I think the same, but to be more precise if a developer has the lucky occasion to read that (lol ok that was funny but you never know..):
some insight is not a picture of BOM or something likea declaration of intent to continue to program that flight simulator in the future, some insight is something like

"so the old graphic engines was not able to be modified better cause of his not modular structure, we redid everything from scratch and with some test made with X configuration machine we are able to fly on london with Y airplanes, explosions in air and ground and Z AA guns on the terrain with a average framerate of W per second with a lower rate of U, everything is going well but we have minor issues with the integration of the old maps in the new graphic engine, cause we midified the working pipeline, but we have a plan how to do it"*

It is preferable to not exaggerate or lie about that infos, because this forum, as the world, is full of people that understand if what is said is real, unclear or false, moreover because the target people of simulators is relatively older than the other games.






*The Tamat Co&Co declare that this is totally coming from his imagination

I bet the best thing they could do for "business" is shut these forums down as this is the what they have become:rolleyes:, persistant drival that does nothing to further the genre or hobby.

Question; Do you forum more than fly as well?

I'm not policing anything, I was just wondering where you saw it would be ready "any day". Now I see it was probably a translation issue. Carry on with your meltdown.

Let's be honest here. You know as well as I do that if the developers are the least bit open, there will be the same contingent of forumites who will ride them like an old horse. Frankly there was a topic posted last week by one of our members that I think put them over the edge. There's no respect from certain people, and it has caused every one to suffer.

I get that we're paying customers. I understand the frustration of not having something in working order. What I don't understand is how some could behave so poorly.... and then whine about it as if they have no bearing on why things are the way they are.

Some have complained about the updates regarding BoM as smoke and mirrors, when in reality it's proof that further development of the series is assured, AND that the product isn't abandoned. The developers aren't stupid. They know the lacks.

1C isn't without culpability, but we as forum members should look at our own behaviour too. If some of the folks here went on and on out side a resturant because of poor food, (like they do here) they'd be arrested for harrassment. Some have likened the release of this game to a $50,000 auto mobile. I invite you to try some of the shennanigans there as you do here.

We're all in the same boat waiting for this product to be what we all hoped it would be, but some folk's behaviour warrants the black out. No one is any more disappointed than the other forumite. Yet there are some who think they are doing good by being pretentious children. But then again, a child never does grasp the ramifications of their childish behaviour.


Regarding BoM? I'll wait to see whether improvements are executed before making a final decision. Making false threats of not purchasing because my feelings may be hurt because of the lack of updates is fool-hearty, IMO.




We're a small community. I've seen the same names from other forums for ten years. Others have changed names but can be recognisesd. 1C is small too. It's the relative size of both that permitts the intimacy and good communication we grew used to. I also think that's one of the reasons it's easy to take some of this personally. (Jusy my opinion.)

Yeah...but when was IL-2 playable? Pretty much from the start. Don't care about finished as much as it being playable.

steady weekly update are good for moral
can be posted in a locked sticky
comments will develop in new threads by users
devs no need to reply
important for devs to communicate progress weekly for
all who can't use this game and need information for
their sanity sake

LoL! That's the spirit! Although I don't think releasing garbage and then shutting down communication is good for our hobby but your the expert apparently.

this stuff is meant to be on the crystal ball thread, thats why they gave us that thread so people could get it out of there system.
Posting seperate threads just gets them deleted and infractions/bans handed out etc.

Manu I will send you a copy as gift ... :-)

lol we've had a lot of translation issues over the year right david.

+1
i'm with you...

thats bull:confused::confused:, go buy a p4 1.8 cpu with 512 sys mem and a 4600 ti gpu(top of the line 8 months after release) and tell me if you get more then 30 fps on high settings with il2 sturmovik out of the box.

Preorders are no longer a factor, they've already sold enough of the first product. There is no doubt there are alot of unhappy people and they will wait to see how the next product turns out before buying. What we say or the developers say in the mean time will have very little effect on sales. You don't need to like the manufacturer to buy their product if the product is good, and there is no competition. Even the haters, are still here posting, and waiting, and most will buy if the product if its good. If they fail they fail, and the forum will soon fade away, with a few haters still here saying I told you so to no one.

prepare your bank account because i Think that the one of manu will be the politic of almost all our wing :grin:

I get far better performance in the forums, no stutters, no CTDs.

I'm sure that's true. It is really unfortunate and sad that it has got to this stage. Unfortunately, it seems that they are unable to get the community onside for any length of time.

Getting BlackSix in to liaise with us was a great idea, but to make it work Luthier has to be prepared to release information for him to supply to us. To put BlackSix in place to 'communicate' with us and then not give him the authority to tell us anything is monumentally self-defeating.

Maybe it's a Russian thing? I don't know. Information about the patch has been guarded as if it was highly important state secrets. It's not the delay in releasing the patch that is annoying people, it's the absence of ANY meaningful information. People can put up with being stone-walled for so long, but eventually they start to get annoyed. That unfortunately is what has happened here.

And why can they not give some measured info? I mean, really?!?! They keep creating needless crises through sheer stubbornness it seems. (I'm well aware that there are people on the forums who could try the patience of a saint, but the devs stubbornness is pushing many of us in the centre-ground in the same direction)


Agreed. Fingers crossed it does the job.

The main problem is that they're damned if they do, and damned if they don't. If they don't release info, they have today's situation: A buttload of bitching, whining and ranting on the boards.

But when they DO release info, it's more of the same since people's pet problem/issue isn't on the list.

Until people learn patience, this will go on. And sadly, I don't think people are able to learn patience.

Sadly mate I can for the first time part of me can see this as a very real possiblity, this forum is the tip of the iceburg. Sukhoi is just as bad and there's no loss of translation there.
The net is full of terrible reviews as well as some good of course, youtube is crammed with jokes, rants, people destroying their games infront of their cameras and so on.
Now, I'm sure this happens to every game to a degree because you cant please all the people all the time, but I'm getting a very real sense that the people who are negative for cliffs is growing and growing, a simulator being a relatively small neiche market compared to FPS or RPG etc surely will suffer.
If sales dont go as hoped for BoM how can they afford to continue to improve and work on the game.

To not consider this would be business suicide, so they'll have a plan in place to counter act this from happening.

Some people have them every time there is a post by the dev team.

Any reliable source for this asstertion? I decided to uninstall IL2 Cliffs of Dover on march 31st and forget about it. As a matter of fact the sequel will never reach my system.

I used to subscribe to that viewpoint.

But situations change. What worked and was an appropriate strategy four months ago may not be the correct approach now.

When it was merely 'the usual suspects' making the noises, keeping tight-lipped may have been a good approach. But I genuinely think that the situation is different now. It is very natural for people to want news on progress of the patch and the plans for COD's development and I believe the devs risk alienating a lot of their core support if they maintain the same no-communication approach.

I'm also genuinely at a loss for a reason why they can't not tell us some carefully picked bits of info. They could have nipped this in the bud long ago by being a bit more savvy.

Whose fault is that? Who are the ones that sold us a nonfunctional product? Who are the ones that purchased a defective product on faith it would be made better in the future?

Everybody acts like we owe the devs a favor when in fact they owe us big time.

It pulls stronger a hair of simulator than a pair of oxen, for those like us :-) ... You will buy like addicts and fight for the last copy in the shop, if the game is any good ...

Nobody held a gun to your head and forced you to buy it. If you don't have the foresight to expect issues in something as ambitious as this, then you shouldn't buy it in the first place.

Caveat Emptor. Pure and simple.

Will I personally be a bit more interested in reading what others has to say about the expansionpack before I buy it? Hell yes. Does that mean I'll go off on a rampage when/if an eventual buy blows up in my face? No. It means I'll notch it up as yet another bad usage of $50, and leave it at that.

Does the Devs owe us? Maybe. But patience is a virtue that's a DAMN rare commodity these days, and these forums are a damn good example of just that. Hell, people here are even more rabid than MMO'ers, and that's saying something.

Wow, I seem to have gone from being a certified hater to a fan boy in one simple posting! :-P

I'm not optimistic at all. See my post. I think the team really need to pull their fingers out.

But at the same time, they really aren't monkeying around and eating bananas. (maybe drinking vodka.) As I said, it's their business: their income, and they are in no position to play with people and childishly aim to annoy the community.
The community is the backbone of the game, and they must realise that it's reaching braking point.

I am pretty shure that everybody saying he/she/it wont buy the sequel, or anything from 1c/MG, is either a troll, not doing any wwii combat-flightsimming anyway, or used to lie to himself! :D :D :D

LOOOL perhaps your right, but seeing how much the sim is considered now in our wing it has to be not only any good, but clearly good.


btw is it an international way of saying or is it a perfectly hilarious translation?

all the discussion is useless, coz if the next patch comes out, the patchthread will be go over 40 pages, how awesome the patch and 1C are... :rolleyes::rolleyes:

I second that!

I'm not a computer programmer/games developer but I'm sure that it's often not possible to know how long it's going to take to complete a project/programme change that is bug-free.

I remember being involved in the switcging of our accounting system from one programme to another - it was scary! I would tell the boss that we'd be ready in 2 days time - something would go wrong and set us 4 days back etc etc.

I think that we must remain patient - I'm sure that Luthier & his team are doing their best to get things done.

Just please keep the comments polite chaps!

I don't get all this complaining, personally I am having a great time flying this sim and have learned to deal with it's current issues. I'm thankful that I at least get to fly what we have and that I'm not still waiting for the game to be released.

This is a cutting edge sim, with talented people working to make it better everyday, and I'd much rather they be working towards our next patch than appeasing the people on here that are complaining because they didn't get it 100% perfect on the first attempt.

Guys. Stop apologising. You paid for a promised product and didn't get it.

Now the developers are being incredibly rude to their remaining dwindling customer base.

Your optimism is too shy. I am sure I have a better explanation for the lack of update: the beta patch is so good that the team is too busy playing with CloD to bother posting updates.

B6: "ahemm, Ilya, sorry to interrupt you, did you prepare the usual Friday update babble?"
Ilya: "Shut up, this time I'll get that pesky 109!"

Well said :)

+ 1

/mazex

Addman,

When B6 said "Any Day" he was referring to how the patch was not linked to the Friday update and could be released on "any day" of the week - not just a Friday. It didn't mean imminent or any day now.

Boris,

Mind if I put that in my sig?

JD
AKA_MattE

There was surprise and confusion (this thread as well as the update thread) that the next patch was purely graphics and performance rather than 'the' patch that would bring CoD up to what it should have been at release with numerous bug fixes.

I think/hope that the delay may be due to a change of plans to include more than just graphics performance in the beta. Either that or luthier's definition of "very shortly" is a bit odd! I'm certainly expecting more than graphics performance in the next patch.

Let me guess: you're playing almost exclusively online and are a big fan of dogfight servers? ;)

Some of us don't share your preferences. Some of us prefer immersive offline campaigns or coop online missions. Some of us are deeply disappointed with the state of the sim almost 12 months after release. I'm happy for everyone enjoying CloD, but I'd appreciate when in return there was some understanding that there are indeed reasonable complaints.

Aah, well it would be easier to understand the updates if Yoda wasn't the one writing them. I reckon it would be more practical if luthier would pick someone who is a natvie English speaker from the community for example, to publish the Friday updates so there wouldn't be so many misunderstandings. I could name quite a few rabbid followers who would gladly please his majesty's biddings, alas I would be banned yet again for doing so. I now bid you good night for I am off to the ATAG server to enjoy what little there actually is to enjoy of the travesty of an entertainment software that is CloD.

Well, I'm off Monday to Vienna for 10 days of fun good food and friends. Time to disconnect from the Internet and the Forum. When its done, its done, and if it's never finished, well, just another small pebble along the road of life which doesn't really matter a lot in the scheme of things. Go out and enjoy the "Real World". :) If that still doesn't work, take a Xanex, chill, and get some perspective. Dive the boat in SH5, which is AWESOME and I've been playing more and more!

:grin: This forum is getting funnier by the second.

'Oh no, it's the opinion police!' priceless.

'Carry on with your meltdown.' even better.

@Dano - that really depends on wether or not you care if people understand you or not.

I expect some folks are going to feel a bit silly in the end either way -
Patch & expansion released and is good... or,
funding withdrawn and get left with what you've got right now... (a la SH5)

And all those temper typing tantrums achieved exactly what?

Pure comedy. :-P

Cheers! Sam.

Beats me as to why anybody who thinks it's a travesty would want to play it at all.

Sammi, it's just meant to highlight the issues surrounding written english let alone translated english, not a dig at anybody.

Of course I will buy BoM and whatever they release in the future, just as I buy all flight sims that get released to support our small niche.

It just hurts so much seeing them handling business as bad as they do. They do have a bunch of supporters that are right now at the end of their patience. I don't know how many times I've been accused of being a fan boy, but now I've had enough too...

They have blown their reputation with all the major reviewers out there after the Clod release and to annoy the community by the current half year delay in getting a patch fixing the memory leak in mp is getting ridiculous...

One thing is very sure. They have serious IT-project management problems. The ones denying that surely have a strong belief in transparent imperial clothing... ;)

Continous integration anyone? The rest of the IT development world has done that for a decade now... Look at project C.A.R.S. A release that works every week...

/mazex

Best post !


Regarding the "comunity" and how 1C team shld be carrefull with it I wld remind you tht in no way anyone of the 200 names (including myself) that are posting here regulary shld feel himself representative of the majority of the CoD's players.

This forum is only a "niche" of the vast array of opinions players might hve.

Acting with modesty is alway the first step to conduct constructive critics.

Let them do what they hve to. Be patient and accuntable.

the community will never reach a breaking point
this game has been around for more then 10 years
and I'm sure it will have another 20 years to go.

;) ahh sorry bud, indeed how easy it is to misunderstand even in plain English. I just nearly wet myself reading through some of todays posts. The mirth...

Regards, Sam.

I'm speechless, logged in today ready to lap up a saucer of treatiness but found myself gazing into a pool of reflection..

Course I will buy whatever is realeased but can't say I'm a little bit rocked and rolled by today's blank newspaper :o

Please excuse me if I'm multiquoting (can i use this word? :-) ).

We are so many in this board: it's a community and like in every community you can meet the black sheep. Penalizing all the board because of a pair of fools is acting like a child ("the ball is mine and I'm going home!")
The real offenders are clowns... still the other guys need to not be so touchy (B6's episode... probably caused by the language barrier).

But we HAVE no bearing on it.

I'm not telling they are stupid. But this was sold as the definitive combat flight simulator, developed by a really small team. I can tell that the development of an engine is by far more difficult than model 3D objects... and now we have lacking engines (graphic, FM, probably DM too, since we have not a test tool about it... a thing that the developers should have to debug the application but are not publishing...) but so many beautiful 3D object (still not used)!

Wasn't better 2y programmers and y modellers instead of y programmers and 2y modellers?
You model a single plane and you build the engine around that (how is IL2 born?)... you don't model ships, tanks, bycicles and cow and leave the engine broken.

I'm quite sure that they are working on tanks to profit from all that, IMO useless, 3D work...

Eh? This is all 1C's fault... You have no one going out and talking crap about 1C... this is 1C's board.. it should be almost their counter.
And of course the car example is a little forced... if it really was about a $50k car you don't wait a year to get angry, you call your lawyer the same the day.

Imo instead there are people more disappointed that other... you know I shudder at some posters' comments during the updates. I know how it works on forums: a little part of fanboys, the same of haters and the majority of objective guys. Fanboys will never be disappointed, the haters will always have something to say but the rest's opinion depends on the product.. and since there is no product it depends on news... what news?

Bad management... you buy the game at the release and you're paying 5 times the current price WITHOUT any benefit (some guys even spent money to upgrade they rigs... you're MAD!), differently from any other product out there... "preorder" is based on trust since you pay without receiving anything but they award you for that... I'll buy it when it will cost 10$, like the guys who are mocking me right now about CloD.

Anyway I'm a VG addicted: I buy anythig but I don't have time to play (I'm a moron I know)... I was to buy Real Warfare 2 but I didn't confirm the order when I saw the publisher.
Also because if you scroll on the 1C's gamelist you find RO2... another failure.

Of course we are old friends, we share the same hobby and you're completly right about taking this personally. We know we are important for MG and I can't believe they are treating us in this way. I'm angry because of that.

Everyone doing combat-flight simming is probably playing 1946.

+1

what else ?

for all those promising to not purchase the next release... how come you're still here?
for all those whining about no news, etc... how come you're all still here?

you want to make an effective statement... resign the board, let them see you mean business instead of just continually whinging. (ie vote with your feet)

Well, ill just say this for the folks that don't venture into other realms of gaming: what we're going through with patches, bugs, and delays is on par with what every other developer is going through. Blizzard is the most recent one that pops into my mind, as they're cutting announced features long after starting pre-orders just months before release. Every developer has these same issues. I'm not giving any opinions on whether that's right or wrong, just stating facts.

Now, what annoys me is that the company has lashed out at its entire customer base by withholding information specifically because they felt slighted by a small percentage of their customers. This is not the way a professional (individual or corporation) should conduct themselves.

That being said, I can understand their reaction. These are real people, they do have feelings, and after spending as much time creating a product as they have I can sympathize with them not wanting to share anything until it is 100% fact.

hahah oh man that is just to funny...

I fly around chasing fake dots for an hour then my game crashes before i can find anything to shoot.

both i guess

I doubt that the developers are holding much information back because they are pissed at a few people. They have said they are still working on the performance patch which doesn't lend itself to screenshots so they told us they were working on the FM and Performance patch and released some screenshots showing some of the work they are doing on vehicles. People looked at the pretty pictures, didn't bother reading the text, and assumed that the combat flight sim was dead, and they were making a tank sim. lol

As far as the performance patch goes, having an update once and awhile saying they are still working on it, is good enough for me. I don't need to be told weekly, as I can remember what they said on the last update. They will either release the patch or fail and it won't take a week for the sukhoi.ru forums to find out that the development has shutdown.

Yep!

Clearly you've never played on the ATAG server; I fly mostly bombers in an attempt to take out objectives in our objective-based missions. I'm an average fighter pilot at best and prefer to stay away from enemy fighters since I'm usually level bombing in a HE-111, dive bombing in a Stuka or low level bombing in a Bf-110. My joy comes from working with my teammates towards destroying an objective target, not downing a fighter.

+2.

Wow, do you have reading comprehension issues or something? Go back over my post again and re-think your reply.

A lot of us were led to believe that it was 1C Publishing forcing Maddox Games to get the thing out the door in its current state. The understanding was that MG would work hard to fix our product and remain in our good graces. We bought the game because Oleg & Co. had earned a lot of good will from the community, supporting their game for years after release and having constructive dialogue with the community.

Contrast that to the current situation. We bought their broken game. We're closing in on a year after release, the game's still broken in multiple significant ways, and they're already talking about a sequel. This is the kind of crap that EA/DICE get lambasted for in the media with the Call of Duty series. Before BlackSix was appointed, we had to get our news secondhand from the russian forums, as if the non-Russian audience is the red-headed stepchild of flight simmers. Conversations between Developer and Community could best be described as "frosty", and at worst as "hostile".

You tell me, who's in the wrong here?

+1

This needs to be said more.

But at the time that was considered playable by the majority of the community. I know no one that even thought about playing it with the graphics totally maxed out. IL2 was playable because you could get online with all your mates and fly it into the wee hours of the morning without a worry about CTDs,and have a grand time doing it. And we did, night after night, for years. And I did it with a Ti 4400.

That's playability. Don't confuse it with eye candy ability.

And that is what we currently lack.

Sorry for the deception but we are not in the 90´s anymore.

Respectfully, El, we lack playability too. I certainly can't play online with my mates into the wee hours without worrying about CTDs. There's a memory leak in the game currently. I can't fly more than about 45 minutes without the game crashing.

Doggles, I think you drew the wrong conclusion from my post.

We do lack playability in CloD is my point, as compared to IL2 that was "playable" out of the box.

Sorry if it's confusing.

:cool:

I sure as hell remember IL2 being a resource hog in 2002. New mid-range hardware was able to run it low-to-medium settings at most, and that meant turning off the buildings. Some poeple just don`t remember where they come from.

BoM is day 1 buy for me. I just want to fly the new Friedrich.

:oops: Maybe I read it too fast, apologies.

What? People have been moaning regardless! You go back and read any of the update threads! And I`m annoyed too. Pretty sure of that. Do I attack BlackSix for lack of recent info?Do I post the same drivel about beating cheated?No, I wait, sometimes I`ll ask some questions. But I`m calm enough to hold back the childish GIVE ME NOW NOW NOW NOW OR ILL START SCREAMING attitude!

Yeah, ok. You don`t have to be such a jerk about it though.

+1 though a Yak is more my style!

I strongly disagree with your view.

*shrug* Would you be so complacent if it wasn't a video game?

"IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover Latest instalment in the acclaimed IL-2 Sturmovik series from award-winning developer 1C: Maddox Games."

Sounds great, when can I expect it?

Yeah. I remember at least one user who said to be leaving the forum for a while. Sadly, he didn`t last half a day and just HAD to post some more complaints.

Drama queens is what they are.:rolleyes:

Not sure about that. I think it has gone beyond a joke.

But we need to remember that in this genre the most disgruntled customer is only one 'patch' away from being the most evangelical fanboi! ;)

Personally I am disappointed that we have not yet seen the patch considering how long ago the alst one was released and the major stability issues we still have to put up with. The game is clearly playable for some (and I have to say I am in that fortunate group of people to a certain extent) however the launcher crashes hit me whenever I fly online anywhere around the hour mark and no matter what I do with settings, cache clearance, game booster etc. etc.

I still think that Cliffs of Dover is a great game and has a lot of potential, but not having the basic foundation of it being stable is beginning to get difficult to stomach. The stability needs to be fixed, everything else is secondary: I can cope with slightly odd AI, "non accurate" FM's and a multitude of other issues: but the crashes are starting to stretch my patience.

Will I buy Battle of Moscow? Yep!! - whilst Cliffs of Dover has been a terrible launch into the new "Il2" series I really hope that we will see this new series grow and mature just like we did with the original IL2 series.

Right now JG53 is in the interim weeks between the Battle of France (which we used as a tester campaign getting used to the new game etc.) and the Battle of Britain - I had hoped for the patch today as that would have tied in great as right now it is difficult for a group such as ours to oeprate a full Battle of Britain theatre simply because by the time we have gotten airborne, formed up and gotten to target we have lost 30% of people to launcher crashes, add in the time to complete whatever objective or engagement is set and you're looking at around 25% of people are most left "in mission" : sure the others can relaunch their games and reconnect but the teamwork is broken up destroying the focus and immersion of missions.

I hope to see the patch soon, even if it simply eliminates the launcher crash issue - the other features I'm happy to wait for, even happy to pay for with the Battle of Moscow addon.
V

I would suggest carguy you go look at the release reviews for the original IL-2 vs the reviews for COD. That is what I'm talking about. Won editors choice and scored very high with most sites and fans. Cod runs smooth for me, everything else about the game is porked though.

And that is what we all want to be.

Sounds like it could be a real life scenario.

After action report

Black6 clearly stated that there is nothing to update this week, and in fact, he may not update at all in future, due to attitudes of people here.

good grief..............use your brain man

Yes. Terrible attitidues some people have. How dare people ask that the product they paid for be fixed and delivered as promised.

What an attitude people have asking for regular commuication from the vendor.

Goodness. Some people! Next they'll be saying things like the customer is always right!

Yes....patience... ;)

GMT - 4 is North America. +4 is Middle East.

good the devs act like child now?

I'm not annoyed, but even if I was it wouldn't make a hoot of difference. The game runs smoothly for me if I clock back my GPU a little. As for the game itself nobody in My squad fly it online because of the issues and I'm a miserable antisocial sod so that leaves me with offline which is as dull as a wet monday with a tax accountant.

The forums area great place to watch grown men devolve into chimps and throw poo which is quite funny so I keep coming back but as for CoD I'm bored with it so don't play it any more. That is the sole reason why I cannot see myself supporting the series in the future. Surely we all have bought something in the past we didn't like and didn't buy another ? It doesn't have to be a grand gesture or malicious protest.

I'm sorry the successor to IL2 turned out this way (and I think it is fair to judge it for what it is now not what it 'might' be). The original game brought me countless hours of enjoyment and intoduced me to people who I'm now proud to call friends. It isn't going to finish me though, there are other sims and as long as there are paying customers I'm sure there will be others.

As for analysis its been said, at least x1000 from every conceivable angle so my input would be pretty much redundant I think. The only genuine mistake I think the devs made recently was the 'very shortly ' comment. It was their 'two weeks, be sure' moment. I read that several times and thought 'oh no'. On the plus side its fortunate that whoever said that doesn't work for the emergency services !

Indeed so it seems they can't take a negative comment; as it might hurt their feelings, yet they brought it all upon themselves and blame the community for the poor state of the product. As if they don't even care about it anymore and don't want to continue, well I say go right ahead! Don't release a beta patch, don't release a sequel, how about they just cancel the series entirely?

If I haven't missed a beat in the past year on this series then what is their to miss when it is cancelled entirely? It's almost like the devs deny they are in this terrible situation, holding the persistent belief that their product is actually good. I think they call that Insanity -

"Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

It is sad that Blacksix appears to cop all the flak, when it is entirely not his fault and the developer in charge is just as decieving to him as he is us. B6 is a victim of all of this, imo, if the devs have nothing more to say then what purpose does B6 serve anymore?

Pehaps this will explain why no Friday update.

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...postcount=1579

Seems we have errors on both sides.

Whiners driving the devs crazy . . . . . . . and the dev spoksperson not providing the information that the consumer is asking for.

It is nice to know what is happening regarding the next series . . . . . but the priority of concentration right now is for some information on the status of the patch. Not all the details, not necessarily when, but just how the progress is going.

We have a very good community base that is very interested in how work is progressing. Regrettably, not everyone is skilled in communications.

S!

Have to say that he is right... Dubai is UTC +4h!! ;)

Wow you live in Dubai ? I bet its nice there , must visit it some time .

It doesn't matter who is right and who is wrong, it an argument that can't be won. What matters is the size the argument has become. It's time for management to step up and put the community at ease.
I brought COD on release date for $105 Australian in good faith. If this mess is cleaned up I will buy BOM at release. If no I'll wait for the bargain bin price of $50 or less. A lose of over 50%.
There are so many bugs right now that a small patch each weak is not a big ask.

There is no such thing as a "small" patch. No matter what size it is, it still requires weeks, if not months of testing. Just changing one thing can have many unforeseen effects in other areas, so beta testing by a fairly large number of players, with different rigs and play styles is absolutely necessary.

Or perhaps you would prefer they just toss out "fixes" with no testing as it would give people more to argue and whine about?

Bull

Wow.

That is incredibly condescending.

Well, if that's true, then some of us can just stop supporting their product ;) Don't they realize the door swings both ways, and as mentioned earlier, no one "needs" their product, however, I dare say they do like their paychecks. Seriously, if you wanted to restore some confidence in the BOM add on and have people really excited about it, you would THINK you would release a patch that would solve graphical and other issues. This would SURELY induce more people to trust the BOM and buy it, I would, however, I won't buy it until and WHEN I know that the graphic problems, dust/clouds/particle effects are fixed, the CTD is fixed, etc. I could go on, but it seems what's the point.

Took the words right out of my mouth, and I'll tell you what, reading that little tidbit really left a sour taste. Don't expect my preorder or purchase until you straighten up the state of the game, period. Negative mood? This game has been out if not a year, well approaching a year. Most games I've played have had their issues worked out well before a year. I starting to think they don't know how to fix it, or don't have the ability to do so. Pure speculation, but this kind of attitude does nothing to build confidence in the product, and has created the "negative mood".