with BOB: very low charge of bombs, and incendiary bombs, only to panic the russian center population. offices, theaters and goberment buldings the common bombing target . But not big deal.

The battle are 50-150km west of Moscow.

only i want is that oleg don't do a moscow city battle small scenario.
But compared whit battle of britain, we have more different planes to choose. nice

"The Moscow area PVO had at its disposal the 6 IAK/PVO, which comprised of 29 fighter regiments with 585 fighters: "
- 170 MiG-3s
- 95 Yak-1s
- 75 LaGG-3s
- 200 I-16s
- 45 I-153s
maybe Mk II Hurricanes


axis
Bf 109E-3
Bf 109E-7
Bf 109F-2
Bf 109F-4
Bf 110

Re 2000s
CR.42s
B-534-I

maybe...
He 112;)
51 C.200s (Corpo Italiano di Spedizione in Russia).

http://www.journal.forces.gc.ca/vo9/.../Canuel-6t.jpg

Here, more video of the presentation. With more ingame footage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XM4clzfuyE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlmqzIUjfVw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xt_izejse64

thank you hecke! some nice official videos :)

What I especially liked was that 'your' eye followed the gun and gunsight along the barrel..I have never seen this in a sim before..I hope it will be that way, and isn't just my imagination.
Usually you just see the gun from a rear position, not aligned with the sights.

Non procedural bail

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i3...9066377662.jpg
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i3...9066609925.jpg
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i3...9066653311.jpg
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i3...9066672026.jpg
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i3...9066695942.jpg
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i3...9066737434.jpg
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i3...9066770632.jpg
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i3...9066831022.jpg
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i3...9066843052.jpg
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i3...9066908925.jpg
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i3...9066859675.jpg
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i3...9066872887.jpg
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i3...9066930023.jpg
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i3...9066961219.jpg
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i3...9066983563.jpg

You'd want strong arms and a lot of faith, trying to pull this off

But you didnt find the number one on the list "Madox, sports car". I would love to see that one http://www.cosgan.de/images/midi/froehlich/d040.gif


http://www.cosgan.de/images/midi/froehlich/g005.gif

I'll be waiting for the wet top shot:grin:...how do you get that chic in the plane, does she run across a field and jump in?

That smoke really looks aweful. At first I thought they had nailed it, but look how thick it is! It's like WoP. I've never seen anything like this in any guncam videos for an extended period of time like this. Hopefully it's still very much WIP.
I think the gunsmoke is overdone as well too.

We haven't seen gunsmoke before so I guess the effects are still WIP.
Even if they weren't.. We can mod sow better as BOP right? changing the effects a little bit isn't that difficult if you can find the right files.

Sadly not...unless the game is openly moddable, one would have to hack the game to do this.


I'm sure it will be tweaked though. I hope so anyway.

De-classified 1945 Plane Gunfight Footage. :(


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkHLI4oTdZ8

I thought sow would be openly moddable. I think it's a good idea to make it modable, in il2 we didn't get cheaters and we have got a lot of great mods :) !

Yes, but Il-2 was hacked. I agree, but from what I've read from Oleg SoW will be partially modable, but probably only for third parties.

http://www.cartorque.co.za/images/MG%20OLD300px.jpg
MG Sport car early 1930s.

Indeed, the game it's now much better and far historical than the original one. But 99% is Oleg's work.

So you think you know better then Oleg and Ilya, five years of development and they are all wrong and it all looks like crap??

The game is moddable (in some areas at least - GUI, objects, small terrains - the situation is constantly changing. I would be surprised if some effect tweaking wasn't possible)