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BG-09 03-15-2011 12:12 PM
Killing of a horse by fighter machine gun.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dali (Post 234432)
speaking of "lasers" - you can see on this footage how the impression of "laser beams" depends on the lightng conditions...

I was shooting with almost the same guns from jet aircraft and I know how they shoudl look like...
I am very sure about this:

Look at the video at: from 2:08 sec to 2:09 sec.

The horse falls down pierced by the big caliber bullets.

major_setback 03-15-2011 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by kalimba (Post 234558)
Hi Major,

The "squiggle" effect is a camera issue while shooting the guns...In real life , the tracers are straight as a pen....Many real soldiers have come forward regarding the tracers...You can make a search on this forum and the conclusions were :

In COD:

Very good representation of real life tracers but:

1-They are indeed too much "even" as the right and left guns were mostly asymertric as seen in WW2 guncams

2- They are too "thick" or " fat" and not enough "string-like" for the daytime effect....For night-time, they would be ok as they are now...

3- Squiggling does not appear in real life shooting...It comes from the camera shaking wen the guns fire.

Salute !
Yes, but a squiggle is what you would see in real life, as the plane is jolting around and so are you (as the pilot).

kalimba 03-15-2011 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by major_setback (Post 234569)
Yes, but a squiggle is what you would see in real life, as the plane is jolting around and so are you (as the pilot).
That is what I also tought...Until real pilots wrote on this forum that they did not experienced that effect while firiing guns from their planes... ...And Oleg also stated thet after many reaserch and interviews, WW2 pilots did not see the squiggles...But I will agree with you that maybe a very tiny squiggle f/x could also be correct for WW2 planes since the pilot did not have that much of a "suspension" underneath his seat...SO can we really extrapolate that today's planes weapons recoil have less effect on pilots ? Maybe...
But this is all the info we have here....for now..;)

Salute !

recoilfx 03-15-2011 02:32 PM
Squiggles happen because the gun cam's recorded fps is probably ~24fps. That means shutter time of 41ms. Your eyes have much better reaction time depending on light settings. I can't cite, but I recall that our eyes can detect up to ~200fps. That's right around 5ms.

Greater shutter time = longer squiggles.

Blackdog_kt 03-15-2011 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by major_setback (Post 234569)
Yes, but a squiggle is what you would see in real life, as the plane is jolting around and so are you (as the pilot).
Not really, the human tissue has a lot of damping properties and our eyes auto-adjust by instinct.

You wouldn't believe the shake that was visible when viewing another guy firing a 20mm flak gun, but when i took the seat to fire it felt completely stable. I could feel the movement of the gun but tracers were still straight as an arrow.

peterwoods@supanet.com 03-15-2011 05:32 PM
Apologies to all - mis-spelling, intended to write "bumper".:oops:

Nice to know its the same in the US.

Pete

ATAG_Dutch 03-15-2011 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by recoilfx (Post 234603)
Squiggles happen because the gun cam's recorded fps is probably ~24fps. That means shutter time of 41ms. Your eyes have much better reaction time depending on light settings. I can't cite, but I recall that our eyes can detect up to ~200fps. That's right around 5ms.

Greater shutter time = longer squiggles.
Added to which is the fact that you can neither take screenshots nor make films using an eyeball.

Oh God, it's tracers again.

And I responded.....................:(

Crunchieone 03-15-2011 06:42 PM
Lovin the grass,man :)

kalimba 03-15-2011 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Dutch_851 (Post 234675)
Added to which is the fact that you can neither take screenshots nor make films using an eyeball.

Oh God, it's tracers again.

And I responded.....................:(
Haha! Me too ! And I was the one who ended the subject in the other thread with "final" conclusions!:rolleyes:
You know what ? Well, until something very very exciting and new happens here, we are subject to this kind of " beatin'thedeadHorsekindadiscussion"....;)

Salute !

Insuber 03-15-2011 09:56 PM
From what I hear, a great improvement on Il2 will be the music. The silly marches of Sturmovik are gone!


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