Why do so many people keep asking about coops? I only ask this for the simple fact that I was flying in one only the other day. :D

The feature isn't missing whatsoever.

It is because those folks want it exactly in the limited, easy way as it was in the old IL2.

They want the old limitations and menus, maybe some would be also happy with new menus as long as the old limitations can be implemented.

There will be releasing the patch tomorrow ?

Yeah....and some want the co-op experience to be more convoluted and complex, that way it keeps 70% of the squads still playing 1946 and not getting more involved with COD. I mean...who wants more pilots and sales for COD, right?

Complicated isn't always better....especially with a sim that barely functions as it is.

Update = News

Patch = software patch

I think most of us just expect Update/News tomorrow.

Yes... You are right ... my fault

robtek. Do you have the special abilites to read minds ?:shock:
If not then how do you know what I want or anyone else for that matter ? :rolleyes:
You have obviously not read the postings about this issue very well or maybee just failed to understand them or understand the suggestions & designs that have been submitted:grin:
Other than joining a server after mission launch,which is not what coops are about or re-spawning,rearming etc
the only "limitations" are set in the mission build or host difficulty settings, so not much difference between the old and the new.
The newer options in MB such as scripting will open coop missions to more variables dependant on the builder of course.:cool:
Without 41 sqn Banks`s workaround Coops dont work at all in any way the people who use or build coop missions want or can get their head around.We are customers too and plenty have voiced this request for it to get some attention.
Read Force 10`s post as he hit the nail on the head.I know many who have Clod & have shelved it till the patches are done & they check the forum pages regular but dont post,others have not bought it yet .
The feedback I get on hyperlobby and TS is if the Coop Multi-play is not looked into and many old hands will not be buying any further sequels and these are people who have been with the iL2 series since it was released and they only fly Coops online.Case of once bitten twice shy.
Once people drift away into other activities it will be hard to get them back.
What impact that will have on sales is hard to say but I would not like to see the game narrow its client base for the sake of a litttle forsight.

I guarantee robtek doesn't care about anything you have mentioned. He just see's it as criticizing COD, and we can't have any suggestions that would make COD co-ops more accesible for squads. It should be possible to keep the complex options but make the UI more user friendly, but perhaps robtek realizes the coding skill needed to do this just doesn't exist at 1C. Not sure....

"The way we see it, CoD already has Il-2-style co-op. "
Luthier could give that answer only if he was misinformed by someone and never tried to fly coop himself. As you personally know coop is not working in CloD. "CoD already has Il-2-style co-op" is 100% wrong as explained in the bugtracker issue and in bugreports section of sukhoi.ru (that took some community effort). It was explained about 9+ months ago and if Luthier still thinks coop works this means someone misinforms him or he ignores facts on purpose.

This is the #1 feature wanted by customers. Not one of many features, but the most voted feature.

If a company does not listen to customers it is doomed to extinction. No point to post on forums or manage the bugtracker if you do not listen. First forum becomes empty, then sequel is out with wrong/not wanted features, then sales drop to zero, then studio closes. Happens every day.

Why BlackSix "participates" more and gives more info in the sukhoi.ru forum than here, the 1C official forums??? (Please, don´t say "language barrier")

well, we are only useless westerners good for paying double price for smoke funding their actual product aimed at another market. Easy target we are.

Or maybe its because of nonsense like that....

What is the current interpretation of the last oracle of Delphi sentence, re. "you don't know our inner situation?"

Ins

BlacKSix how is it going the internal beta testing of the patch?

How about some clouds? ;)

We need a lot more than clouds.

We need the thing to work in it's entirety to get people to come back.

No one I know is flying CloD anymore.

Most are hoping that DCS can somehow magically come up with a fully finished WW2 sim, which is lunacy on the face of it, but they think that is more likely than CloD ever being finished.

The next patch need to be a complete game winner, or the sim is done.

Sadly, I agree with you EL. I'm absolutely fine with the dreaded delays and all that Jazz as long as the work actually remains on the project.

All we can do is wait and see I guess.

I agree, if the stability, and fps issues aren't fixed soon there is no point in releasing any Sequel or MMO that has the same problems.

Dunno about you guys, but I just bought Il-2 1946 for $10 after hearing about it for years but never playing it.

...Properly modded and configured, it still looks great, (sometimes actually comparable to CloD) has seriously over a hundred *flyable* aircraft, all properly modeled and what not, and a LOT of people still play it, mod it, make maps/missions for it, support it.

Hell I was playing at 1am PST with a bunch of people last night, that's unheard of in CloD. We were dogfighting then hobbling back to our carriers for sketchy landings...did you read that? CARRIERS! Arresting hooks, folding wings, the whole bit.

I know I'm late to the 1946 party, but it's doing a great job at tiding me over until the smell of 100 octane fuel wafts past my Spitfire cockpit.

Phobos's new video... just stunning. The GlowingAmraam of Il2, in conjunction with a fantastic desert mod. Fantastic!

I heard some talk about a desert mod. Is there a linky?

My interpretation is that Black Six is too polite and was telling the guy that he didn't know what he was talking about.

Doesn't every culture have a similar Phrase about talking out of your rear end?

http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/showthrea...=1#post1832974
http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/showthrea...=1#post1833139
Some screens.

Thanks! So it's a sort of reskin of the channel map. Interesting!

http://ihavejustbeenpaid.info/upload/158/smiler.gif


'We have released 'The Patch'' - 50/1

'Look, it's just not gonna happen.' - 100/1

Tumbleweed floats across the screen - 50/1

'We've made progress but a minor problem with decals we've had for 6 months is still bugging us' - Evens.

'We think we've got it, but we're going to do some more internal beta testing early next week' - 5/1 on.

Any takers?

And they're off!!

Oi!! You pinched that off me, you tea-leaf you. :lol:

http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.co...2081#post12081

:lol: talk about being caught red handed!

Yikes, Dutch! I suspect you got nipped by A Great White Shark!!!! :shock:

D'ya know, that's the first thing I thought too! :lol:

Its delayed as they unfortunately found out no one of the testing folks was running DX9 on their computers .. :grin::grin:

Hehe.......that old DX9 gremlin is certainly becoming a pain in the rear!:rolleyes:

V@s'OK plans to place the skins of the videos for download on sukhoi.ru, I will place a link here. More skins by this author, you can download it here:

http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/showthrea...=1#post1762698
http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/showthrea...=1#post1765262
http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/showthrea...=1#post1766012
http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/showthrea...=1#post1766110

I wish that people abstain from putting the blame of this misery to the Greeks :(

This is too much. They already have enough blame as it is....


ROFL!
:D




~S~

Skins from video North Africa
http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/showthrea...=1#post1864656

Download

But tonight Italy avenged Greece, his sister PIIGS ... :-D

Maybe patch today :)

Crappy google translation or interesting tease... you decide :)

Damn DX9 again! I bet if they try to make it DX9 compatible, they'll stuff up the Dx10-11 stuff !

I mean, how far back compatible do you need to go? 8088?

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New about scripting, very important things!
http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/showthrea...=1#post1865437

If i'm reading this correctly, there are now methods to detect destroyed buildings? So we don't have to "hide" units inside them and make them targets, but we can target the building itself?

If this is true and if the bombers are fixed (the Ju88 now has a working gyrocompass, maybe they also fixed the bombsights but i don't have time to test it tonight), then we can start having real bomber objectives in missions. Very nice ;)

Yes.
And localization system ingame

Hi BlackSix,

Do the programmers have any particular request for us beta testers?

Cheers,
Ins

B6 anything for this Friday to tell us :)

Sounds like he is waiting for the update from the top, this is from today:

Sukhoi.ru is up. In the past, after the fall of the forum out patch. :)

GREAT!! any news? :grin:

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Probably is dependent on the quality of internet connection from Paraguay, so in short, I wouldn't bet on it.

We use a carrier pigeons here, in Paraguay.
And now I'm trying to upload some screens with their help...
It's a very long-term process...
What did somebody tell about Saturday in the next thread?

:grin:

lol !!!!!!!!!!!!

Nice one BlackSix.

And thanks for taking it in the spirit of humour in which it was intended. ;)

Great to hear from you Blacksix!

And your sense of humor remains intact. :)

Septic.

Far be it from me that I point to the calendar and count that we are now 3 weeks into July and entering the fourth week. We would love an update.

:grin:

Does anyone else think Blacksix's avatar is very apt at the moment?

http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/2056/nazgul80.jpg
By furbs9999 at 2012-07-20

Was going to suggest a more neutral one for him.

Is Sukhoi.ru down for anyone else? I haven't been able to get on for the last week or so. Someone said it was up, but I still get a weird PHP error every time I visit.

I just went to the Sukhoi site.I do not understand a word but it loaded fine with no errors.

so no patch today
damn...

LMFAO, Classic.

told you it was fishy from friday.. most probably, we won't see it until the end of this week neither.. this is getting ridiculous!

Will we all die if there is NO patch ?? :rolleyes:

Patch or no patch we will certainly all die.

Though I doubt the two are related in any way, shape or form! And think it highly unlikely that it will occur simultaneously :)

I personally would rather have a late patch that has good fixes, instead of a rushed patch that just adds more bugs. At least they are still supporting this sim, unlike another non-aviation simulator that I play that I will not name that has been abandoned in an atrocious state!

Just my 2 cents

It was like 2 week ago when black six posted that

if they do that, they will crucified himself, nobody gonna buy another game of this companny, and personally Im tired of waiting, my jostick have 1 year without use, and I was hoping this sim would be great but no....

No problem, B6. Get well soon, we shall wait für the patch because we all know that it will be an awesome piece of software :)

I think B6 said they were testing it today, then if "all goes as planned" we'd see it tomorrow. Buuuut going by the devs track record I'm going to say we won't see it until this friday/saturday at the earliest.

I'm realling itching for a final release of a new patch. I'm still flying the last release patch version from October. Can't wait to get back online!

http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/showthrea...=1#post1873595

Lol !
Best way to be not disappointed is to expect nothing...

promises only bind those who believe in them...

*sigh* I kinda thought this was quite legit.... I quess it was, as legit as all of the other promises from 1C...Not so much...

We should have clued-in by now. Building new code and fixing code is not an exact science. There is no such thing as exact time tables or promises. The devs give us estimates and we somehow construe them to be promises. The years of waiting is frustrating, as we paid for a relatively finished sim we don't have yet, but the devs want it completed just as badly as we do, probably much more. Their jobs depend on fixing the game engine. Our rants aren't going to make it happen any sooner, or tell the devs something they don't already know.

Being told on Friday that "we’d like to keep it in for Monday" has more of the ring of an exact sience than an estimate to me.... maybe i'm the only one who thinks so tho:)

"keep it in for Monday just in case something else comes up" suggest to me that they will be testing on Monday and releasing later if it works, or later yet if it doesn't. Nothing exact about it. It could have many interpretations.

Aye, but here we are againb.... the old "something else" has obviously come up.....SURPRISE!! ;)

Personally, "keep it in for Monday just in case something else comes up" means theyv been testing it from friday up till today and are gonna release it if nothing comes up.


Not that its going to happen or anything, just saying. ;)

What do you mean if something else come up? We already know that the next patch the will not fully fix the game, so isn't it obvious some other problems already exists?

I never said it, it was a quote, lol. The devs are talking about any major problems the new patch creates like the Tree LOD's, and your right the patch wasn't designed to fix everything. Does everything have to be spelled out for people? I feel sorry for the devs, it doesn't matter what they say it will be misconstrued in a hundred different ways.

Pretty sure we're supposed to keep discussion out of this thread.

IC has perfected the art of falling short of expectations. Just when you think they have exhausted every way to disappoint, they find a way. Way to go Team Luthier.

Cliffs of dover is the best.:!:

Is the best what?

Best flight sim. ;)

could be the best but after a ton of work, now is not a game, is a half of a game

best false horizon

Look guys ...IL2 has ALWAYS missed deadlines.The old saying "Two weeks , be sure" didnt gain notoriety due to Oleg's regular meeting of deadlines.They obviously released it way too early .I guess if you try not get too excited on Fridays /patch 'release' days it will be better for blood pressure!Its the only show in town as far as future WW2 flight sims are concerned .Meanwhile Im enjoying IL2 1946 with mods...

Bingo!

http://il2indignant.myqip.ru/

Special forum for disgruntled game. You may report their comments and express their opinions about the game. We are waiting for the trolls and Haters. Forum has an English section. This forum-joke. :)
Praise the game is strictly forbidden!

Registration is very easy

I went to complain... not.. but got sidetracted by this great link on your forum :) Who can hate hot women coming out of the water???

http://news.rambler.ru/14743340/?utm..._campaign=main

http://i48.tinypic.com/etfqlf.jpg

LOL, this image is so funny!

The game is not perfect, but we love it. It's better using the effort in il2bugtracker IMHO...

I can't speak Russian but I think the comment was "Check out the IL2's on that babe!"

Hi B6, will you be having something to show us for today:)

We have no news today. Please continue to test the patch, it's very important now.

It's actually the first Friday where I do not care to have an update. I am having a ton of fun. :)

Yes, it was a good patch! B6, please review FMs though. This thread promoting Spit 1 as a better alternative to 1a and 2a says it all: http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=33772. But please don't nerf the spit 1! It is under speed already.

That's so true mate. Just received my new X52 Pro. It's awesome. The old one was ok but was wearing out. Just having a ball on ATAG. Hope more people fly though.
Can't wait till they put the proper patch out and not just the Betas.

I've a suspicion, and it's no more than a suspicion, that the next retail patch might be the last for Cliffs before they release the sequel. I just can't figure out whether that's a good thing or not though.


Septic.

I reckon you might be right mate.

No news are good news ! We will continue testing, master ! This sim is so awesome :)

aaa.. cough! cough!

what about fixing the clouds now, and getting them back to the state they were at launch at least (shadows, reflected on water, high altitude cloud layer, etc).. please?