I think, because we paid for it. If you are glad giving your money for nothing, good for you.

And I think that ALL we are posting here wants the game works fine and become in the best simulator in history, but no for that we will not complain when things do not go as they promised.

It's not the money. It's seeing the only real chance of a viable WW2 prop sim to last the next decade being squandered by appalling project management.

Define 'nothing', what I have on my hard drive is the best looking WW2 sim I ever saw, sure it needs some attention but I have 'never' owned a game that didn't.

so you didnt look at the new plane:rolleyes:

Very nice looking LA-5. Good to see some progress being made there. Apart from that, I'm one of those (perhaps many) sitting on the fence awaiting a more favourable public perception of the game in a more fixed state before I'd invest in a new PC to run it. Or the sequel.

MAC

I do not understand what some of you people think they would get out of saying that they are fixing it for over a year but secretly they were just sitting around making up weekly updates while twiddling their thumbs. It would ruin their reputations, their lively hoods and would make 1c idiots that could not check up on the work that they had done up to this day.

Not anyone is going to buy the sequel if this is left broken, they know and we know it so just chill people.

Woooohhooo :):):) great screenshots nice La Thanks

Not really interested mate, as I said, I would like what I paid for over a year ago to work before I even think about shelling out more money to 1C.
Saying that I do have a nice tea towel with a map of the Channel on it, worth £50 I would say :rolleyes:

Seems like a win win situation to me. Either the game is still in deep trouble and the developers are stringing you a line whilst struggling to get on top and it may never be sorted, in which case, 'Hooray! You were all right and fully justified in your outrage'.

Or the work for the next update is indeed finished and just needs final assembly and a little testing to be safe, in which case, 'Hooray! We are well on the way to the best WW2 combat sim ever'. How cool is that?

+1

Totally agree Feathered,and the reason the majority of guys are complaining on here is quite simple.....they are passionate about this WW2 prop sim,they want it to succeed,they want it corrected and they have been patient for a long time,but their patience is now quite rightly in short supply and who can blame them.

Worse and worse and worse.....
Very sad the news.

Is it too very difficult to put patch for community :

Radio communications
AI
Clouds
Some of bugs of avionics?

Its only scripts! So no difference in Dx9, dx8 or dx15....or MMO or what You want.
Pity, still too same. Lose my hope after each Friday news :( .

I can. They're really annoying and their constant complaining is not helping anyone.

[QUOTE=smink1701;436847]I will still buy it.....:grin:....... I have had my moneys worth out of CloD despite the Gremlins and I expect the same will happen with BoM. Whichever way I look at it - CloD was and still is cheap entertainment.

Certainly you have been flying flight sims long enough to know the first year is always tough.

FB, AEP, PF, 1946, all improved upon the previous il2 versions. I expect nothing less from BoM.

Furthermore, if you have not flown the sim over the past year, you ripped yourself off.

Prove it
 

Enough already. Just release the patch. We have grown tired of your excuses. You say you have fixed a lot of things, well then prove it!

Says it all

+1000000000000000

Priceless! Waiting a year for a patch to fix a non-functioning sim isn't long enough? Ummm......ok.

So you think the patch is actually all complete and just sitting on a devs hard drive while they sit and make excuses to delay the release of a finished patch? they say they have fixed alot of things because 'we' the community 'demanded' weekly updates.

Unless you're a crap shot and you just gave away your position.

hmm, nice screenshots... but will the sequel have real gameplay, working ai, real dynamic campaign with rank and medals and so on or just playable planes and single player missions, again... that the fear of most here...

... the drive dog on the La5's spinner is backwards ...


:/

Let me do the B6 work "I can´t say anything about that until the official announcement"

Bored of these "updates". I'll come back in a few months time and see what's going on then...

I hate to say this, but i have had all the faith in 1C.

The key word in that was had, but these empty promises and vague reasons have left a bad taste in my mouth.

loosing my faith in 1C and this game, beginning to wish i never bought it.

I was looking so forward to it and now letdown after letdown empty promises, have just become way to much to even be called funny.

I dont even think it can be even referred to as a joke unless the joke is on the diehard flight simmers witch it seems to be.

Well it's a bad joke not funny anymore annoying is a better word.

TY for the pic's BlackSix nice but don't make the game run no better sad to say but true.

I think that the errors of CloD will be ironed out... but thats only "thinking".

And to the others saying: "I will not buy BoM". Thats your right and - after the "not so good" start of CloD... who can really be angry bout this desicion?

on the other handside, there are only very few sim-programming-companies...

If they are not supported by the customer.... they will probably die...

Lets look forward what the Devs will make out of CloD ;-)

S!

I wonder how these early Ladas are modelled in sequel. Same as in IL-2 where FM was copy/paste and drawn from a magician's hat? First combat sorties over Stalingrad Ladas had to be ESCORTED by Yakovlevs as their performance was poor source: Gordon & Yefim) etc. Actually the later series LagG-3's outperformed the early La-5's as they were lighter. But thanks for the great shots though :)

Why we support a company that did not meet its promises?

try to keep faith ,,, good things come to those who wait:cool:

I will never buy anything again from this company. Talk about no clue how to treat loyal customers, sheesh.

Yes, right! ... but they are doing quite well. Compare the CloD today with the release CloD. It is getting better.

Lets talk again in about 1 - 2 month. I am sure there will be an update soon.

Is there any other WWII Sim? I dont think so ...

+1

Bought the game on release, and, even with last patches, it isn't more than a quick skirmish generator (with 2 choices: over the channel with good FPS; over land with bad FPS).

Obviously i won't buy the expansion at launch, i'll wait for several reviews, etc., but i do hope they do a great job. Also, i'll disregard any promised feature not on release... "to be implemented on later patches" may be some years from the release.

I returned to flight-sims full of hope for this title, I've invested thousands of the banks' money into hardware but now I'm off to level a Gnome, or maybe a Dwarf.

Septic (AKA Fearless Hengist Thunderhorn, have sword, will travel)

I'm totally agree with you

Salute

Have you even read the update? Here:

"This week we have completed all the planned work on the patch"

Sitting right there on their hard drives. But releasing another beta patch for public testing is no go, because you know.. have to "assemble" it first, which will take a couple of months.

"This week we have completed all the planned work on the patch"...but not completed the internal testing.

Maybe he is not.:!:

They doing quite well with the patch! Maybe I revert to red baron 3d again *lol*

Nice 2 amuse you ;)

Respectfully, this is not an Update for CloD.
It's SPAM for BOM.

BOM should have it's own Forum.

Further, It's long past due, to provide more accurate
and better communication on the pace and process of
fixing CloD. How about a time line to completion?

I am back to flying 1946. The last 15 months has been
a waste of my time and money with CloD. I believe that
BOM portends the same.

If MG can't speed up the development? Then they need
to rapidly ramp up the communication.

Development is a process. Communication is a choice.

I am standing by...a little bit longer.

CLOD is from the beginning a big disappointment !!!!!

Never ending story.:!:

What an awful update even if we could believe it, and I too noticed the immediate reaction - 1 'thanks' followed by reaction to the news that, YET AGAIN, all deadlines suggested are missed/ignored. The "Performance patch" which we waited 5 months for consisted of just removing things that caused lag, to be told it's not a Beta but and Alpha and is so bad that it's not even been put up into Steam updates. When you think about it can anybody provide an example when something has been delivered on the day that they said it would?

Nobody has any faith in the vacuous rhetoric repeated over and over again - The team have shot their bolt, nothing can be trusted.

I do still fly it mate (230 hours logged), and also spend a lot of time doing RAF skins for other people as well as my own enjoyment,
however I am part of a squad and the great hope was that we could move on from 1946 (modded) to this for co-ops etc.
However as the Channel map (the main reason to buy a Battle of Britain simulation I would have thought) cannot be used
and the other 'arcade' kiddy fantacy maps are no good for a BoB Sim (in my opinion) we have all but dropped the idea of using it.

As for the 'first year is tough' bit, well, from its release 1C have been stringing us along with promise after promise that transformed into
basically saying that CLoD will be fixed when BoM is released.
Now I read this, possibly incorrectly, that we will need to buy BoM for a complete fix to CLoD, a game we have all spent money on to purchase.

Sorry , Don't care about screen shots, of what will be anouther broke game!!! I already said smoke an mirrors . But like many others screw bom I bought clod. The ship is slowly sinking an history will finger you!!! for incompatance, an fooler ship OLEG must be proud of you, your a liar !! No trust NO MONEY!!!You screwed the pooch on this 1 . This is not at you Blacksix, your just the bad news bear, I believe the CLOD Community, is being played like a fiddle at a backwoods hodown , The jokes on us!!! good one !!! you got us LMAO

Well, if you agree with that, quite a patience you have ... they finished the planned work (6 months) but they need assemble and then do the internal test? (when in the last update they said that they are almost ready to release the patch, but in an afternoon reunion decided to postpone a little bit)... then they do not finished the work, because the work includes the internal testing to see if all goes right.
They still kicking the ball forward, and fanboys buy the vapor

They have already released one alpha/beta patch that they worked a long time on, why would they walk away now? People need to put things in perspective, it's not like they are keeping oxygen from us.

WIP, but is it from a game engine or a render from a 3D program?

This 'fanboy' label is getting boring and is pure childishness, what possible sense could it make for a sofware company to just sit there doing 'nothing', what we are being told sounds plausible, I see no reason why a developer who is suffering badly from a bad release shouldnt be being very carefull over the release of the major fix, if they crumble to the pressure of 'whingeing' they might push it out prematurely again and it's back to square 1 and probably game over and everyone can clear out their desks, their children can starve but none of you would care because you had to spend £50 which most of us could piss on a wall in 1 night.

Aw come on.. BS said "testing in the coming days.....difficult to give an exact release date....list of changes will also be published later."

That means it will all be sorted and done in 3 days. He couldn't be clearer. Have some faith. :grin:

Priceless Update.

Has the original post been doctored? i was at work today and i read the following quote,now its gone?

They sad they wouldnt release anything until they was happy:-):-):-):-):-):-)[QUOTE=ATAG_Septic;436662]What a joke,as stated by most not interested in the sequel,ill prob get it(after reading reveiws)only because there is nothing else out there.
I bought a game about The Battle of Britain.

Shame



Cheese

Yes Cheese, it has been edited, originally it said basically that nothing would be posted and there were screenshots only of something not related to any patch

So even the updates are getting doctored !!!!!

Bloody hell i know there in Russia but i aint!!!!!

What a joke.

+1 & +1 & +1 well you get the idea

i think i said the same just not quite so colorful nice wording

A few of those shots of the LA-5 up high look indeed to be from the game engine on a fall setting map.

The WIP autumn trees still look a tad too bright and out of place compared to the rest of the landscape. There also appears to be at least some form of AA on the plane, except for the control wires. I still want to see some actual clouds, hopefully they are reworking those.

Hi BlackSix,

Honestly I appreciated the pics of the beautiful La-5. Thank you for posting them. As far as the patch, better late but good than early but faulty. And also - better late than never ... :-)

Cheers!

LOL! Thanks B6 for doing the dirty work luthier should be doing. BTW, how are those "couple of days clouds and grass" fixes coming along? Would be nice if you could re-introduce removed features soon.

''Gordon Bennett'' springs to mind.. oh well, situation normal. :)

Really, WoW!........"planned" work. This was the known plan from the beginning.

Any-hoot, I still love the game...........even as is. But, please don't promise something and then not deliver.............it gets old.

Good luck with the patch.......I'll continue to be patient and wait now. Tuddles!

K9

You know what, a year or so ago i would have thought that we would have been looking at pics of Hampdens,Whirlwinds or Lysanders etc etc etc apart from LA what ever.Am i the only one that feels like this,so much promised so little given. I feel HAD.
Ive backed this game up so much in the past(even telling my numerous Squad mates that all will be good in the end) when is the end of this joke(wanted to say bullshit but thought i would get banned)
Pics of the sequel what we dont want dont really work does it???
Want pics of the game(no we dont really!!) that we was promised.
I spent days trying to make missions for the die hard Squad mates over Christmas period(really got into it) XMAS PERIOD that was 6 months ago and nothing worked then and NOTHING has changed.I dont think they know the time people spend(that they cant get back) on trying to make this thing work.
Its soooo unimpressive now its boring.
I check this forum for the pilots page(which has some really interesting posts)and the skins page.
Apart from that its a joke.

Cheese

Basicaly i trashed my 50$. I lost more. Life goes on. I am finished with this line of sims.

Name something in that alpha patch that they "worked a long time on" that made you say "Ah! Excellent! They are on the right track!"

I honestly did not see one thing that was better in the alpha, and I even saw many things that were worse!

Gee, remember when IL-2 updates were fun and generated interesting discussions?

I can't believe all the threads in here by people whining for the last 18 months that they're disappointed in a games they spent 50 bucks on! A year and a half, are you sh*t*ng me?! Get a frickin life!

Man, I'm ashamed to be losely associated with these hobbiests.

Having been away doing much in my life other than playing IL-2, I too have been waiting for the patch. But I also understand patience is needed and I see too many not waiting for this. \
Oleg and gang, keep up the good work and as always, release when it's ready! I'll be there when you do.
As for the screen shots, the La-5 series has been and shall be my all time favorite WWII fighter to fly. With the La-5FN and La-7, flying and fighting was a joy. I cannot wait when this is released so I can once again enjoy it all over again. :) No doubted I'll do my own skins and all that too. WINK

Constructive post.............................................. ......

As Blackdog_kt pointed out in page 9 of this thread, it seems i can ask questions about the update in a polite way.I also have the right to express if i am displeased or not with this update. So here i go:
The question to the Devs team is the following: although vague in the update, can the Devs confirm there will be a a solid patch that will solve most bugs that are forwarded the last six months and earlier?
Will this patch be released in a reasonable time, such as 1 month or 2 monthts the latest?
If i get a possitive answer on both questions i will be a happy custumor.If i get no answer, i want to use my right to be displeased and in that case i would suggest to the Devs to hire a bus, cross the channel, where they will see at Biggin Hill, Hawkinge etc... the following grave:
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/l...ooo/kruis5.jpg

Your post was fine, until you decided to jam that little jab at the end.

Come on people, is it so damn difficult to refrain from trying to irritate others on purpose? Sigh... :confused:

Sorry Blackdog_kt, i had no intention to irritate who ever. It is my inner conviction that if the Devs don't come with something consistent in a reasonable time, Clod will be dead very soon ,as well will be the sequel, and many dissapointed reactions on the forum point that way.That is only my humble opinion.Let the Devs prove i'm wrong, but they are running out of time i think

Agree. If someone says that CloD is dead then he should leave. Eitherway, there`s nothing more left for him other than spoil others` experience (trolling).

Now theres an idea.....

Well you can say that all day long. Won`t work. Any reason for complaining is good.

Exactly

I drop in here once a week to see if anything has happened and then potter off again. I'd be a proper twat to sit here fulminating and shouting about it all. Life is worth more than that. If it works, I'll be delighted. Thank God my life is more than getting angry at people about a flight sim.

Very Cool! Can't wait for the sequel!

I Must agree, I formed a great squad for this sim and now we are having member drop out or dont show because of the current condition. With the past IL2 sims they where fun and alot of action.

This one after a year has went backwards and promoting the next sim more , even before this one fixed.


:confused:

IMO the boys in Moskow are building Potemkin villages! Let us give the crouds some pics of some planes, don't give answers to the questions and let us do nothing! And sometimes if we dont do nothing, we have some holidays! We are all doomed!:evil:

Thanks for the update Blacksix. Very pleased to see the plane set for the sequel expanding too. The LA5 will be a great addition and hopefully indicates a FW190 or a BF109G2 is in the works.

Who's going to answer the questions Blackdog? No one ever answer any questions here. Unless 'I don't know' is a meaningful answer.

This is now becoming some sort of joke I think. I will not touch the sequel, on both a matter of principle and a loss of interest.

I just want a working product for the good money I paid, now.

This product IS working for many people, though it's by far not flawless.

And the sequel, as i understood all information about it, is just a expansion for the same game engine, which is also improved over the time, but nothing completely new.

Blacksix, you said the team worked on clouds in the previous update, do you have any screenshots of the new clouds, or is it just the same Il2 clouds with better distance rendering?

Improved speed and less CTD for me, they completely rewrote the engine which is no small task. Yes features were missing but they should be added back with this patch.

If the "complete rewrite of the engine" was such a great deal, then tell me why it didn't solve any of the problems like micro stutter, performance hit by particle, cloud and grass? We got bit more fps, bit fewer micro stutter, performance hit by particle cloud and grass still there.

Features that caused the hickups were taken out and when we get more fps it's the "complete rewrite of the engine" ? Seriously ...

That's the really frustrating part...we will wait another three to four weeks for another alpha and it won't be much different from what we have now...bank on it.

Class Action Lawsuit anyone? When we purchased this game we were under the impression that this game worked! Now it seems like they are abandoning it for the sequel and week after week we hear the same thing. Who wants their money back?

the sequel depends on COD being fixed, the sequel will use the COD engine, they can make the content for the sequel 'without' interfering with the progress on the fix for COD because 3d modellers and artists 'do not' write code.

Kongo-Otto may I add You to my friends?

nynek

carguy... with all due respect what is your nick on multiplayer and time zone?

nynek

P.S.

I'm nynek since 1993 btw.

Particles will always cause a hit to performance. The more there are in a scene, the lower the frame-rates. You can manage this by lowering graphics settings.

Tell me something robtek ... how the hell did You get senior member status on this forum ... by flying or writing ?

nynek

Aircraft updates - COD and BOM
 

Thanks Blacksix for the update. The Lag-5 looks good and will obviously lead to a progressive update of this excellent fighter type.

Going back to Ilya's earlier comments about updating the series COD and BOM, it was my understanding that both Battle scenario's will use the same engine therefore when BOM is released with the Ju88A-4, you can fly this aircraft in COD etc. etc.

Hopefully BOM will release a Bf109F-2 which you could fly in COD, although to keep COD alive with the next phase after the Battle of Britain, from a marketing point of view, it would be excellent to see a Spitfire V, Typhoon and Focke Wulf 190A-2 or A3 released. The Typhoon was sadly left out of the old series and would be an ideal aircraft to have for the progression of the Western Front air battles.

I have been out of the scene for a while without a computer, I now have an excellent setup and am progressively updating some of my campaigns with a lot of new mission building scripting information. Sadly it has been a 'trial and error' progression without proper instructions, hopefully something has been written for BOM.

I am still enjoying COD, with all its faults it is still a mighty sim. In the Campaign mission building area I am finding out more and more every day which make the missions even better. Hopefully with the new patch to be released soon, things will get even better for COD - they will have to!

DFLion

Uninstalled CLOD about a month ago, I just come back here when I'm bored and out of . to read.

No sequel for me, for sure.

Very nice warbird, but la-5 is better in BoS (Battle of Stalingrad) than in BOM :!:

Or we would have all russian front? :grin:

These guys have basically stolen our money and now expect us to buy a new product and they can just write off the old. They should not be making a addon till the fix the first one we payed for:mad:

This is crap guys.

Come and have some fun killing Zombies in Dayz;)

O_Smiladon

Once again they will add a smattering of aircraft types willy nilly and not cover any one area properly. This is classic Luthier behavior and would be infuriating, if I wasn't already resigned to it about thee or four years ago.

Blacksix, could you inform us if the next patch will be an alpha, beta or a final patch? The sequel (the pictures that you showed us) will be like CloD? (SP and MP sim)
Thanks a lot
Regards

This is crap guys.quote)

Why is the software makers can sell half baked products lately O smilidon, and get away with it. You would not buy a new car and when you go to pick it up it only has 3 wheels fitted, and you are told the will give you the other 2 when they have enough. This is starting to become the norm with games now, they take your money and give you a crap unfinished games that takes months or years to get fixed. not having the money does not cut it for me any more.If they cant afford to make a product properly they should not be allowed to sell it before its finished.

You know what? Flawed as it is it's still a very cool sim. The most immersive in cockpit sim ever and the offline is alright . Not perfect yet but to me worth 49.99 or what ever it was, 49.99 is like pocket change .It doesn't buy much these days , but it does buy this flawed but still cool ww2 sim. Since this is the only option , I just wait it out . It was only 49.00 , you waste that easily in a couple of days with restaraunts , liquor and ciggies ( used to anyway ) .Face it many people needed to upgrade their computers anyway. Hypothetically if you could go back to the crappy computer you had , now that you've used your new one for a year, would you ? Sure I upgraded my computer too , but I needed to . The old one was a pile of crap .I don't use it only for this game , I have a pile of programs that need a good video card .

100% agree ! ! !

...and now you can ban me again!
That`s what you do with those who dont hail and praise your work, right?
:twisted:

+1

You reckon you'll get an answer mate? :)