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Dano 04-16-2012 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carguy_ (Post 409806)
Yes, thanks for finally pointing that out.

It was there all along if you had but read my posts.

Chivas 04-16-2012 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by carguy_ (Post 409740)
Chivas, the only thing you and people like you (not flying coops) need to understand that a coop is a game mode of its own. You do not need to ask us why we need a mode where :
- 16 players start exactly at the same time,
- dead/downed players cannot return to the mission until it is over,
- there are one or two objectives which deliberately lure all (half) of those players into one (two) spot on the map.

It proved to be a great concept that gained much popularity over the years and it evolved into giving IL2 another meaning altoghether as a video game.

It is a bit different from DM servers in theory, in practice it makes IL2 a whole different game. Coop`ers would like to have it in CloD or a close substitute of it. Main ponts of a coop mission have already been added in this topic earlier by some of the more constructive users.

I'm not saying there aren't problems with COOP style play, but I still don't understand why squads can't "start exactly at the same time".
"inform there squad m8's they can't rejoin until the mission is finished"
"have two or more objectives on the map"

furbs 04-16-2012 07:25 PM

Chivas, Please try a run a COOP yourself right now. then come back.

von Pilsner 04-16-2012 07:27 PM

How this thread appears to me:

THIS THREAD: WE would like coop to work different / better...

DANO / CHIVAS: They work fine.

THIS THREAD: Really? show us, make a coop and show us how to play in coop mode...

DANO: Playing on dogfight server is COOP!
CHIVAS: I don't really play COOP...

Why are you guys who don't seem to play COOP so against more options for COOPs???? Or is it cause it's furbs and Tree and you thought you were somehow defending the game? (they do want a better game, they really aren't just here to bash on CloD).

furbs 04-16-2012 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by von Pilsner (Post 409894)
How this thread appears to me:

THIS THREAD: WE would like coop to work different / better...

DANO / CHIVAS: They work fine.

THIS THREAD: Really? show us, make a coop and show us how to play in coop mode...

DANO: Playing on dogfight server is COOP!
CHIVAS: I don't really play COOP...

Why are you guys who don't seem to play COOP so against more options for COOPs???? Or is it cause it's furbs and Tree and you thought you were somehow defending the game? (they do want a better game, they really aren't just here to bash on CloD).

Its more like this...

http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/2...nginghishe.jpg
By furbs9999 at 2012-04-16

Chivas, ive played hundreds of COOP's cant you just believe me?

Tree_UK 04-16-2012 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by von Pilsner (Post 409894)
How this thread appears to me:

THIS THREAD: WE would like coop to work different / better...

DANO / CHIVAS: They work fine.

THIS THREAD: Really? show us, make a coop and show us how to play in coop mode...

DANO: Playing on dogfight server is COOP!
CHIVAS: I don't really play COOP...

Why are you guys who don't seem to play COOP so against more options for COOPs???? Or is it cause it's furbs and Tree and you thought you were somehow defending the game? (they do want a better game, they really aren't just here to bash on CloD).

It seems they are defending the game mate, not one of them will even take up the challenge of trying to host or make a COOP mission, which in truth says it all.

Falstaff 04-16-2012 08:08 PM

...seconded, thirded, fourthed, and fifthed....

Ben

Chivas 04-16-2012 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by von Pilsner (Post 409894)
How this thread appears to me:

THIS THREAD: WE would like coop to work different / better...

DANO / CHIVAS: They work fine.

THIS THREAD: Really? show us, make a coop and show us how to play in coop mode...

DANO: Playing on dogfight server is COOP!
CHIVAS: I don't really play COOP...

Why are you guys who don't seem to play COOP so against more options for COOPs???? Or is it cause it's furbs and Tree and you thought you were somehow defending the game? (they do want a better game, they really aren't just here to bash on CloD).

I never said that Coops work fine, and never said that I don't want the option to make Coop missions easier. Squad members here are saying they aren't flying because they can't practise, and I was asking why they can't practice a number of scenarios now, until the GUI is tweaked/changed/fixed/added for easy COOP use.

I asked a number of questions, but all I get back is a blanket No they can't. I don't know if they can't start a server, or can't load the mission, or can't start the mission, or can't select an aircraft.

All I know is that I just started COD, selected Multiplayer, selected Server, selected a Mission, selected an Aircraft, and Started flying.

I know it should be possible to build a number of missions that would satisfy Squad practice, from plane vs plane to ground attack missions. I also know I could setup a number of scenarios in the same mission.

Is it that other squad members are having problems joining the server?
I know you can start the mission so everyone starts at the same time, even airstarts.
I know squads have enough discipline to not rejoin after they've been shot down.
I know you can fly against AI.

I just not sure what it is they can't do. I know their are problems, but I'm just trying to understand what they all are.

SlipBall 04-16-2012 08:47 PM

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mxmadman 04-16-2012 08:56 PM

Well since we're most likely all in this thread because we want to run a coop: who wants to arrange something? I'd definitely be up for some AI killing with others.

We just need someone to do all the work of creating a map, finding a server, gathering the people through advertisement, organize a date and time, and run the event so that eveyone is where they should be.

Sounds easy enough! I nominate Chivas.

41Sqn_Banks 04-16-2012 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Chivas (Post 409916)
I just not sure what it is they can't do. I know their are problems, but I'm just trying to understand what they all are.

By saying "no it's not possible, go away" they mean: The main problem is that clients can't select an aircraft that is more than 20km away because of a bug. This makes aircraft selection on Channel map a bit difficult (i.e. it requires a workaround by adding a custom menu, which is unfortunatly also bugged, which requires yet another workaround ;) ).

Then there are some minor issues like the mission is already in progress when aircraft can be selected, there is no briefing, there is no debriefing, ... which can all be handled by workarounds.

Tree_UK 04-16-2012 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chivas (Post 409916)
I never said that Coops work fine, and never said that I don't want the option to make Coop missions easier. Squad members here are saying they aren't flying because they can't practise, and I was asking why they can't practice a number of scenarios now, until the GUI is tweaked/changed/fixed/added for easy COOP use.

I asked a number of questions, but all I get back is a blanket No they can't. I don't know if they can't start a server, or can't load the mission, or can't start the mission, or can't select an aircraft.

All I know is that I just started COD, selected Multiplayer, selected Server, selected a Mission, selected an Aircraft, and Started flying.

I know it should be possible to build a number of missions that would satisfy Squad practice, from plane vs plane to ground attack missions. I also know I could setup a number of scenarios in the same mission.

Is it that other squad members are having problems joining the server?
I know you can start the mission so everyone starts at the same time, even airstarts.
I know squads have enough discipline to not rejoin after they've been shot down.
I know you can fly against AI.

I just not sure what it is they can't do. I know their are problems, but I'm just trying to understand what they all are.

Chivas, re read the whole thread you will see what the problems are, its all very very clear.

furbs 04-16-2012 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 41Sqn_Banks (Post 409930)
By saying "no it's not possible, go away" they mean: The main problem is that clients can't select an aircraft that is more than 20km away because of a bug. This makes aircraft selection on Channel map a bit difficult (i.e. it requires a workaround by adding a custom menu, which is unfortunatly also bugged, which requires yet another workaround ;) ).

Then there are some minor issues like the mission is already in progress when aircraft can be selected, there is no briefing, there is no debriefing, ... which can all be handled by workarounds.

Or they fix it.

Dano 04-16-2012 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by von Pilsner (Post 409894)
How this thread appears to me:

THIS THREAD: WE would like coop to work different / better...

DANO / CHIVAS: They work fine.

THIS THREAD: Really? show us, make a coop and show us how to play in coop mode...

DANO: Playing on dogfight server is COOP!
CHIVAS: I don't really play COOP...

Why are you guys who don't seem to play COOP so against more options for COOPs???? Or is it cause it's furbs and Tree and you thought you were somehow defending the game? (they do want a better game, they really aren't just here to bash on CloD).

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tree_UK (Post 409901)
It seems they are defending the game mate, not one of them will even take up the challenge of trying to host or make a COOP mission, which in truth says it all.


Utter crap, try re-reading would be my advice.

Chivas 04-17-2012 12:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 41Sqn_Banks (Post 409930)
By saying "no it's not possible, go away" they mean: The main problem is that clients can't select an aircraft that is more than 20km away because of a bug. This makes aircraft selection on Channel map a bit difficult (i.e. it requires a workaround by adding a custom menu, which is unfortunatly also bugged, which requires yet another workaround ;) ).

Then there are some minor issues like the mission is already in progress when aircraft can be selected, there is no briefing, there is no debriefing, ... which can all be handled by workarounds.

Thanks Banks, so its possible to do alot of the things the original IL-2 Coops did, but some aspects require extra work, or some aspects arn't possible yet because of bugs. My guess is Coops wouldn't have become popular anyway until the performance patch is released.

I seen no reason why the developer won't fix the bugs and change the GUI to allow the user easier access to Coop type game play. It should become a higher priority, especially now that it appears the critical performance patch is getting closer to release.

furbs 04-17-2012 07:24 AM

Please vote on the bugtracker Chivas.


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