I understand your sentiment, and would agree if Maddox Games was a local tyre shop doing crap work.

However, they are the only company attempting to create a WWII simulation. The ONLY ONE that is trying to cater for my wants in a simulation. They have failed thus far, but only just, CloD and any sequel has potential, that can't be denied. They deserve support simply because they are the ONLY ONE.. crazy as it is!

Fair enough and thanks for the update team.

People seem to be forgetting some things here.

1) We have already been informed that the team are working on a 'release candidate' beta patch to be tested prior to an official retail update patch release.

Why not save the criticisms until then? If the official update patch to come corrects a good deal of the current complaints, then the sim will have had a level of support.

2) The current beta patch is just that. A beta patch. V1.05 is still there to be rolled back to if you like.

Give the guys a chance to put things right in this 'final' patch, is all I'm saying.

Thank you Sir I'm waiting and still playing in the mean time those who uninstall and come back later I will be your nemeses.

"The general plan is, after the milestone is submitted and accepted, we return to the now almost-final patch, cram as much as we can into it, and make it our final Cliffs of Dover patch. The next time it will be updated is when you install the sequel over it."

Well not totally true. By *try* there are others like War Thunder (although they have simulation settings is still arcade), and DCS P51 (awesome, awesome, full simulation), but it will take a long time finish an axis rival in the same detail.

But I agree with you. CLoD has the potential, but beyond the engine, I really think the dev team is not up to the task. Sad to say, but I dont think they know what to do.

Riding the coatails of IL2 46' helped, but it is very apparant they cant deliver the goods anymore.

Maybe one day we will get a great looking and playing WWII sim, but I just dont see it coming from 1C.

+++

You are correct with this mindset. I will do this.

At the same time, look at the history of the beta patches, and understand why someone might be expecting the same under-delivered "fixes", that have been churned out in the past few months.

Oh I know. Believe me I know exactly what you mean. ;)

Thanks for the news :)

I'm optimistic that I'll buy whatever came I'll buy sequels in collector edition if possible.

he said one patch and a sequel. that's good to know I need eastern front i'm not into BoB indeed kk

besides, i understood that one patch and there won't be enough time to make another patch cause the sequel will be almost releasing so why not bother with Clod! fine its fair.
I don't give a shit how much I paid for Clod and its condition I want this sim to be success. I'll support what I can buying all 1c il2 series. cause there is no better choice in the market !!!

I think that should be 'if' rather than 'when'.

I certainly won't be pre-ordering the sequel.

Its very good news to hear, that COD will continue to be improved thru the merging of Sequels. The funny thing is people who complain about having to buy a Sequel to improve COD would probably have bought the Sequel anyway. I fully understand being pissed off about the beta release of COD, but your monies help make it possible that COD can be fixed and new theaters added. BUT that depends on the development fixing and optimizing the game engine and features for the release of the Sequel.

I was very concerned that the development would run out of capital and we would never see COD fixed. The next COD patch should make some improvement, but the fact it will be merged with the Sequel will make a huge improvement in new features, and fixes to the AI, Commands, FM, DM, FMB, GUI, Animations etc etc. These fixes will allow the community and third parties to build far more historic missions and campaigns. The future could be very bright for COD and all the Sequels, if the development manages to fix the new game engine.

People MUST remember that the Sequels are just new maps and missions. Most work and improvements to the game engine and its features apply to ALL theaters including the English Channel map.

Good news Luthier because telling the truth is the best policy.

I'm confused. :confused: You talk as if you are the head of the development team, not luthier.

Chivas, you are correct, people would have bought the sequal, however we/they have been burnt once so will now either wait for good reviews before buying or cut their losses and move onto something differant.

I think what will hurt though is the lack of coop content as most squads prefer this form to going onto D/F servers (I know ATAG and others have a work around but thats not the point is it?), especially those with no interest in the Eastern Front

Yes, when is the real question. It is my opinion end of the year 2012 but maybe 2013?

Luthier , Я за вас , Я буду ждать

You neglected to quote my suggestion that people will only buy the Sequel if the game engine is fixed.

You don't have to part of the development team to point out the obvious. The theaters are just maps, all of them using the same game engine and features. Any improvements to the game engine and features should apply to ALL maps.

The development has already said the Sequels "alpha" won't be done until 2013, so it will be quite sometime before we see the Sequel. Hopefully the COD's next patch will be good enough to enjoy until more improvements come with the Sequel. Since its going to be a long time before the Sequels release, I can see some features being tested with beta patches for COD.

Sorry, I thought that was a cert

lol, Chivas you have missed the obvious with this game for the last 30 months!! You kept telling us how good it would be, and then you kept telling us how they would fix it... the simple truth is we pointed out the obvious it was you who couldn't see it. :grin:

Again you missed the obvious, my posts expressed optimism for a finished product, you will have to wait until the product is finished to evaluate my optimism.

Good news for 3 reasons:
1 another patch for CloD,
2 we get a sequel,
3 and this will be merged with CloD, so will get all the new stuff from sequel.

Thanks

So what part of Luither saying ('pointing out') i.e.

Did you not understand ('see') ?

sorry you lost me completley???? what are you on about?

Ah so your having trouble 'seeing'..

Got it!

I looked forward to Clod when purchasing 1946 & looking at the preview disc for Clod.

Yes, I was disapointed with it, but that was due to my system specs - thought I had something was would cover the minimum specs. However upgrading to Window 7 (64 bit) has meant I can fly over London on medium settings without it now freezing.

Now it doesn't freeze I can shoot down planes to my hearts content, so I'm now happy.

I'm sure that once I've upgraded my RAM, once it comes down to a sensible price & also upgraded my graphics card, then I cn run it on the higher settings, but in the meantime, as mentioned before, I'm happy.

My only problem is that there aren't any Windows 7 driver for my Saitek Cyborg 3D Gold joystick that has served me well over the years & has plenty more life in it yet.

With respect, I no longer have enthusiasm or confidence in any announcement about content or SDK's. I'm afraid it's a case of being let down far too often with previously undelivered promises.

Meh... they should charge monthly subscription to this forum rather than paying for the game. They'll make a killing!

Tree and Ace-of-Aces posts should only be available to premium subscribers.

It takes a very special sort of business man to accept full retail payment for a product that he knows does not meet the minimum standards of quality, then tell those customers, "I'm not happy, but I have to move on". If you can get away with it, more power to you luthier.

Did they give some answers in the meantime?
Can't find them, didn't they say this evening?

I think you might be jumping to conclusions.

He said:
1. They have to reach one milestone first (getting the game stable).
2. Release the Final Patch
3. Release Battle of Moscow to install and merge with CoD.

The reaching of the 'milestone' itself might require further patches.
This is how I read the update.

I think the 'Next time it will be updated...' refers to the next time we install something AFTER the milestone has been reached (not the next time we install).

I think their policy is wrong, work on the sequel and not finish Cliffs of Dover is a mistake, I don´t have more confidence in your products, to buy their, who assures me that the sequel will work 100%

I don't usually say much, but, how can you release a "Sequel" to a game that has not been corrected or finnished in a stable condition?.....that is just adding problems onto problems with no solutions in site.........:(.........

+1 will never ever buy from this developer (developer thats a joke) again.

Their policy is the only one available to them. Not working on the Sequel now would be fatal to the development. The development knows full well they will live or die depending on sales of the Sequel, and very few will buy it unless they know there are MAJOR improvements.

If that were true they would release the Sequel now with all the game engines faults. This is one of the reasons the Sequel will be a year or two away to give them time to fix these faults, not just to make the maps, missions, and aircraft.

The real problem here is that there is no competition... at all.

We need competition for CoD so these guys can get off their backsides and give us what we paid for!

agree with that

clod was a beta and a money maker for their eastern front. but its still the best out there, which sucks.

sorry uther did i say something wrong? i see you edited my post already, but havent actually changed anything? :confused:

No, no we won't. Most developers won't put themselves in that situation, and the only one I know of who has, TK (Strike Fighters was rushed by Wal-Mart in 2002), has corrected the major problems in his sim. When Pacific Fighters was released the devs missed a few obvious things, but they were actually fixed - within 2 months. When Theater of War came out the only heads which turned were doing so because it was incomplete. They completed it and gave a massive patch for free.

Nothing about what you developers has done indicates that you ever intended to finish this. I'm glad I bought the DEMO on bargain. When you release your next demo, Battle of Moscow, I'll be passing it up.

You guys disappoint me. You overspent on graphics, inserted little game play, and completely failed to use the potential something like the Battle of Britain had to sell. As of now, Battle of Britain 2 is still better.

I hope you care about your customers as much as you say you do, because we have real concerns about your approach and it's failures.

So well brought to the point. And I wonder - while most of you express much better what I could not put in English - that some still want to buy the sequel as if this is an addiction you cannot control: I learned my lesson having bought the collector´s box of CLOD although (!) I read about the problems beforehand - at that time trusting in a continuous support.

+1

At least we agree on some things.

My sentiments, exactly. BoB2 ist still the better BoB sim and is still supported by knowledgeable enthusiasts.

I don't care about a Su26, the Messerschmitt-Mädchen or the X-Wing to be inserted. I waited years and wanted a solid, state of the art BoB sim and paid my good money for the collectors edition.

Finally I'm out. Tschüss 1C ich bin draußen...

Not sure if I'll have to go as far as waiting for reviews. There were tell tale signs before the release that indicated an incomplete game. Luthier's "Drop a Bomb on Me" video of him flying a 110 over water should have been an indicator, lack of improved engine sounds, no skirmishes but a few highly polished movies are another. If the development process follows the same path so close to the release of the sequel I think we can safely say that the sequel won't be up to standards. On the other hand if we do see honest* representations of developemnt with honest improvement I'll buy. It may seem like a long shot to some but I'll take the risk if I see good updates and progress.

*I'm not trying to indicate dishonesty on the teams' behalf, but there were clues that had me sctratching my head, and I know there were others who looked at late development with askewed glances of disbelief.

Personally, I'd like a RATA over the snows of the eastern front. ;)

Good luck crew. I'm sure you're aware of the thin ice on which you stand. You have the time to make something we all hope to have on our hard drives.

If he doesn`t turn up and answer the questions you`ll have all the info you need about the sincerity of the team. They knew it was a disaster area on release, yet they still dropped it on 1000s of loyal IL2 fans, sad thing is unless DCS has a mad influx of people developing WW2 aircraft off their own backs we`re stuck with this as the Gaijin effort was removed from my SSD after the first 10 mins on it. I wish 1C all the best and maybe one day this will be a success as per IL2, but I seriously doubt it given their inability to address the problems that have beset this release from day 1 and before.

This will happend
 

In 10 years or so il2-cliffs of dover ends up like a "mod" where talented hobbyists and programmers have fixed the game, making it run smooth, with dynamic campaign and flawless multiplayer.
Similiar what happened to Falcon 4.0 wich was released in 1998 and in 2011 became Falcon BMS.

See you in 10 years!

COD highlights the one biggest flaw with PC gaming. A console developer never would've been able to release a product in the state we received this.Its sad but if you love PC gaming this kind of thing is just a fact of life.

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This will be the only thing you will see flying over the " Virtual Russia " based on their past business conduct after releasing Clod.
:rolleyes:

Is this serious? Support? Where was it? All I got was improved engine sounds (not bad, to be fair), new tracers and some CTRL-C; CTRL-V plane versions (with totally messed-up FMs). I wouldn't call that support. Support is defined as straightening out, and probably bring in minor new stuff into, a finished game.

As for the less-than-stellar profits on CoD: Do you really, really not understand why? Really?
Many gaming magazines even refused to test CoD due to its alpha state and postponed it to a later time. And because nothing improved in CoD, that later time never came. Not a good advertisement for the product, don't you think?
A blind man can see that such a sorry game won't attract many buyers. I firmly believe the game could've gotten its "second wind", were all of its issues fixed, but now, that opportunity is gone... again.

And to declare the next patch the "final patch" is the last brick in the 'fail building'. Everyone and their grandparents knows that this patch will do nothing, as all those before. So, those who urge to wait for the patch before starting another round of complaints: Why not just start now?

I just hope that you can survive on the 500-or-so copies that BoM will sell, to the die-hard fans and to the unwitting (which should be rare, since they need to have CoD first)...

P.S.: What's the matter with all that talk about an MMO? Was this ever mentioned somewhere? AFAIR, it was just an idea thrown in by someone for that "big thing that no one else has" - and it swirls around for many months now. Which is almost as baffling as CoD itself, given that those speculations about an MMO mostly come from the die-hards :confused:

P.P.S.:I just can't fix the ATI-bug on 1946, otherwise, I wouldn't have bothered for so long :(

lol.

Please answer this question - What on earth are you going to do if you release a patch crammed full of so called fixes and it creates other bugs like most of the other patches you released? Remember you have been using use as beta testers because you don't seem to have had the time to test these things yourselves. Can I suggest that maybe you get the rest of the team together this time round and test the patch yourselves before you release it to use? I mean, it cannot be a beta patch if it's the last patch for COD.

They are called beta patches for a reason... :idea: :rolleyes:

We are called customers for a reason as well....:rolleyes: and we see how that turned out.

Lach ruhig. Viel Spaß noch.

BTW - i think it's very unfair how we have to buy the next game to get a fix for the game we already bought, but I am sure some others have mentioned this already and like them I won't buy into that.

I am gob smacked. We paid to alpha test your game and we have to pay again for the next update! Omg. You won't mug me off again. Good luck with it. Your gona need it. You have now killed, totally killed your customer base. I will now be demanding my money back.

What I am curious about , he stated after the next milestone(sequel) is submitted and accepted, then they would come back to finish the patch for CLOD.
I wonder how long we are talking here?

What on earth are you on about? If it's the last patch for COD how can it be a beta? It has to be the last official patch for COD alone.

Well probably another 18 months or so.

call me a sychophantic fanboy if you like but I think the 'milestone' is an internal development target and not something that concerns the wider public.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-g1KTBwTWF1...00/derpdog.jpg

There will be another beta test before release...

I really do not understand how this project is managed : as it is confessed, few of them were working on Cliffs last months but till the last beta patch they regain some customers who would certainly jump in buying the sequel if.... they do not hear : "Sorry guys, we messed the job... ahem... please do not forget to buy the sequel in two or three years..." but "Sorry, we messed the job but we do not let you down, we keep one or two devs on part time work to fix the most crying bugs till the sequel is out".
Incredible to give up that after 18 months of investment and it is starting to pay NOW !
Hope you get the feeling, english is not my natural language.

Every point you make is valid and accurate. However, the only real way any change will be affected is if there was a competing product.At this point in time there is no other option for the paying customer to support.

come on krupi mate, the whole of clod has been a beta test for the russain front, why do you think they did bob first instead of the other way around?

to fund it. thats why.

fact is, id pay for a modern 1946, with all the theatres and aircraft. id just wish theyd admit it. this version of the game was a money making beta. nothing more. the money has to come from somewhere.

Its going to take alot of time and effort and money to get to the stage 1946 got to. that money comes from us with each release of this series,
I will buy each release of this series. because it will get better time after time. I just wish they hadnt started with BOB. by the time the game does get better and more playable for the 1946 crowd, the later era ww2 planes will be more popular to play (ie p51, fw190) and the BOB era will be forgotton. just like 1946, thats the main thing that annoys me the most. :(

Look at the ' milestone' as a payment schedule. If 1C were to miss this target date or the work does not meet the quality standards, no payment is made to 1C. They than need to tap their line of credit to pay their employees, assuming they have acess to a line of credit.

we are called Beta testers, your a customer if you purchase the mythical sequel. I move to rename Cliffs of Dover, the new Forgotten Battle.

These days "THE CUSTOMER" does not mean crap to company's or corporations. It is all about the almighty investors, sad days man, sad days. :shock:

Sadly that's what it looks like :(, but I have logged over 500 hours in the game so I must enjoy it warts and all :D

C'mon Tree :) It's simply impossible that you work in the private sector of what the rest of us call "the economy"? Basically it's about the fact that if your company does not make a profit it gets shut down... Fast.

So - who would put up the money to have the team working on patching a product for 18 months that unfortunately must have been a financial fiasco? 1C? Ubisoft? Just get over it, CloD was a failure - both financially and technically. End of story. Now they have actually spent too much time trying to get it right as they are naturally embarrassed that some bean counter forced them to release it while the engineers with Oleg at the helm most certainly wanted to do a second (or third) restart of the project with a new engine... Which was naturally impossible after that last managed code experiment that failed...

A pillar of the market economy is that you don't throw good money after bad. The only reason we have gotten patches the last 18 months is that Ilya and "the new" team convinced someone with money that they could do a sequel based on the failed project to get some money back from that seven year investment. The financier probably realized that even if a sequel was successful, they would never get all the money back for the previous seven years. As they don't live in Northern Korea they know the meaning of "sunk costs" and agreed to finance the development of a sequel anyway, as the costs to have the team running another 2.5 years would be smaller than the expected revenue from the sequel (keeping in mind that they did not start from zero). Ilya probably had to get a new suit for these meetings and certainly got some milestones set that they had to deliver along the project time line or the money tap would get shut down at any point...

I really would like the CloD we all dreamed of, but we have to to accept the fact that it will not happen. Every hour spent patching CloD that does not benefit the sequel increases the risk that MG will have to pick down the sign next year (or this year if they don't show good progress). That sequel has to get decent reviews at least and sell a couple of hundred thousand copies. That's the only way we will ever see a FW 190 in the future in this engine...

And no, the argument that they have to fix CloD or no one will buy the sequel is naturally bull. If the sequel hits the market next fall and gets reviews in the > 80% range every single one of the customers that bought CloD will buy it as we there are only 1-2 decent simulators released every year. We are not that many anyway - so it's the ones that did NOT buy CloD that they need to get green figures at the bottom line ;)

EDIT: The ones we have a right to be pissed at are the publishers 1C/(Ubisoft) - that actually released the game to the market in the state it was, I don't hold MG responsible for that bad decision at all... But - if it was that or nothing I must say that I've had quite some fun with CloD anyway that definitely makes up for my $39.

What I don't understand is this. If the Sequel has the power to 'update/fix' clod in the future then why can't those fixes still be available as 'stand alone' patches? ie without the BoM maps missions and planes ? Then we can decide whether we want the sequel or not.

I don't especially want to fight on the russian front.

I guess this doesn't fit the business plan.....

+1000
and the thing that annoys me the most is that money makes the world go around.

very good news, keep up your great work, luthier, b6 and team

Thanks for the update Luthier
 

The positives.

1. Working hard on delivering a stable, working milestone for the sequel
2. We then return to now almost-final patch, cram as much as we can into it and make it our final COD patch
3. The next time it will be updated is when you install 'the sequel' over it.
4. Q&A. Will there be a complete readme - Yes!
5. The SDK's we really want to release - at least the map making SDK's

Just a few of questions

1. Would you release an SDK for new aircraft making by third parties in the future
2. Will you keep the COD map scenario alive by releasing new flyable and AI aircraft e.g. Spitfire V, Typhoon, Fw190, Lancaster, Dornier 217 etc in the sequels
3. Will you release more working functions in the sequel FMB

DFLion

dont get me wrong i am drooling like a rabid dog to fly those planes. but what i wanted and what i paid for is the bob.

+1

There is no reason they cannot do that. The only reason to do it the other way is to extract more cash unethically like bait and switch. Perhaps they will have a change of heart.

The COD map and aircraft will be in the Sequel. So any aircraft you find historical or otherwise in the Sequel or subsequent Sequels should be available for use by on the COD map. They probably won't be making any missions or campaigns for the COD map, but you can make them yourself, or download a ton of user made mission once things start rolling. I'm also hoping they will fix and add features to the FMB, and see no reason that wouldn't happen at somepoint. It will be interesting to see Luthier's anwsers to yours and other questions.

Thanks Luther, I always expected BOM would overlay CLOD, like most, pity no more CLOD aircraft though! :( hopefully DSK will allow more development.

You give the impression that SLI is already up and running in CLOD ??? I hope I've misread that as I cannot see any 2nd GPU card activation.

CLOD is still a great BETA, I don't Know any other WWII air sim with the quality models like these.

And yes it is very strange that CLOD was not a good seller compared to the success of IL2 ?? I think it was just timing and quality control.

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Thanks for the heads up. Good to see that we get a final patch and further support thru the sequel. Me buying that sequel at release at full price will depend on two factors. 1: Did the final patch fix the most glaring problems. 2: Is the sequel a fixed product or another work in progress. All the stuff surrounding the release and slow progress of CloD has fixed me of my Il2 addiction. I can and will wait untill the sequel is in the the bargain bin if it's another bug ridden disaster. Release it when it's ready or I'll treat the sequal as a patch for CloD and pay accordingly. Keeping my fingers crossed and hoping the patch and sequel give me reasons to get addicted again!

That's a very optimistic view, mazex. You may be right that they were pushed to release CoD early after a long time of development. But I don't think the developers were in any way pushed to release the do-nothing-"patches" they released over the past 18 months, leaving us basically in the same state as per the release.

And the thing that many people buy BOM regardless, is pretty optimistic, too. I think, by now, after so much crookery and blatant lies, many users have made it a matter of principle NOT to buy BOM (as did I), preferring to stick with 1946 or so rather than to let that shabby scheme succeed (*).
Plus, many gaming magazines probably will think similarly, and will consider the utter failure when testing the sequel, so even IF the addon is somewhat 'good' (which I don't believe for a second...), high ratings for it will be next to impossible - game tests in magazines are there to inform about quality and to save people from rip-offs, after all.


(*) It may be true that companies' power is great these days, but if that doesn't spark some sort of 'grass-roots' boycott, then I don't know what does...

Was it really worth it ?
 

Just hooked back in after quite a long break to find the latest news from 1C.

Deep down I guess I realised ages ago that we were all being spun a line although, like you all, I hoped that we would at least end up with a reasonably solid product after our investment in both money and time. Sadly and predicatably, it wasn't to be. 1C are cutting their losses and hoping we will all buy the upgrade to fix what is now very, very clearly, a sub-standard product.

I feel sorry for everyone here. Reading back through the masses of posts over the last 12 months or so you get the feeling that this was probably always going to happen.

I wish 1C the very best of luck for the future. I'm sure their heart is in teh right place and the developers have had a real issues trying to balance the excessive maintenance needs of COD against teh development requirements for the new product.

Having said that, I have learned my lesson well. I won't be going for the new sim. I suspect it will suffer from a lot of teh same issues until they decide to follow the same exit strategy and release yet another sim. You can all see where this is going to end. For me, it's like a game of poker and you need to know when to fold.

I've folded and won't be hanging on for the carrot of a new sim. I wish you all well, and really hope that 1C do live up to their promises however, based on their track record, I'm not holding my breath.

I suspect that the orders for the new system will be greatly down and 1C will be forced in to the position of offering a significant discount to get everyone back on board. I hope that they do and I hope you all benefit from it.

Hope to see some of you again, flyinga sim that really works and one that we can really all enjoy out-of-the-box. I'm sure other manufacturers will be looking across and I suspect that some will see the potential niche and go for it. I'll certainly be looking out for something new but, having been so badly burned by 1C, will just wait and see what the initial purchasers feedback says before I part with any gard-earned cash.

Bye all and good luck to those that devide to stay with 1C.

Ed-B over and out.

I like the 1C style I must say. Is it the Russian way? Tell the children you will get them a toy, if they give you some money. But you can't find, so you throw a broken toy to the children, at least it gives them something to play with. When they complain it is broken with four wheels, fix one. When they still complain tell them you will fix one more wheel, then kaput, no more! Your toy is wasting Daddy's important time, he has bigger things to worry about. Then tell them you will give them a new toy in two years, so they should start saving more pennies.. But they still have questions so you say, write your questions down children, Daddy will answer them tonight. Then you don't come back at all. Hahahaha pass the vodka!

We've seen these Q&A things before. They are usually about as revealing as a Taliban swimsuit calendar.

And could you agree that Clod was released in far more unfinished state than perhaps any other title? A rip-off, pure and simple, screw your sequels.

;) Lol

What i like most are the delays for everything, even the promised answers in the evening are still not here, or don't i just see them?

Yea I agree with you that some people clogged the thread with complaints, making the questions hard to find...if I were Luthier I wouldn't try to find the questions either.

Does he really need to in this thread. Same questions have been said, time and time again. He should know them off by heart :)

Nope. I understand the business situation but this is the world upside down.

CoD was delivered prematurely, horribly bugged and in a poor state overall. You have sold a broken toy to us and had to mend it in order to keep some credibility. If you hadn't you would have been out of business.

For me CoD is a great game, but I will not buy the sequel unless reviews on the different sites call it a good product.

Not falling for this a second time.

so long Ed:-P i think people with your attitude will not be missed.. so promised you stay away?

Nothing new here. We were asked to post questions for Ilya, and he posted in his "update" that he would be back tonight to answer the questions posed to him. Result = he's not back, no answers to questions, more broken promises. :( To be quite frank, I've given up believing anything he states in his announcements/reports.

looking at your pc spec list in your sig, is it really so heart wrenching to pay another 20$ for BoM later on so you later can get some further improvements for the BoB theater ? it obviously wasnt a deliberate cunning plan to release CoD unfinished, it was the forced premature birth of a very visionary advanced flight simulator that will take our old il2 dreams to a completely new level. the only other alternative would have been to close down the whole project and release NOTHING !! (there are some people here in this forum with a low attention spans and a failure to comprehend more complex concepts, and they seem to think there was some magic 3e option of receiving a perfect and completed sim in mid 2011)

was it frustrating to have to wait another 18 months and in the meanwhile just have some "beta product" to toy around with ? yeps ! but nope, i aint traumatized by it. meanwhile the globe keeps spinning, the shysters that caused the 2008 financial crash are still laughing all the way to the bank that they got away with plundering our coffers (and succeeded in killing off the american empire in the same process), the ice cap keeps melting further and is now expected to be completely gone in summer by 2022, and hoards of illegal economic migrants are still hopping over the fence unchallenged to come and eat up your meager pension funds and clog your healthcare system.

get a sense of perspective :) while the rest of the world is on a highway to hell, giving 20 or 30$ to 1C for them to keep building the sim of our dreams should be something we do willingly

What amazes me is, why some people think BOM is going to be any better than COD.

It amazes me that your still here if you really think that...

This RC patch better be the moder of all patches.

Notice how the "when" for the patch is carefully avoided.

I mean, what does this even mean "The general plan is, after the milestone is submitted and accepted, we return to the now almost-final patch, cram as much as we can into it, and make it our final Cliffs of Dover patch"

Milestone? Submitted and accepted? Now almost-final patch? (All my questionmarks is related to timelines)


Politicians spring to mind.


I still cling to my prediction that this patch will get here late october, in a perfect world, or mid december, in 1C world.

It´s amazing with how little you can keep desperate simmers happy :grin:.

I felt pretty pissed after I bought CLOD and stopped patching it as soon as it became evident it´s not getting any better (that is: decent, compareable to other sims). I whined my dissapointment here a couple of times, but then quit writing and just lurked around.

And I can say it has been worth of 50 €.

This project, it´s lack of progress, it´s clear misleading of customers and this forum with it´s militant fan-boys, desperate simmers and voices of reason (Tree_UK I´m your no.1 fan) are just amazing. Nothing compares to this! I would have missed all this haven´t I bought CLOD (forum experience is not the same if you don´t own the product).

Now the most interesting part seems to have come to its end, since we (or you who are installing it) are only getting one final patch, which of course will repair next to nothing.

BTW, speaking about the latest update, do you really think that the sequel will update CLOD? It surely won´t.

My bet is that at some point of 2018 they´ll inform their "loyal customers" that code has changed so much, there is no chance of interating it with CLOD.

I have no hard feelings for Luthier & co. for taking my money (after all it´s not that much), I´ve even come over the feeling of getting cheated (that was much harder to do). I hope that they have learned their lesson and their next project will be succesfull (though I´m not parting with my money before some in-depth reviews).

Because Smigel, im still hoping that one day after 8 years of waiting they manage to finally get something right.

An utter disgrace. To assume I am going to spend money on more products from a company that can only offer empty promises is laughable. Why the hell should we believe your next project/sequel/test to see what people will put up with, will be any better? A company that cannot deliver should not be in business at all.

Goodbye 1C.

It's not like you didn't have to...

I don't mind it that much. I think all this brabble about people feeling cheated for their ~50 €/$/£ (i myself paid half of that at release, but whatever) and posting that for over a year straight and still visiting these forums every day is also not really unamusing.

However, i sure hope that BoM will still be a massive improvement over the current CloD state (with beta patch), because i doubt many people will make the mistake of buying a 1c flightsim prematurely twice. And i doubt that BoM will have the same "support" if people don't buy it, because people post here that it's in alpha state and after BoM, i can't see another sequel that would have a similar potential as BoM or CloD.

luthier Said This:
 

"Are we happy with that? No. But we simply cannot continue to support and grow Cliffs of Dover while also trying to ensure our sequels are released on time and are sufficiently polished. I’m sure most of you will agree that we have already supported our release more than perhaps any other developer in a similar situation. Most of you have probably guessed that Cliffs of Dover was not exactly the most profitable project in the world, and for at least the past year supporting it did nothing for the bottom line but put it deeper into the red."


All that is your problem. What about my $50 for CoD you took and never delivered on?

And NO a half-baked sim is not what I thought I was buying. And YOU KNEW THAT.