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olife 07-28-2010 05:43 PM

hello guys

just to speak of a real story of ww2 about the P51,it is the story of a mustang pilot called WILLIAM ARTHUR SHOMO of 82nd tactical recon squadron,USAAF.the nickname of his p51 was the flying undertaker

the legend of the flying undertaker:

january 11st 1945 captain william arthur shomo and his wingman 2nd lieutenant paul m lipscomb (f6d)take off at san jose airfield in the island of mindoro,phillipines...
over aparri ,the 2 americans saw 33 japs planes...us pilots came behind a first group of ki61 tony fighters,japs pilots didn't see them...at 25 meters shomo open fire,the first ki61 explosed,and the second many seconds later...2 kills for shomo!!in same time lipscomb destroyed an other...shomo now destroyed his third casualty and lipscomb his second...quickly shomo destroyed a g4m betty bomber and lipscomb his third ki61,and shomo 2 others jap fighters!!!!!...7kills for shomo and 3 for lipscomb!!!!!!!!!!!!!
shomo receive the medal of honor for this action,and for the "little" story ,lipscomb was so new and without experience with his f6d mustang that he was not able to do the"victories rools" over his airfield!!!

shomo is the top ace scorer of the usaaf in 1 mission with his 7 kills

the funny thing is that those 2 pilots were a recon pilots and not a fighter pilots!!

edal86 07-28-2010 09:40 PM

Macademic,
I use PAD (aviator layout)

reaper,
participating once in a while, yes, but nothing too committed, unfortunately, my friend.

p.s. please let me know what days and time you usually meet, thanks guys, see you in the sky

P-51 07-28-2010 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by edal86 (Post 172372)
reaper,
participating once in a while, yes, but nothing too committed, unfortunately, my friend.

That's a bummer.. Still I'm sure you'll be blowing my tail off sooner rather than later! Haha.

MACADEMIC 07-28-2010 11:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by edal86 (Post 172372)
Macademic,
I use PAD (aviator layout)

p.s. please let me know what days and time you usually meet, thanks guys, see you in the sky

Hi Edal,

Thanks. Perhaps you'd be interested in doing a custom layout for the PAD which works much better on the Mustang with full sensitivity. Info on this in posts #47, 53 and 55 under this thread.

No regular meetings yet but usually not hard to find Club members from 1800UTC onwards for a few hours.

See you soon!

MAC

MACADEMIC 07-30-2010 04:11 PM

Friends of P-51 Mustang Purist Club is born
 
Dear Club members,

We are ready to take on our historical enemy: The German Luftwaffe!
Details will follow, for now here is a link to the new thread. Exciting times ahead!

Check six,

MAC

wakespeak 08-05-2010 10:01 PM

MACADEMIC, I would be very interested to join the P-51 club. I use a stick/Thrustmaster most of the time.

Thanks,
wakespeak

MACADEMIC 08-06-2010 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wakespeak (Post 173709)
MACADEMIC, I would be very interested to join the P-51 club. I use a stick/Thrustmaster most of the time.

Thanks,
wakespeak

Hello wakespeak,

Thank you for your interest in our club. I'm not sure if we've played before, would you mind joining me for a little sim flight next time we see each other online - my PSN is MACADEMIC. I'm frequently on at evenings/nights in Europe.

See you soon!

MAC

wakespeak 08-06-2010 05:37 PM

MACADEMIC,

You sent me a friend request a while back after a game we played with some other folks. I will look for you online as well.

MACADEMIC 08-07-2010 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wakespeak (Post 173904)
MACADEMIC,

You sent me a friend request a while back after a game we played with some other folks. I will look for you online as well.

Sorry, yes I knew your PSN sounded familiar but I can't remember the game we played. So let's just catch up online soon.

MAC

MACADEMIC 08-07-2010 11:16 PM

New Member
 
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_hpxaqo7FS9...y%2BEagles.jpg

Very pleased to announce our latest member: wakespeak

Welcome to our Club!

MAC

olife 08-19-2010 09:01 PM

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hello guys

i m back ,hehe...after 1 week in vacation in south of france...no ps3 of course but under the sun of the south ,with the sound of the cicadas and of course between 2 pastis , i did a drawings of ww2 planes...i add it

olife 08-19-2010 09:04 PM

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...and exuse me for the mistakes of the plane's lines but i did it without models just what i remember about the lines of the planes,hope u pardon me...

MACADEMIC 08-20-2010 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by olife (Post 175854)
...and exuse me for the mistakes of the plane's lines but i did it without models just what i remember about the lines of the planes,hope u pardon me...

Hello Olife San,

Happy to hear you've had a good holiday! Really good drawings, you have great talent - looking forward to Pin Up Club girl September...

;-)

See you soon buddy,

MAC

McQ59 08-20-2010 10:58 AM

Great drawings Olife! I really must say...
So you weren't able to "quit" BoP even in the vacation ,-)

When are you guys going to organize a strikemission to protect poor old Gilly's worn out bomber from the furious Jagdstaffels of Der Fürers Luftwaffe?

I'm warming up my K4...

olife 08-20-2010 12:53 PM

hello guys,

thanks a lot for those nice words,very sympathetic from u.
yes " teacher" miss september will be here very soon, it is ready ,just add the text,and yes mcQ59 i weren't able to quite bop even in vacation!!...i even visited the modern warplanes museem in the city of MONTELIMARD ,i did 140 kilometers(go and back)to see a planes!

see u very soon in bop friends !!!

olife 08-20-2010 09:45 PM

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hello guys

miss september is now here

hope u will like

vdomini 08-22-2010 12:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by olife (Post 175852)
hello guys

i m back ,hehe...after 1 week in vacation in south of france...no ps3 of course but under the sun of the south ,with the sound of the cicadas and of course between 2 pastis , i did a drawings of ww2 planes...i add it


Loooool !!!!!
You are truuuuly obsessed by aviation and planes!!!! I imagine you drawing planes picture on holiday :)

Great to have you back!

I am obsessed too :p
last weekend i have been visiting the airport where i was able to take off in real, flying gliders. Maybe we all have been pilots in our past lives.

Now im writing from my fav pub in my city, that have wireless... Oh dear i need another gin tonic


See u later

The_Stapler 08-22-2010 12:51 AM

Hey, had a good night P-51ing and general sim flying, thanks. Can I be enrolled in the P-51 club? I use the pad.

Also,vdomini, have you flown solo in a glider? I would really recommend it! Everyone always told me "Videogames wont make you fly better", but they do! It works the other way too. After gliding for a week, I can land in simulator!

Keep It Flying...

MACADEMIC 08-23-2010 07:00 PM

Miss September
 
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Thank you Olife, faboulous!

MAC

P.S.: I like the way the icebear smiles...

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/attachm...5&d=1282586370

MACADEMIC 08-23-2010 07:04 PM

New Member The_Stapler
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Stapler (Post 176233)
Hey, had a good night P-51ing and general sim flying, thanks. Can I be enrolled in the P-51 club? I use the pad.

Very pleased to accept your application, you're a skilled P-51 jockey! Welcome to the Club!

MAC

P.S.: What layout are you using for your Pad?

MACADEMIC 08-23-2010 07:06 PM

New Member swoop117
 
Very happy to announce the first 'upgrade' of a Friend of P-51 Mustang Purist Club: swoop117 is now a full member of the Club.

Welcome!

MAC

MACADEMIC 08-23-2010 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by McQ59 (Post 175943)
Great drawings Olife! I really must say...
So you weren't able to "quit" BoP even in the vacation ,-)

When are you guys going to organize a strikemission to protect poor old Gilly's worn out bomber from the furious Jagdstaffels of Der Fürers Luftwaffe?

I'm warming up my K4...

Coming soon McQ59, and thanks for your patience!

MAC

olife 08-25-2010 02:09 AM

[QUOTE=MACADEMIC;176579]Thank you Olife, faboulous!

MAC

P.S.: I like the way the icebear smiles...

hello teacher

thanks a lot for the compliment,but i just see that there is an error in this pic :the lady is not exactly in the middle of the pic!what a stupid error from me!exuse me guys,really sorry!

McQ59 08-25-2010 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MACADEMIC (Post 176583)
Coming soon McQ59, and thanks for your patience!

MAC


No worries mate. I've been out there training and having a good time with the bomberlads.

MACADEMIC 08-26-2010 12:04 PM

Special Club game: P-51 Mustang Purist Club against Luftwaffe
 
http://www.airartcsbailey.com/files/...-vs-P-51-B.jpg

Dear all,

I'm happy to announce a new Special Club game: AERIAL BATTLES - P-51 MUSTANG PURIST CLUB AGAINST LUFTWAFFE

It has taken some time to evaluate scenarios and possible adversaries. This has been necessary to balance out the disadvantages we're carrying with our Mustangs and Club Rules (but HUD allowed) versus opponents who fly with HUD, virtual cockpit and any sensitivity they wish. While the Aerial Battles are not necessarily going to be historically accurate (types of airplanes flying against each other), we're limiting the maps to at least introduce a certain feel of historicity. I would like to thank everybody who participated in the evaluations, special thanks to tommykocher and swoop117 for their time and dedication.

The Aerial Battles are played in Strike Mode. Ground targets must not be attacked. Sole purpose of the game is to establish Air Superiority by counting fewer casualties than the enemy. The game is played on three maps: Britain, Bulge and Berlin. Winner is, who at the end of the game has suffered fewer casualties. Points are not taken into consideration.

Game Mode: Strike
Maps: Britain, Bulge, Berlin
Duration: 20 minutes
Time of Day: Any
Weather: Any
Points: Maximum
Fuel and Ammo: Limited
Respawn Time: 15 seconds
Minimum Number of Players: 2
Maximum Number of Players: 10, but may be higher as long as there is not too much lag

Team A:

- Members of the P-51 Mustang Purist Club
- Allowable Airplane Types: P-51 B, P-51 D5
- Club Rules, but HUD allowed

Team B:

- Friends of P-51 Mustang Purist Club, Members of P-51 Mustang Purist Club
- Allowable Airplane Types: Bf109 E-3, FW190 A-5, FW190 F-8, FW190 D-9, TA-152
- Limitations: none, except that Members of the P-51 Mustang Purist Club who fly with Team B have to fly with full sensitivity

Ideally both teams would have the same number of players, however a difference of 1 is acceptable.

It seems possible to expand the maps and allowable airplanes later on, but for now let's keep it simple like this. It is my hope that the P-51 Mustang Purist Club will learn to cope with the disadvantages inherent in this game by increasing their tactical and teamworking skills.

As usual, the game should be started from the Chat room to ensure that the game is set up for the correct number of participants and only invited players enter the game room.

One last thing: we need more Friends to make this game a success. If you know anybody who would like to fly the available German planes against us, please invite them to become Friends by replying either here, on the Friends thread, or by sending me a PM or a message on the Playstation Network.

Looking forward to exciting Aerial Battles!

MAC

olife 08-26-2010 05:11 PM

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hello teacher,

very nice color profile!!
great idea this air battle!!!!

see u soon teacher

olife 08-26-2010 05:20 PM

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...and miss september after update(correct position of the lady in the middle of the pic)

swoop117 08-27-2010 04:17 AM

Hi guys!

I'm glad to see the latest news from the club!
The new game is going to be fascinating. I believe it would be useful if we could set up a date of games and pilots could leave a message whether they could participate in games. Or another way, after pilots wrote about their availability time for gaming we could set up a date for games.

MACADEMIC, it is a pity I could not catch you yesterday in ps3 network.

MACADEMIC 08-27-2010 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swoop117 (Post 177225)
Hi guys!

I'm glad to see the latest news from the club!
The new game is going to be fascinating. I believe it would be useful if we could set up a date of games and pilots could leave a message whether they could participate in games. Or another way, after pilots wrote about their availability time for gaming we could set up a date for games.

MACADEMIC, it is a pity I could not catch you yesterday in ps3 network.

Hi swoop and all,

The test matches we played were great, should we get 10 or more airplanes in the air this game would really shine. McQ59 (a Friend) offers to host, he has a stable connection for up to 14 players without lag.

I agree it would be good to announce some dates when the game is going to be played, please feel free to make a start. Any Club member or Friend can initiate an appointment.

However, we need more Friends. It's very simple and easy as you know, Friends just need to fly the agreed German airplanes. I wonder if a000...123 would be interested, perhaps someone can ask him. Also, please spread the word to get more people signing up to make this game, and the others to follow, a success.

See you all soon!

MAC

howzmidyktzt 08-27-2010 05:55 PM

I will be happy to join if you guys don't mind. I am always up for a good challenge amongst good people.

McKinneyJD 08-27-2010 09:48 PM

Agreed, I'm always up for an organized flight among friends. I always fly full sensitivity, allied or axis, any plane needed.

MACADEMIC 08-29-2010 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by McKinneyJD (Post 177448)
Agreed, I'm always up for an organized flight among friends. I always fly full sensitivity, allied or axis, any plane needed.

Hi McKinneyJD,

I'll put you on the list as a Friend.

Thanks and see you soon!

MAC

MACADEMIC 08-29-2010 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by howzmidyktzt (Post 177379)
I will be happy to join if you guys don't mind. I am always up for a good challenge amongst good people.

Hi there,

Thanks for your interest in our club. Don't think we've met before, let's do a practice run sometime soon.

MAC

P.S.: For now I'll put you on the list as Friend, on a separate thread.

MACADEMIC 08-29-2010 05:46 PM

Away
 
Dear all,

I'm traveling for the next few days and have no chance to get online on the PS3. Would be good if you all can keep the new Special Club game AERIAL BATTLES in Strike against Friends going (e.g. Tommy), this game has turned out very exciting matches.

Have fun and see you soon!

MAC

P.S.: Kleine Übersetzung für Tommykocher. Bin für ein paar Tage unterwegs, bitte macht beim neuen Spiel weiter und rekrutiert auch neue Freunde wenn's geht! Bis bald!

howzmidyktzt 08-30-2010 07:52 PM

Sure, I will do a practice round with you. I have been playing BOP since it came out, I usually fly with chowbird, spin, rat, chameleon, mckinney and so on.

SgtLooney 09-03-2010 01:12 AM

I have a simple question, why is only the Bf-109 E3 allowed for 109s? I'd understand restricting the G6 and K-4 but removing the F-4, G-2 and G-10 strikes me as odd.

MACADEMIC 09-03-2010 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SgtLooney (Post 178635)
I have a simple question, why is only the Bf-109 E3 allowed for 109s? I'd understand restricting the G6 and K-4 but removing the F-4, G-2 and G-10 strikes me as odd.

We did quite a lot of testing of the P51-B and -D5 against all variants of the 109s, the result being that for now we can only consider the E3 a fair match. Bear in mind that we fly the Mustangs in cockpit only, with full sensititivity and without HUD. We tested the 109s with full sensitivity and custom layouts on the PAD. We recommend this, the 109s fly much better with custom layouts.

Are you considering joining as a Friend? I see you also fly the FW190-D9.

MAC

vdomini 09-08-2010 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MACADEMIC (Post 178705)
We did quite a lot of testing of the P51-B and -D5 against all variants of the 109s, the result being that for now we can only consider the E3 a fair match. Bear in mind that we fly the Mustangs in cockpit only, with full sensititivity and without HUD. We tested the 109s with full sensitivity and custom layouts on the PAD. We recommend this, the 109s fly much better with custom layouts.

Are you considering joining as a Friend? I see you also fly the FW190-D9.

MAC

Hello MAC! :-)

I would like to tell you my opinion on E3.

I have discovered that in this game i can fly E3 way better than FW. For some reason, i can't make a FW turn.

I fear that an E3 can very easily shoot down a mustang.

I would feel my ass safer against a FW :rolleyes:

My opinion of course...

Hope to play with you soon!! BYEEE FRIEND

SgtLooney 09-09-2010 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MACADEMIC (Post 178705)
We did quite a lot of testing of the P51-B and -D5 against all variants of the 109s, the result being that for now we can only consider the E3 a fair match. Bear in mind that we fly the Mustangs in cockpit only, with full sensititivity and without HUD. We tested the 109s with full sensitivity and custom layouts on the PAD. We recommend this, the 109s fly much better with custom layouts.

Are you considering joining as a Friend? I see you also fly the FW190-D9.

MAC

I was indeed considering joining as a friend, I'll need a bit more full sensitivity practice with the 190-D9 it seems.

MACADEMIC 09-10-2010 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SgtLooney (Post 180002)
I was indeed considering joining as a friend, I'll need a bit more full sensitivity practice with the 190-D9 it seems.

Hi,

Perhaps you misunderstood, there's no need for you to fly with full sensitivity as a Friend. That only applies to full members of the Club in case they fly German fighters.

MAC

MACADEMIC 09-10-2010 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vdomini (Post 179710)
Hello MAC! :-)

I would like to tell you my opinion on E3.

I have discovered that in this game i can fly E3 way better than FW. For some reason, i can't make a FW turn.

I fear that an E3 can very easily shoot down a mustang.

I would feel my ass safer against a FW :rolleyes:

My opinion of course...

Hope to play with you soon!! BYEEE FRIEND

Hi my Friend,

Of course a distinguished pilot like yourself is a terrible enemy to face in any aircraft, the E3 being no exception.

As far as I remember the matches that I've participated in flying the Mustang against the E3 it were fairly even matched and a thrill for both sides.

I hope that the Club will evolve to not rely on the strength of it's airplanes so much but more on team tactics and coordination between flight leader and wingman. If we do, we could consider taking on even stronger aircraft.

For now I think the E3 is a good opponent for us.

See you soon!

MAC

MACADEMIC 09-10-2010 10:51 AM

Tonight
 
Hello Club and Friends!

I've been away from any playing opportunity on the PS3 for a while - too long!
Hopefully I'll be able to come online tonight and meet and fly with many of you.

Looking forward!

MAC

MACADEMIC 09-10-2010 03:55 PM

Aerial Battles against Luftwaffe - Small Change
 
I forgot to release the FW190 F-8. They have that now too.

MAC

SgtLooney 09-12-2010 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MACADEMIC (Post 180089)
Hi,

Perhaps you misunderstood, there's no need for you to fly with full sensitivity as a Friend. That only applies to full members of the Club in case they fly German fighters.

MAC

So I did, still though I like the challenge wrangling that D-9 on full sensitivity offers. In actual battles I'll use my normal settings the most though I think.

MACADEMIC 09-13-2010 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SgtLooney (Post 180900)
So I did, still though I like the challenge wrangling that D-9 on full sensitivity offers. In actual battles I'll use my normal settings the most though I think.

That's very honorable of you, I like it when people seek new challenges. In case you fly with the Pad, full sensitivity works much better with a Custom Layout. You can find a How To Guide on this thread.

I feel you'd be an ideal candidate for QBlackDeathQ 's JG26!

Cheers and see you out there!

MAC

MACADEMIC 09-13-2010 09:51 AM

Custom Layouts
 
Hello all,

Many of us have been flying with Custom Layout on the Pad for quite some time now. I've recently discovered how to make it even more responsive and agile, much better in my opinion.

I've reduced all the non-linearities and deadzone settings to 0.

Waiting for you to try for yourself, and your feedback!

MAC

P.S.: Mage, I hope you get a new PS3 soon, you're missing out on a lot of fun these days!:)

P.P.S.: Same goes for you kozzmo, come on get on with it, sell your old PS3 to the Air Force and get a new one!

Mage_016 09-16-2010 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MACADEMIC (Post 180972)
Hello all,

Many of us have been flying with Custom Layout on the Pad for quite some time now. I've recently discovered how to make it even more responsive and agile, much better in my opinion.

I've reduced all the non-linearities and deadzone settings to 0.

Waiting for you to try for yourself, and your feedback!

MAC

P.S.: Mage, I hope you get a new PS3 soon, you're missing out on a lot of fun these days!:)

P.P.S.: Same goes for you kozzmo, come on get on with it, sell your old PS3 to the Air Force and get a new one!

Oh, I will buy a new one soon. Can't wait to get back to skies with you guys. I've been really busy with work lately and I think it will continue like this a while. And it's hunting season going on, so my weekends are quite full scheduled too. But i'm going to find some time for bop, thats for sure.

wakespeak 09-17-2010 07:04 PM

Hi guys. Used the custom settings with the Thrustmaster Hotas last night. Definately better than the stock Thrustmaster settings after a bit of trial and error. The P-51 seems to fly more realistically. I have a few clicks of elevator dead zone and non-linearity - everything else off.

I played with MACADEMIC a couple rounds last night. Got shot down when I kept pressing the trim instead of the map. The throttle works differently as well - working on that.

MACADEMIC 09-21-2010 08:46 PM

Training Exercise 1: Pair Formation Flying
 
http://www.warbirdalley.com/images/M...ip-gessert.jpg

Fellow Mustang pilots,

I'm sure most of you are aware of the imminent threat the FW-190 D9s of the rising JG52 is posing to us. We must do all in our power to stop their relentless expansion and must take the battle to them. *

For this new situation, teamwork is of the essence. No matter how skilled we all may be as individual Mustang pilots, it means nothing if we are not able to apply our combined forces against the enemy.

Therefore, I urge you to engage in the Club's training exercises immediately.

The first of a series of excercises, which I will publish on this thread, is:

1. Pair Formation flying

Here are some critical points for the proper execution of this task:

- Good communication between the leader and his wingman are of the essence, therefore use headsets as much as possible.

- the leader must consider the wingman's location and his ability to keep up. Therefore, announce any turns, climbs, dives. Make them gentle in the beginning. Do not power ahead with full power if your wingman is already far behind. He won't have a chance to catch up.

- it's good practice for the leader to announce his power setting and configuration (flaps up or down).

- it's easiest for the wingman to follow if the leader maintains a constant power setting and does not make abrupt power changes unannounced.

- the wingman's position is on the leader's left wing, slightly behind and below. Practice assuming this position when the leader orders 'Close formation'.

- at the beginning, you will need more distance between you and the leader, but you will be able to fly closer with practice.

- a fundamental rule to formation flying is to keep your wings parallel with the leader's wings

- the secret to formation flying is that the leader's airplane becomes the sole reference point for the wingman - what the leader does, the wingman does. Stick the leader's plane in a position in your right windscreen and keep him there.

- make small and glentle adjustments continuously. Use rudder for keeping your lateral position with reference to the leader. Consider inertia and drag. Power changes take a while to have their effect on speed (acceleration/deceleration). If you are too fast and start to overshoot, consider the use of combat flaps which will decelerate you quickly. Raise them and adjust power as soon as you have stopped your plane from overshooting.

- When practicing, turn you HUD on. It is easier for both leader and wingman to accurately see their airspeeds and throttle settings. I will follow up with an explanation of the Airspeed Indicator and Manifold Pressure Gauge to enable the club to do without HUD in all circumstances.

- the maneuver may seem difficult at first but with practice you will master it. The aim for us must be that it becomes second nature to fly in formation comparable to driving your car in traffic.

- Finally, it's a lot of fun and very immersive.

Please everybody, get on with it asap. Team up with a Club member when you can. In addition I will host a series of open ended games for Club members where pairs of two can form for practice.

I look forward to seeing results soon. All pilots report back here confirming they have mastered the excercise.

MAC

This USN training video deals with three and four airplane formations. Since it provides some excellent basic information on any formation flying, I have included it here.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...2837826774725#

* Please always be mindful that our enemy's pilots are honorable and skilled airmen. Treat them with respect, and be on guard.

olife 09-22-2010 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MACADEMIC (Post 183444)
http://www.warbirdalley.com/images/M...ip-gessert.jpg

Fellow Mustang pilots,

I'm sure most of you are aware of the imminent threat the FW-190 D9s of the rising JG52 is posing to us. We must do all in our power to stop their relentless expansion and must take the battle to them. *

For this new situation, teamwork is of the essence. No matter how skilled we all may be as individual Mustang pilots, it means nothing if we are not able to apply our combined forces against the enemy.

Therefore, I urge you to engage in the Club's training exercises immediately.

The first of a series of excercises, which I will publish on this thread, is:

1. Pair Formation flying

Here are some critical points for the proper execution of this task:

- Good communication between the leader and his wingman are of the essence, therefore use headsets as much as possible.

- the leader must consider the wingman's location and his ability to keep up. Therefore, announce any turns, climbs, dives. Make them gentle in the beginning. Do not power ahead with full power if your wingman is already far behind. He won't have a chance to catch up.

- it's good practice for the leader to announce his power setting and configuration (flaps up or down).

- it's easiest for the wingman to follow if the leader maintains a constant power setting and does not make abrupt power changes unannounced.

- the wingman's position is on the leader's left wing, slightly behind and above. Practice assuming this position when the leader orders 'Close formation'.

- at the beginning, you will need more distance between you and the leader, but you will be able to fly closer with practice.

- the secret to formation flying is that the leader's airplane becomes the sole reference point for the wingman - what the leader does, the wingman does. Stick the leader's plane in a position in your right windscreen and keep him there.

- make small and glentle adjustments continuously. Consider inertia and drag. Power changes take a while to have their effect on speed (acceleration/deceleration). If you are too fast and start to overshoot, consider the use of combat flaps which will decelerate you quickly. Raise them and adjust power as soon as you have stopped your plane from overshooting.

- If you get too close to the leader and lose sight, bank left and pull up to avoid collision. You can then Yo-Yo back into your position.

- When practicing, turn you HUD on. It is easier for both leader and wingman to accurately see their airspeeds and throttle settings. I will follow up with an explanation of the Airspeed Indicator and Manifold Pressure Gauge to enable the club to do without HUD in all circumstances.

- the maneuver may seem difficult at first but with practice you will master it. The aim for us must be that it becomes second nature to fly in formation comparable to driving your car in traffic.

- Finally, it's a lot of fun and very immersive.

Please everybody, get on with it asap. Team up with a Club member when you can. In addition I will host a series of open ended games for Club members where pairs of two can form for practice.

I look forward to seeing results soon. All pilots report back here confirming they have mastered the excercise.

MAC

* Please always be mindful that our enemy's pilots are honorable and skilled airmen. Treat them with respect, and be on guard.

hello guys,

yes totally agree with teacher mac,i tried the formation pair training with him during 1 hour 2 days ago,and i must say it is a very very very good training cause learn to be cool,patient and exelent to learn how analyse the combat situation with calm!i think it it the best way to progress...if u are as me(speed,stress and nervous)the formation pair training can help u a lot!
and what a great fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!we were only two but i can imagine the big fun it must be if we are many players in formation...as in the real it is the first most important thing that a pilot must learn!!enjoy!enjoy!

i will change my old ps3 very soon (end of this month maybe or sure at the beginning of the next month)this old lady who give my so much fun is now badly tired...i bought her when it came out in europe in 2006 or 2007!
"she win the medal of honor of the congress and the purple heart of the videos game " lol!
see u guys aces

vdomini 09-22-2010 02:25 PM

Would like to add something i took from wiki:

"In the first year or so of World War I, air combat was more of a one-on-one affair. The early aces, like Pegoud, Garros, Boelcke and Immelmann, hunted the skies alone. As the war progressed, the sheer number of machines in the sky increased. Several reconnaissance machines traveled together for mutual protection, further protected by escorting fighters. Boelcke recognized that the days of the lone hunter were over. Many young pilots, however, still came to the front expecting to dash valiantly into battle as an errant knight, alone, but in reality they would be quickly overwhelmed by multiple enemies. Boelcke tirelessly lectured his pupils on the need for teamwork—sometimes scolding them for acting too independently. Attacking in a group allowed the leader to concentrate his attention exclusively on his target, while his wingmen protected his tail.

Air battles later in the war could involve dozens of aircraft from each side at the same time. The sky could become a swirling tangle of machines. When your side was at a numerical disadvantage, it was especially important not to double up on one opponent. The concentrated fire was of dubious value, since you were just as likely to get in each other's way as to hit the enemy. Doubling up also left an enemy machine somewhere unbothered and free to tail one of your side's machines. Later in the war, teamwork became the primary key to success and survival."

I totally agree with MAC, and, knowing him and how he dedicate to this game, i would highly encouriage all Club pilots to train and master all the formation technique MAC suggested. He's been studying this game dynamic and flaws for hours to develop the best and quicker path to master formation flying. I would love to try them too but my lack of time always lead me into short 10 minute no cockpit no full sens drunk dogfight! So, until i will have not been practicing that what mac says about formation, don't count me in for any club official fight, if i can not deliver 100% of my fly skills to the club, i would prefer staying on ground ( in a pub ) rather then putting in risk the wingleader or wingman life ehehe


Olife
! You are one of the best pilot around in this game! The only thing i've noticed about your "nevorus flying" is that you crash too much sometimes. Don't get me wrong, i do crash a lot too, but we have always think about the ground as another enemy! In real life, pilots had no respawns point, so pulling up a risky dive toward the ground not caring if we're going to dig an hole into it because we will respawn at 700 m higher few second later HAVE to be avoided at all cost. Best thing to do is DO NOT PULL A MANOUVER that you are not sure you're going to survive it. Do not kill with your own hands! Parts of the chasing and looping strategy is to lead the enemy down, forcing him to loose his altitude, until the only things he can do is turn or climb, or, face the death by enemy leads. That is very important when the enemy flyes a better performant plane then yours. Stay sharp! ;)

See you all in the sky, be prepared against FW!

olife 09-22-2010 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vdomini (Post 183639)
Would like to add something i took from wiki:

"In the first year or so of World War I, air combat was more of a one-on-one affair. The early aces, like Pegoud, Garros, Boelcke and Immelmann, hunted the skies alone. As the war progressed, the sheer number of machines in the sky increased. Several reconnaissance machines traveled together for mutual protection, further protected by escorting fighters. Boelcke recognized that the days of the lone hunter were over. Many young pilots, however, still came to the front expecting to dash valiantly into battle as an errant knight, alone, but in reality they would be quickly overwhelmed by multiple enemies. Boelcke tirelessly lectured his pupils on the need for teamwork—sometimes scolding them for acting too independently. Attacking in a group allowed the leader to concentrate his attention exclusively on his target, while his wingmen protected his tail.

Air battles later in the war could involve dozens of aircraft from each side at the same time. The sky could become a swirling tangle of machines. When your side was at a numerical disadvantage, it was especially important not to double up on one opponent. The concentrated fire was of dubious value, since you were just as likely to get in each other's way as to hit the enemy. Doubling up also left an enemy machine somewhere unbothered and free to tail one of your side's machines. Later in the war, teamwork became the primary key to success and survival."

I totally agree with MAC, and, knowing him and how he dedicate to this game, i would highly encouriage all Club pilots to train and master all the formation technique MAC suggested. He's been studying this game dynamic and flaws for hours to develop the best and quicker path to master formation flying. I would love to try them too but my lack of time always lead me into short 10 minute no cockpit no full sens drunk dogfight! So, until i will have not been practicing that what mac says about formation, don't count me in for any club official fight, if i can not deliver 100% of my fly skills to the club, i would prefer staying on ground ( in a pub ) rather then putting in risk the wingleader or wingman life ehehe


Olife
! You are one of the best pilot around in this game! The only thing i've noticed about your "nevorus flying" is that you crash too much sometimes. Don't get me wrong, i do crash a lot too, but we have always think about the ground as another enemy! In real life, pilots had no respawns point, so pulling up a risky dive toward the ground not caring if we're going to dig an hole into it because we will respawn at 700 m higher few second later HAVE to be avoided at all cost. Best thing to do is DO NOT PULL A MANOUVER that you are not sure you're going to survive it. Do not kill with your own hands! Parts of the chasing and looping strategy is to lead the enemy down, forcing him to loose his altitude, until the only things he can do is turn or climb, or, face the death by enemy leads. That is very important when the enemy flyes a better performant plane then yours. Stay sharp! ;)

See you all in the sky, be prepared against FW!

hello vodkadomini ace

yes totally agree with u,the crashs are my biggest prob in all the planes game i do...too much risks,in sim and realistic too...must progress and the way will be hard to become just good!
in fact my bad eyes (left eye 7/10 right eye 8,5/10 with my big glasses)disturbe me a lot in sim,but i refuse to take my bad view as a pretext to explain my lot of crashs,i must learn to be "stronger than my eyes"and i m sure i m not the only one guy in this case,i m just too nervous and ridiculous in my flys because of stress and the formation training of teacher macademic is very good for me to stay calm and cool in same time i learn to analyse the combat situation...the challenge will be hard...i m ready to fight against my own defaults!

good hunting to all!!

MACADEMIC 09-23-2010 05:53 PM

Formation Flying Good Training Opportunity!
 
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Hi Guys,

In addition to my previous post regarding the training exercise for formation flying, I found an excellent way to practice this in Single Player mode whenever you like:

In Single Missions, under Battle of Britain, there is the Mission 'Inspect AAAs'. Ignore the original purpose of the mission. After Mission Start, climb your Spitfire to approximately 8000 feet and head North-Northeast for the coast. You will soon see a large formation of Hurricanes flying westerly (look for it on the map). Pick one of the Hurries as your leader and practice to stay in formation.

The formation will eventually fly out of the part of the map where you can follow. Just circle where you are and await their coming back. They will then go on in East-Southeasterly direction for a long time and turn back for the Northern coastline when far out at sea. This inspection pattern will go on and on indefinitely, so you have as much time as you like practicing your wingman skills. This mission is not time limited.

If anyone has come across a similar formation flying training opportunity, ideally involving flying P-51s, please let us know!

Enjoy!

MAC

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/attachm...0&d=1285262476

SgtLooney 09-24-2010 02:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MACADEMIC (Post 180969)
That's very honorable of you, I like it when people seek new challenges. In case you fly with the Pad, full sensitivity works much better with a Custom Layout. You can find a How To Guide on this thread.

I feel you'd be an ideal candidate for QBlackDeathQ 's JG26!

Cheers and see you out there!

MAC

Yeah I use the pad, and I have one of the cutsom layouts selected, the D-9 still can be a handful. I'll check out QBlackDeathQ 's JG26. Sorry I've not been on lately life is busy and when I get on there's not always very many pilots online.

EDIT, turns out its JG52 and I've put in a join request.

MACADEMIC 09-24-2010 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SgtLooney (Post 184097)
Yeah I use the pad, and I have one of the cutsom layouts selected, the D-9 still can be a handful. I'll check out QBlackDeathQ 's JG26. Sorry I've not been on lately life is busy and when I get on there's not always very many pilots online.

EDIT, turns out its JG52 and I've put in a join request.

Lol, yes they seem to have been uncertain themselves for some time which JG they want to be - right you are, they've settled for JG52 now.

MAC

MACADEMIC 09-24-2010 10:29 AM

Changes Rules Aerial Battles P51 vs Luftwaffe
 
Hello all,

Introducing some changes to reflect experience.

1. FW-190 F8 and TA-152 now allowed for Luftwaffe

2. Team suffering less casualties wins, points are disregarded

3. P51 Club may use HUD

Best,

MAC

MACADEMIC 09-25-2010 12:44 PM

P-51 Pair Formation Training Opportunity
 
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Hello all,

Just to let you know I've found a good training opportunity to practice Pair Formation Flying when on your own. Under Single Player/Single Missions/Battle of the Bulge, there is the Mission 'Road to Bastogne'.

Immediately after the mission starts, look up and there is a single P-51 flying above you. Climb up and latch onto his wing. He will keep climbing for a bit and then continue straight ahead for a while. At times you may encounter FW-190s, and may have protect your leader. Later on your leader may descend and start a series of ground attacks.

This is an excellent training opportunity. Since your leader is moving quite a bit, climbing, descending and turning, it will require your full attention to stay with him. When getting separated due to his abrupt maneuvers, try to get back and stay on his wing as quickly as possible.

Enjoy!

MAC

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/attachm...6&d=1285415271

olife 09-29-2010 04:33 PM

pin up club
 
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hello guys

just to add miss october.

olife 09-29-2010 09:07 PM

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and 2 wallpapers
u will find 2 others in the jg52 thread

MACADEMIC 10-01-2010 12:58 PM

Pin Up Club October
 
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Thank you Olife,

Sweet! Enjoy everybody,

MAC

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/attachm...2&d=1285934434

vdomini 10-07-2010 08:25 PM

What is supposed to be sexy?
The plane or the woman?

( answer very CAREFULLY to this question lol )

MACADEMIC 10-08-2010 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vdomini (Post 187906)
What is supposed to be sexy?
The plane or the woman?

( answer very CAREFULLY to this question lol )

I like to go by the principle of 'This AND That', not 'Either/Or'...

:)

MACADEMIC 10-08-2010 03:40 PM

P-51 Mustang Purist Club vs Friends/JG52 Sat 9 Oct 2100UTC
 
Hello Club,

All who can please show up for some great sessions of the Club versus Friends/JG52 on Saturday October 9th from 2100 UTC onwards!

We're going to play according to Aerial Battles P51 Club versus Friends Rules. Games are going to be started from the chat room, so please join there first. McQ59 is going to host!

Hope to see many of you tomorrow!

MAC

vdomini 10-11-2010 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by macademic (Post 188151)
i like to go by the principle of 'this and that', not 'either/or'...

:)

You're a genius!!! :-p

MACADEMIC 10-21-2010 07:22 PM

Hello all,

Nice documentary. Enjoy!

MAC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKNl7...e=channel_page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVtVi...eature=channel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5B_v...=QL&feature=BF

olife 10-29-2010 04:11 PM

pin up club
 
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miss november is now here

Bearcat 11-02-2010 01:29 AM

Nice vids!!

Although I am a PC simer... it is nice to see that this is taking off to some extent on a console...

~!S!~

MACADEMIC 11-03-2010 11:17 AM

Miss November
 
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Hello all,

Thanks to our dear friend Olife, we have Miss November to brighten up these cold dark November days and nights...

Enjoy!

MAC

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/attachm...9&d=1288783048

MACADEMIC 11-03-2010 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 194582)
Nice vids!!

Although I am a PC simer... it is nice to see that this is taking off to some extent on a console...

~!S!~

Thanks Bearcat,

I've seen you around on the yuplay WOP forums as well I think...yes we are a fine community of Mustang fliers on the PS3. Quite a difference on the console, the aircraft are all (including the Mustang) quite a bit more powerful, and it's much easier to communicate, the network and game are way more stable than on WOP (which really takes the fun out of this game unfortunately). Not as many options as on the PC though, and patches or DLCs have become impossible due to the complicated nature of the publisher/developer relationship and the PS framework.

But there'll be a sequel for both platforms which we look forward to. Thanks for stopping by!

MAC

vdomini 11-05-2010 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by olife (Post 193748)
miss november is now here


Can we have the plane in background instead of the woman on the next month? :rolleyes: hhihihihi

olife 11-05-2010 09:19 PM

[QUOTE=MACADEMIC;194919]Hello all,

Thanks to our dear friend Olife, we have Miss November to brighten up these cold dark November days and nights...

Enjoy!

MAC





millions thanks teacher!!always a pleasure to work for the club!!
olife

olife 11-05-2010 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vdomini (Post 195622)
Can we have the plane in background instead of the woman on the next month? :rolleyes: hhihihihi

haha!!!lol!!
i think to do a special "miss" works but i will send it by psn message cause i m not sure the moderators will accept it in the forum!!lol!!

see u soon great ace!!

MACADEMIC 11-14-2010 06:58 PM

Recruitment Officer
 
Hello members, Friends and all interested in the Club,

Pleased to introduce our member tommykocher (PSN) as our new Recruitment Officer. The creation of this post has become necessary as I have to be away from the game for longer periods of time due to work related travel, and tommykocher has agreed to take up the post.

He will be glad to assist you with your questions about the Club or Friends, sign you up for Friends or recommend you for full membership.

Best,

MAC

olife 11-25-2010 06:51 PM

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hello guys

miss december is here

MACADEMIC 11-27-2010 06:08 PM

Miss December
 
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Hello all,

Thanks to our dear friend Olife, Christmas comes early this year.

Enjoy!

MAC

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/attachm...9&d=1290881295

olife 11-29-2010 06:19 PM

millions thanks teacher!!
pleasure is mine !!and long life the club!!!

olife 12-15-2010 05:23 PM

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hello guys

hope all is good for u,christmas come
a special pin up club work here

MACADEMIC 12-15-2010 06:33 PM

Ho Ho Ho!
 
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A special Christmas treat by our 'Santa' Olife. Delicious, must be great to be French!

;-)

MAC

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/attachm...7&d=1292437981

olife 12-15-2010 06:51 PM

hello teacher!!

hehe!!millions thanks teacher!!
u know the frenchies can be very stupid too!!LOOOOL!!!
who are never happy,always grumbler,think they have always the best opinion ,find their football team is the best ,and drink some pastis in the pub when their wifes wait for us at home... :the DAMNED FRENCHIES!!!! LOOOOL !!!!VIVE LA FRANCE!!!!!!

MACADEMIC 12-18-2010 10:34 PM

New Member
 
Dear all,

Pleased to announce a new member: TheMeistor

Welcome to the Club!

MAC

MACADEMIC 12-18-2010 10:48 PM

News about Custom Layouts
 
Dear all,

I just learned something which I didn't know before which might come as good news for our members who are used to playing with Standard Layout on the PS3 Controller (Pad).

Didn't know that the D-Pad (the four bottons arranged as a cross on the left side of the Pad) function as directing the view in games other than Training or Campaigns, that is in Dogfights etc. In Training and Campaigns, they are set up to give commands to your flight.

Member TheMeistor pointed this out to me. He is mostly using these buttons to look around while playing with the Standard Layout, he keeps his thumbs on the sticks and is using his left pointer finger to press the respective D-Pad button.

Custom Layouts didn't seem to work for Standard Layout users since when pressing R3 to look around, it doesn't cancel the other functions of the right stick (throttle/rudder) due to a bug in the Custom software.

If you are used to flying with the Standard layout and set up Custom to use the D-Pad for the looking directions, you can still benefit from the greatly enhanced flying characteristics of the airplane under Custom versus the Standard Layout. In this case do not set up R3 to activate your Camera, and leave the Camera Axes blank. Unfortunately you will not have a full over the shoulder look, just sideways over the wing, but this might still be a good tradeoff.

If you need help setting this up, I'll be glad to give you a hand when we meet onlline.

Best,

MAC

MACADEMIC 12-27-2010 01:27 PM

Tournament
 
Dear members,

We are soon having a tournament, Ace of Aces: Mustang Trophy, and you're all invited to join.

Please find infos here or click on the banner.

MAC

P.S.: Happy Holidays! :)

olife 01-03-2011 12:49 PM

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miss january is here

MACADEMIC 01-03-2011 12:56 PM

Miss January
 
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Dear Members,

The New Year starts Happy, with another delight from our French Connoisseur Olife!
Triple Banzai!

MAC

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/attachm...7&d=1294059354

KAV 01-03-2011 01:13 PM

Oooooooo I would love to be in that "cockpit" :eek::eek::eek::eek:

olife 01-03-2011 07:02 PM

thanks a lot guys!!!!

haha !!!kav,totally agree with u!!!mmmmmm,must be good to be in the cockpit!!!loool!!!

MACADEMIC 01-08-2011 08:24 PM

B) Tournament
 
Hello members,

You know, it's not forbidden to take part in the Club Rules tournament when you're already enlisted in the Open tournament...but no prizes, sorry.

:grin:

MAC

olife 01-11-2011 12:49 AM

[[IMG][URL=http://www.casimages.com]http://nsa26.casimages.com/img/2011/...2511345399.png[[/IMG]

yeeees!!!!!it is a try and it work!!
hehe teacher macademic...now i find the way to post my pic in large size!!!
u will have not too much work because of me now!!
thanks again to published my pics teacher

see u ace

Wade_VC 01-11-2011 04:45 AM

Although I am new to this game, what you describe sounds like a hoot!

I will try the described set-up and see how I do. If it looks like I can get the hang of it, I would like to be a part of this group as it does sound quite fun!

MACADEMIC 01-11-2011 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wade_VC (Post 211032)
Although I am new to this game, what you describe sounds like a hoot!

I will try the described set-up and see how I do. If it looks like I can get the hang of it, I would like to be a part of this group as it does sound quite fun!

Membership requires some experience, but happy to do some training session with you anytime, and give you a hand with doing a custom setup of your PS3 controller, should you be using that.

MAC

KAV 01-12-2011 02:36 PM

at Hendon
 
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Quote:

Originally Posted by MACADEMIC (Post 211116)
Membership requires some experience, but happy to do some training session with you anytime, and give you a hand with doing a custom setup of your PS3 controller, should you be using that.

MAC

And some close contact with a P51 ? :rolleyes:

Note the sign behind the plane.

MACADEMIC 01-12-2011 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KAV (Post 211292)
And some close contact with a P51 ? :rolleyes:

Note the sign behind the plane.

Lol, well it might help! Such as discrete little envelopes slipped quietly into my backpocket...

;)

MAC

Mage_016 01-16-2011 05:29 PM

Mustang Club Social group?
 
Hey

I have this idea that we should create one social group for these two clubs what we have here. It would be easy to schedule battles and meetings and other stuff like that. I dont know but i think there is possibility to create own topics for scheduling and other. Easier to find and share information i think.

What do you guys think?

MACADEMIC 01-16-2011 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mage_016 (Post 212736)
Hey

I have this idea that we should create one social group for these two clubs what we have here. It would be easy to schedule battles and meetings and other stuff like that. I dont know but i think there is possibility to create own topics for scheduling and other. Easier to find and share information i think.

What do you guys think?

I know what you mean Mage but I'm a bit reluctant to move away from the 1C forum. They may not be the best in terms of practicality, but this is the one place where people who play this game come to look. If we desert it we'll cut ourselves off from new people. To them it might look like the game is dead and there is no community if we leave.

MAC

Mage_016 01-16-2011 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MACADEMIC (Post 212740)
I know what you mean Mage but I'm a bit reluctant to move away from the 1C forum. They may not be the best in terms of practicality, but this is the one place where people who play this game come to look. If we desert it we'll cut ourselves off from new people. To them it might look like the game is dead and there is no community if we leave.

MAC

I meant this possibility what we have here on 1c forum.

I thought that under our own group we would easily and in order, find upcoming events, meetings, settings, members lists, rules... etc. Other conversations would still be here in this topic.

MACADEMIC 01-16-2011 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mage_016 (Post 212745)
I meant this possibility what we have here on 1c forum.

I thought that under our own group we would easily and in order, find upcoming events, meetings, settings, members lists, rules... etc. Other conversations would still be here in this topic.

On the 1C forum? That would be great, but I wouldn't know how to set it up. Do you?

MAC

Mage_016 01-16-2011 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MACADEMIC (Post 212780)
On the 1C forum? That would be great, but I wouldn't know how to set it up. Do you?

MAC

It can be found under that community link above the topic posts. I have never created social group. I'm browsing with my cell phone right now so I cant try it. Can u?

mavrickandgoose 02-09-2011 09:20 AM

Ill give this a shot just started playing sim not too long ago but I think I am doing fairly well I seem to at least be compatative so why not.also I saw a lot of talk on here about useing a custom controller layout won't the aviator layout work? that's what I have been useing on sim anyways I'll try the full sensitivity mustang thing tomorrow see how it works

mavrickandgoose 02-09-2011 09:24 AM

Scratch my question about the controller layout I just found the post about it sorry lol

olife 02-09-2011 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mavrickandgoose (Post 222010)
Scratch my question about the controller layout I just found the post about it sorry lol

no probs maverick!


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