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KAV 09-21-2010 06:11 PM

Thanks lads, but I am not wiser. My approach is: thr at 32, landing flaps, gear down. Touch down varies around 120-160 km/t. Throttle off, raised flaps and break until 70. Let roll passed 60 and 50. About 54 it tips and 7 of 10 its tips over. Trird this with varations of flaps set at both landing and raised. Firing gins doesnt seem to help. Stick back doesnt seem to help. What have had some effect has been using rudder. This maling the forward force gradually into rotation left and right.

BRIGGBOY 09-21-2010 07:06 PM

i dont know if it will help you guys but what i do is as soon as the tail wheel hits the ground i set the trim and use a little left rudder wwhen its just about to stop

KAV 09-21-2010 07:15 PM

Briggboy
thanks, have forgotten about trim.
Will try that next time airborne.

JOED70 09-21-2010 09:27 PM

Spit is dam hard to land I agree with kav A bit of Rudder left then right as you reach @ 50 knts seems to work best .

SEE 09-22-2010 10:43 AM

It is a bug with BOP, the Spits land perfectly oK in IL1946 with or without flaps and, if the runway is long it will simply come to a stop without brakes. Only time it flips is if the brakes are applied for too long. In BOP, if you hold the stick back it 'flips' but if you leave the stick centred it doesn't - which is nonesense!

Robotic Pope 09-22-2010 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SEE (Post 183605)
It is a bug with BOP, the Spits land perfectly oK in IL1946 with or without flaps and, if the runway is long it will simply come to a stop without brakes. Only time it flips is if the brakes are applied for too long. In BOP, if you hold the stick back it 'flips' but if you leave the stick centred it doesn't - which is nonesense!

Well said angelo. It's nonsense and goes against the laws of physics. In Il-2 1946 the plane rightly tips if you brake to much at too fast a speed. The kinetic energy to tip the plane comes from the forward momentum. Once the forward speed has lowered you can brake harder because the enegy is no longer enough to tip the plane.

In Birds of Prey it is the complete oposite, Crazy. You can brake hard as you like as soon as you land even at high speed without nosing over into a cartwheel. This is like being able to drink a cup of tea while doing an emergence stop in your car without any spillage - Imposible. Then once you should be completely safe at only 30mph with no sudden loss of momentum, the plane gains a mysterious and invisible extra force that tips it up. This is compareable to being thrown though the windscreen of your car after dropping below 30mph to take a corner. Its just wrong physics.

KAV 09-22-2010 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Robotic Pope (Post 183703)
Well said angelo. It's nonsense and goes against the laws of physics. In Il-2 1946 the plane rightly tips if you brake to much at too fast a speed. The kinetic energy to tip the plane comes from the forward momentum. Once the forward speed has lowered you can brake harder because the enegy is no longer enough to tip the plane.

In Birds of Prey it is the complete oposite, Crazy. You can brake hard as you like as soon as you land even at high speed without nosing over into a cartwheel. This is like being able to drink a cup of tea while doing an emergence stop in your car without any spillage - Imposible. Then once you should be completely safe at only 30mph with no sudden loss of momentum, the plane gains a mysterious and invisible extra force that tips it up. This is compareable to being thrown though the windscreen of your car after dropping below 30mph to take a corner. Its just wrong physics.

Well said Pope.
This has to be a bug.
Even when the Spit just rolls from 65 kmph without out any contols touched, it tips over. No brakes, no flaps, no rudder, no throttle no NOTHING.
Just idling straightforward with NO influence, just tips over at 54 kmph :evil:

dkwookie 09-22-2010 06:58 PM

The easiest solution is play in Realistic ;-)

KAV 09-22-2010 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by dkwookie (Post 183753)
The easiest solution is play in Realistic ;-)

Done campain and all single missions in both arcade and realistic. I am now working on all in sim.

scottyvt4 09-22-2010 09:44 PM

im doing the same kav done quite a few missons on sim ............ just cant grasp it online :(


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